if the killers enter in the doors they get a bloodwarden, what do you think?

CoolAKn said:

@Terrortot said:
Only thing i would change is refreshing bloodwarden for each hook.  Its extremely situational, you cant play it without prep beforehand and its not guaranteed to happen.

If it refreshed, it could add some spice to matches, it would get used more.

I had a similar idea for Blood Warden. It triggers when an Exit Gate is opened (instead of a person hooked), and each survivor hooked while active adds time to it.

That would be interesting as well. Anything less situational and more planned.

@Rebel_Raven said:

@SenzuDuck said:
It's a pretty bad idea if I'm honest - if you're genuinely trying to escape and being chased by the killer and he enters the gate area you're locked in for no other reason apart from killers want more easy end game kills.

Maybe the Blood Warden kicks in after 3 seconds, or slightly longer than however it takes for a survivor to get out, accounting for if they get hit, or not?
Then the issue becomes if the survivor has to crawl out.
Maybe put an exemption so it only blocks healthy, and injured?

I don't know, I just don't think it's necessary - any gate-baiting survivors will usually leave if the killer walks into the gate/towards them in the gate, with this addition to killers base kit survivors will just leave anyway and I don't think it'll be helpful at that point.

That's overkill

@SenzuDuck said:

@Rebel_Raven said:

@SenzuDuck said:
It's a pretty bad idea if I'm honest - if you're genuinely trying to escape and being chased by the killer and he enters the gate area you're locked in for no other reason apart from killers want more easy end game kills.

Maybe the Blood Warden kicks in after 3 seconds, or slightly longer than however it takes for a survivor to get out, accounting for if they get hit, or not?
Then the issue becomes if the survivor has to crawl out.
Maybe put an exemption so it only blocks healthy, and injured?

I don't know, I just don't think it's necessary - any gate-baiting survivors will usually leave if the killer walks into the gate/towards them in the gate, with this addition to killers base kit survivors will just leave anyway and I don't think it'll be helpful at that point.

Sitting at the gate like that is pretty on the line of toxic, though.
It would be insanely helpful in getting the killer to the next game instead of forcing the killer to do a chaseout which is basically rubbing salt in the wounds.
There's not a whole lot of other ways to slice sitting at the gate that way. Doing it to taunt the killer -is- toxic, and frankly, it's hard to see it as anything but trying to taunt the killer.

It's not often for extra points because they'll often run before they even get hit. What ever good intents there may have been has long been corrupted.

The less the survivors can hold the game hostage, the better, and believe me, until you do the chase out, they will generally hold it hostage. Which, again, is pretty toxic.

This is a game where the killer is supposed to be feared. The Survivors are supposed to want to run out of the gate at some of the earliest opportunities, staying behind under -heavy risk- to be altruistic. Not to go snag a chest, not to get chased out a dozen seconds later, etc. Anything other than running, screaming for safety, or a massive risk towards altruism is basically unacceptable.

I dare say if not blood warden, then there needs to be a NOED, and Mori on someone staying in the gate too long. Or just getting thrown out into the survived screen.

Maybe extend it outside the gate a bit to help prevent people waiting just outside the gate.

I'm not sure you get what it says about the people sitting in the gate forcing a chase out.

SenzuDuck said:

@Rebel_Raven said:

@SenzuDuck said:
It's a pretty bad idea if I'm honest - if you're genuinely trying to escape and being chased by the killer and he enters the gate area you're locked in for no other reason apart from killers want more easy end game kills.

Maybe the Blood Warden kicks in after 3 seconds, or slightly longer than however it takes for a survivor to get out, accounting for if they get hit, or not?
Then the issue becomes if the survivor has to crawl out.
Maybe put an exemption so it only blocks healthy, and injured?

I don't know, I just don't think it's necessary - any gate-baiting survivors will usually leave if the killer walks into the gate/towards them in the gate, with this addition to killers base kit survivors will just leave anyway and I don't think it'll be helpful at that point.

Yes but it also means tea bagging jerks either leave or die

Is this a troll suggestion? 

If this were Bloodwarden's effect, it'd make the perk worth taking. As a default mechanic, no way.

May be if your terror radius covers the exit it is blocked off.
Exit stays blocked for 30/40/50 secs
I like my idea.

Or maybe it can just be dependant on terror radius therefore being reusable and really fun.

AshleyWB said:

Speaking of the gates being powered... What if they run out of power and they have to reset the breaker(or some technical thing) in order to repower the exit.
Power shouldn't last forever.

I‘ve been thinking about this, too. But what happens to the Survivors hanging out behind the gate?

SenzuDuck said:

@Rebel_Raven said:
Sitting at the gate like that is pretty on the line of toxic, though.

Stop - why is everything a survivor does toxic? Waiting in the gate to make sure everyone else is safe is not toxic at all, just quit it.

It would be insanely helpful in getting the killer to the next game instead of forcing the killer to do a chaseout which is basically rubbing salt in the wounds.

If someone is in the gate it's very easy to walk towards them to get them to exit. There has to be better ways to prevent hostage games than just "oh these survs wanted to make sure everyone was alive thats toxic and they should be trapped in the game because of that".

There's not a whole lot of other ways to slice sitting at the gate that way. Doing it to taunt the killer -is- toxic, and frankly, it's hard to see it as anything but trying to taunt the killer.

What's wrong with taunting the killer? The entire time a match is going on is spent wasting the killers time - if you're at a gate and the killer would rather stand there and chase you out you're allowing your other team mates to open the other door or find hatch, there is nothing bad about that, killers just want to moan - obviously.

It's not often for extra points because they'll often run before they even get hit. What ever good intents there may have been has long been corrupted.

Wasting the killers time is again one of the points of a survivor - so their team mates can get other stuff done, I don't see it as toxic.

The less the survivors can hold the game hostage, the better, and believe me, until you do the chase out, they will generally hold it hostage. Which, again, is pretty toxic.

Very rarely have I ever had someone spend more time in a match than it was necessary for them to find the hatch, this is once again a less than 5% thing that happens that people want op buffs for, just stop.

This is a game where the killer is supposed to be feared. The Survivors are supposed to want to run out of the gate at some of the earliest opportunities, staying behind under -heavy risk- to be altruistic. Not to go snag a chest, not to get chased out a dozen seconds later, etc. Anything other than running, screaming for safety, or a massive risk towards altruism is basically unacceptable.

I don't care if the killer is supposed to be feared, this is absolutely ridiculous - after someone has played 100/150+ hours it doesn't matter what the killer has, those players have seen everything and just wont fear it - stop expecting killers to be feared by players who have played a lot.

I dare say if not blood warden, then there needs to be a NOED, and Mori on someone staying in the gate too long. Or just getting thrown out into the survived screen.

Again - what's with the "staying in the gate" for too long thing? If you're honestly stood in the gate for three seconds waiting for a theoretical power to activate to benefit you, you could have spent those three seconds running towards the survivor and they would have left - it makes no sense at all.

Maybe extend it outside the gate a bit to help prevent people waiting just outside the gate.

Waiting for other players to be safe isn't something that should be punished tbh, just run towards the survivor. Stop thinking you deserve free kills because survivors are waiting for people to be safe, it's absolutely bonkers.

I'm not sure you get what it says about the people sitting in the gate forcing a chase out.

You want free abilities to activate just by you sitting there, why not instead of wasting time sitting there, just follow them out - problem solved.

And what about the people that are the last there and they just wont leave everyone else is either out or dead but there just standing in the gate refusing to leave this is aimed at them not the helpful ones so extend the time to 20-30 seconds more then enough time for them to be there and to make sure people get out safely if that times elapsed then that gates locked out for 10 seconds

SenzuDuck said:

@Rebel_Raven said:
Sitting at the gate like that is pretty on the line of toxic, though.

Stop - why is everything a survivor does toxic? Waiting in the gate to make sure everyone else is safe is not toxic at all, just quit it.

It would be insanely helpful in getting the killer to the next game instead of forcing the killer to do a chaseout which is basically rubbing salt in the wounds.

If someone is in the gate it's very easy to walk towards them to get them to exit. There has to be better ways to prevent hostage games than just "oh these survs wanted to make sure everyone was alive thats toxic and they should be trapped in the game because of that".

There's not a whole lot of other ways to slice sitting at the gate that way. Doing it to taunt the killer -is- toxic, and frankly, it's hard to see it as anything but trying to taunt the killer.

What's wrong with taunting the killer? The entire time a match is going on is spent wasting the killers time - if you're at a gate and the killer would rather stand there and chase you out you're allowing your other team mates to open the other door or find hatch, there is nothing bad about that, killers just want to moan - obviously.

It's not often for extra points because they'll often run before they even get hit. What ever good intents there may have been has long been corrupted.

Wasting the killers time is again one of the points of a survivor - so their team mates can get other stuff done, I don't see it as toxic.

The less the survivors can hold the game hostage, the better, and believe me, until you do the chase out, they will generally hold it hostage. Which, again, is pretty toxic.

Very rarely have I ever had someone spend more time in a match than it was necessary for them to find the hatch, this is once again a less than 5% thing that happens that people want op buffs for, just stop.

This is a game where the killer is supposed to be feared. The Survivors are supposed to want to run out of the gate at some of the earliest opportunities, staying behind under -heavy risk- to be altruistic. Not to go snag a chest, not to get chased out a dozen seconds later, etc. Anything other than running, screaming for safety, or a massive risk towards altruism is basically unacceptable.

I don't care if the killer is supposed to be feared, this is absolutely ridiculous - after someone has played 100/150+ hours it doesn't matter what the killer has, those players have seen everything and just wont fear it - stop expecting killers to be feared by players who have played a lot.

I dare say if not blood warden, then there needs to be a NOED, and Mori on someone staying in the gate too long. Or just getting thrown out into the survived screen.

Again - what's with the "staying in the gate" for too long thing? If you're honestly stood in the gate for three seconds waiting for a theoretical power to activate to benefit you, you could have spent those three seconds running towards the survivor and they would have left - it makes no sense at all.

Maybe extend it outside the gate a bit to help prevent people waiting just outside the gate.

Waiting for other players to be safe isn't something that should be punished tbh, just run towards the survivor. Stop thinking you deserve free kills because survivors are waiting for people to be safe, it's absolutely bonkers.

I'm not sure you get what it says about the people sitting in the gate forcing a chase out.

You want free abilities to activate just by you sitting there, why not instead of wasting time sitting there, just follow them out - problem solved.

No, you stop. I have a very brief list of toxic behavior from survivors, and it's certainly not even close to everything.

I have no problem when people stay at the gate to make sure everyone is out, but it's often not the case.
HOWEVER most of the time every remaining survivor is in the same gate waiting for the killer.
Can we not pretend this isn't common? Because it is common. 
Let's stop pretending I haven't given leeway for altruism. And it needs to be at risk.

The fear isn't from the killers in and of themselves that I'm looking for, it's what the killer can do to suddenly take away their escape.

The player of the killer is not some animal that you get to command to play tricks for you.
"Come chase me out! C'mon! Not leaving until you do!"

Taunting to rub in your victory is toxic. Holding the game hostage until someone performs a trick for you is toxic.

I have ######### looking for the hatch when the exit gates are open. I had some ######### basically flashlight blind me at the gate, run when I looked away, and ran around the map looking for the hatch that was 10 meters from the same gate. It took like 5 minutes for him to find it, and I told him where it was.
I can't even get rid of these people being nice!

I want the survivors booted out, against their will if need be, when it comes to this nonsense. 

How about we have a killer option for the end of the match that has a bass filled haunted voice say "GET OUT!" And every survivor automatically escapes? Full BP for the escape, too!
But all 5 gens and a gate just be open, or the last one is there and the hatch is an option?

@Peanits said:
I don't think so. I like those buttcheek clenching moments at the end of the game where a survivor is being chased and get caught inches from escaping. This would completely remove that. If the gates are powered and they're already there, the killer should not get a free kill just for showing up.

So why do survivors get a free escape just for showing up with a hatch? 3 kills and only 2 gens wasn't earned.

@redsopine1 said:
Blueberry said:

@Peanits said:

I don't think so. I like those buttcheek clenching moments at the end of the game where a survivor is being chased and get caught inches from escaping. This would completely remove that. If the gates are powered and they're already there, the killer should not get a free kill just for showing up.

So why do survivors get a free escape just for showing up with a hatch? 3 kills and only 2 gens wasn't earned.

If a teams played well and non jerk like and I wreck them and 3k and one does two alone if they find it before me they can have it if I chase and grab them poor luck but I give them plenty of wiggle time for it

That's assuming that one guy did all the gens himself

@Peanits said:
I don't think so. I like those buttcheek clenching moments at the end of the game where a survivor is being chased and get caught inches from escaping. This would completely remove that. If the gates are powered and they're already there, the killer should not get a free kill just for showing up.

Here's a massive flaw in that argument. If the killer isn't hot on your heels, or you're right on a survivor, there is no moment. At all. Even if you/they stay in the gate room. Even if you're/they're outside it in some cases.
Heck, if the killer doesn't want to even go to the gate, the moment is thoroughly gone.
Wanna know why? Because near the gate the killer has extremely little power, and some of us know it.

The gate room is absurdly safe if the survivors make it there without being chased, and maybe even being chased with an unusually large radius.
Consider all the ground you gain once you're hit into injured state.
The killer stops to wipe their blade, and loses bloodlust slowing down massively.
Meanwhile the Survivor is hauling ass.
The killer then has to catch back up to them, and hit them again before the survivor gets into range to flop, and crawl out while the killer wipes their blade again, then has to catch back up, and pick up the survivor. That is A LOT of slack.
Once you get a little over halfway through the gate room, you're pretty close to completely safe. Even if they instant down you, the survivor can flop a good distance, and crawl out, and the killer has barely finished wiping their blade.

Unless an instant down is used, a healthy survivor is basically %100 safe in the gate room. They can get hit, and cover the length of the room with their speed bust by the time the killer's done wiping their blade.

Small wonder the survivors taunt in the gate room. They know they're safe more often than not.
If the symbols for rancor, or NOED don't pop up, if the killer doesn't have an instant down, they're safe.
There's not a thing the killer can do to change that unless they have an instant down.
And, again, not even then if the survivors are savvy enough to stay near the border so they can flop, and crawl out. Not even an instant down can pose a threat.

SenzuDuck said:

It's a pretty bad idea if I'm honest - if you're genuinely trying to escape and being chased by the killer and he enters the gate area you're locked in for no other reason apart from killers want more easy end game kills.

There could be a timer. If a survivor has been in the exit gate area for let's say 30 seconds then whenever the killer walks in, it gets blocked for the specific survivor until they leave the exit gate area for 10 seconds.

Peanits said:

I don't think so. I like those buttcheek clenching moments at the end of the game where a survivor is being chased and get caught inches from escaping. This would completely remove that. If the gates are powered and they're already there, the killer should not get a free kill just for showing up.

That’s the thing. There are no such moments. If a survivor is healthy an gets hit in a pretty large area even outside of the actual gate area, he bolts and gets a free escape. If a killer manages to down someone „inches from escaping“ that someone just crawls out while the killer is stuck in animation. There is nothing a killer can do. The killers are not asking for a free kill as you insinuated (although it is noteworthy that granting a survivor a free hatch escape is apparently no problem?). I would, however, like to either have an actual chance of hooking someone or just move on to the next game. If the gates are open and the survivors are there I know that I lost. No need to rub it in. Why do I have to spend time chasing them out and being taunted?