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Slugging for the 4k is Unhealthy
Ever since Endgame Collapse has appeared, there has been a rampant rise in slugging in order to get a 4k. I personally believe this to be unhealthy as you are basically holding the game hostage and artificially extending its duration.
Killers are also complaining about the abuse of keys, yet they themselves are (probably) actually forcing Survivors to bring them to dodge this "strategy".
Force out the Survivor by hunting the hatch and closing it. They'll fairly reliably go for the two objective points. It also makes the game better for everyone.
And yes I play killer. Pig, Myers, Spirit and Doctor. 3/4 that I play are not mobility killers.
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On the contrary to my experience. Slugging considerably decreased. I used to get slugged literally every single game when I was one of the two survivors alive. Now I encounter slugging killers rarely. Some of them only slug till they find the hatch for themselves, most don't care and just hook the 3rd one.
I don't understand do you slug as killer or not? If you are it is your business, your play style.
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I'll always slug for a 4K, not giving up my points! However, if I can't find them within about a minute, I just hook the 3rd guy and hope for the best.
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The last survivor should just give themselves up when the 3rd person is slugged since they technically failed their objective.
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Not holding the game hostage.
Report me for slugging then, oh wait.
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It's not holding the game hostage, but it is boring as ######### as survivor. As a killer i slug only if i see the 4th in my line of sight, otherwise hook and go
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I dont see point on wasting my own time for couple thousand bp. Only time I slug is when last survivor has been toxic and give the slugged one hatch.
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I always slug. Survivors deserve to suffer 😈
You genrushed me? Ok kiss the ground now
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A lot of people forget that slugging is not only boring for the survivor, it's also boring for the killer.
So why do killers still do it, even when it's boring? Because it makes a big difference in Emblem points and bloodpoints whether you get a 3k or a 4k.
What is the obvious solution? Give killers more points for a 3k.
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i say gen rushing is unhealthy what a about that.
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Most of the time, it's the other way around. I've had a team wiped super quickly and the other person gets slugged.
And it certainly feels like it. You are actively holding up the game.
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I never said it wasn't. I think one-sided slaughters are unhealthy, but they still happen.
I think that tunnelling and camping are unhealthy. People still do it.
This, though, is an issue that is a simple change by a few people.
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It's hard to fight my sweaty killer main instincts.
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Slugging for a 4k is not unhealthy. It also isn't holding the game hostage.
Slugging for the 4k is necessary to avoid the broken hatch mechanic. The emblem system also punishes you if you don't.
You wanna talk unhealthy? Leaving your teammmate on the ground to bleed out why you sit in the corner of the map by the hatch waiting for him to die.
The "boring" response about being slugged just doesn't make sense either. Whether you are sitting on the ground or sitting on the hook, either way you are doing nothing. At least with slugging you can try and crawl away and possibly get up without costing you one of your hooks. You also have multiple anti slug perks available.
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that's better. but i mean what can we do about that? Nothing lol
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Killers goal is to sacrifice ALL the survivors. Many killers don't care but the ones that do are called 'sweaty' or 'try-hard' or worse for attempting to complete their objective.
Reverse it. Generators are done and killer hooks someone. Most survivors 99% the exit gates and go back to save the survivor. They are artificially extending the game to deny the killer their objective.
Haven't heard anyone complain about that. Some survivors leave but most at least attempt to get everyone out.
There's no difference between a killer trying to secure a 4k and survivors trying to get everyone out.
Only difference is survivors don't think it's fun to crawl around on the floor.
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That's cute. You think that I'm the one getting slugged. 99% of the time, the killer has never seen me when they do this.
And the hatch mechanic was more broken before.
It's also kinda hard to heal the poor slugged victim when killers patrol their bait.
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I only slug if I can see the last survivor is nearby. Only other time I slug is if you've been really toxic.
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I'm referencing "You" as a general term to all people who have an issue with slugging for the 4k. Your, "That's cute" to be sarcastically demeaning is quite unnecessary. You can make a rational argument without it.
"And the hatch mechanic was more broken before."
No one has argued that it wasn't more broken before. We are simply saying it is still broken now. It can be less broken and still be broken at the same time.
"It's also kinda hard to heal the poor slugged victim when killers patrol their bait."
And then you are left to freely finish gens with no interruptions whatsoever and escape.
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i usually just dc if i get slugged. it's not worth the time to lay on the ground watching the other guy t bagging from the other side of the map waiting for me to bleed out
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think some people are trying to stretch the meaning of "holding a game hostage" this applies to things like trapping a survivor in the corner where the game cannot actually be ended. Anything within the end game collapse is fine it has a timer anyways ending the game regardless of what your doing.
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This discussion was already done a few hours ago:
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so a killer isnt supposed to want to kill everyone...? Also If i use something like survivor pudding you can bet im gonna kill everyone. Also the devs have talked about this holding the game hostage is only if you trap a survivor in the corner and refuse to move. If you ask me they should follow the system of their other game when you have 1 survivor left deathgarden.
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Killers can opem a 99'd gate.
And a lot of my discussions are Killer favoured.
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Killer is meant to EARN their kills.
If we could all just stop usig cheap tactics that take no skill, the game would be in a better place.
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I don't slug the 2nd last survivor anymore unless I know exactly where the location of the last survivor is. It's super boring when you are killer and super boring when you are survivor.
Sure, it means sometimes the last survivor escapes through the hatch, but if the game gets to that point it means I've won anyways. It's a much better use of my time to just take the coin flip of the hatch and go to the next game.
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SO if ive utterly destroyed you guys hooked each of you all 3 of the times (except for the last 2 obviously) and you still have a few gens left (like 3) and i down the other survivor you think i should just kill them on the hook and let you get the potential of a free win even though you didnt do literally anything towards your objective? No i did a good job im gonna down that survivor and hunt you down and if your hiding on the hatch thats good because you didnt deserve it anyway.
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Slugging is like a hook state that takes 30 seconds to save someone from (as if they ever recover) and doesn't give you WGLF stacks or use of any of your perks, and you can't even end it early to move on to the next match.
Also it penalizes the killer since they're not actually hooking a survivor so they miss out on sacrifice points.
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Theyre talking about downing the survivor then killing the other survivor so they dont get the hatch then coming back and hooking the downed player for a 4k.
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So, you're gonna punish ME for being randomly assigned potatoes? Wow.
I work for my place in this game. I do generators, I go for unhooks. I do everything I can for the team. If the other 3 idiots don't know how to work a generator for once, that's not MY fault and I shouldn't be punished for it because "buh, muh fer keh"
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That's not the Killer's problem and he has no obligation to make it up to you.
Take it up with BHVR's matchmaking system
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besides if youve seen the posts ive posted on other things about how i play killer most of the time i will let the last survivor go anyway the only time i go for a 4k is if your a SWF who have been ######### to me all game or toxic survivors im killing all of you because your being a jerk as well so why should i let you go? Also the archives doesnt help either because you need to get those challenges done. And the last time i got a true 4k was for evil incarnate on MM.
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This is a sentiment I can agree with. Slug to try to get the 4k. But not wasting a bunch of time on it.
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Right which effectively gives them what I described: an extra hook state that lasts for 3 minutes and give survivors nothing for the rescue, while also being more difficult to rescue people from even in the best case scenario (they've recovered at all)
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Point is that the killer is punishing me for something BHVR did. Not me.
I'm not saying the killer has an obligation, I'm telling everyone to maybe reconsider using some braindead method of getting me, since normal gameplay meant that they could never find me.
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Well why should the killer have to give up points because YOUR teammates were bad hence punishing the killer out of BP that they earned. If you hate potatoes play in a 4 man I play with a friend as a duo and we get plenty of potatoes never raged at the killer like it was their fault for my team dweeting it up.
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U-N-B-R-E-A-K-A-B-L-E and adrenaline to.
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I just crawl to the exit gate with unbreakable or wait with adrenaline at it so when they close the hatch i instantly get up and start opening the gate then its a 50/50 chance of which gate they check which so far ive been pretty lucky.
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That would be a good idea. If the killer went for the hatch at all.
Or if I was the slugged one.
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Also if the killer slugged the person and is looking for you that means they arent guarding that survivor then why dont you go over and heal them thats what i do when the killer goes slug mode for the 4k. If im the one hes hunting for.
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Ummmmm. I do. It's called patrolling.
You balance hunting the last person and watching the slugged one.
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You’re wrong, keep reading ^^
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Unbreakable works once per trial, and is basically Deliverance (better than, for obvious reasons of not needing an activation condition)
Adrenaline helps you in the scenario where the killer closes the hatch before hooking you, which most will if they happen across it for the sweet sweet extra BP
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I often slug the third surviror in order to chase the 4th, but only if i know where the 4th is.
Also the whole "holding the game hostage, it takes longer" i'm calling bullshit on. 90% of the games where survivors get the exit gate open, they will sit for the entire endgame timer at the exit waiting for the killer so they can t-bag and run through at the last second. So i get the feeling the vast majority of survivors are fine with wasting time.
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It's 6 forum pages, currently 1am where I am and everyone's already made it clear that I'm just a salty survivor that needs to "git gud" rather than giving me actual points to consider.
Unbreakable and Adrenaline CAN'T help since I'm not the downed one, and the hatch never comes into play
Healing my teammate is impossible since the killer patrols the downed person like we've 3-Gen'd ourselves or somehow knows where I am within 20 seconds of the initial hit.
I don't bring items generally, let alone keys, so I can't just open the hatch. Especially not in a 5-Gen slaughtering. Not that anyone's tried that one, but still.
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I slug and I will always slug for a 4k. Why should I suffer because survivors failed thier objective. My objective is to sacrifice them to the entity and I will do that by slugging, camping, tunneling and what ever else I have to do to get it.
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I've already debunked this point. Killers can open a gate. As for teabagging, I have my own problems that I'll be addressing in other discussions.
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Then you are part of the breakdown and collapse of this community. No nice way of putting it.
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Yeah well i feel the hatch itself isnt exactly a favored system since it basically tells a survivor "hey your getting absolutely destroyed you havent done any of the gens but just jump in me and you survive the killer may have done a amazing job and was fair but screw that you need this free win".
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you don’t have to read it right now, but, if this topic interests you, just know that there are arguments for both sides in that thread, this is a duplicate.
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