Do you want to know why killers camp and tunnel?
Fire up a game with Nurse, I hated her at first, but I am starting to get decent with her. Just hit rank 10 killer and did well against a team of purples. Fire up a match, find a survivor and down them, throw him on the hook and I look around to see three of his buddies, so clearly SWF. I get a couple of hits, they unhook and have borrowed time. I down one near a pallet, I look around, see no one, pick him up....pallet stun... I chase him down, drop him again, look around, no one, picked up, instantly blinded by a flashlight. Then I get head on'd out of a locker.
I finally down another one, camp him a bit, but borrowed time. I down another one, look at a wall when I pick him up, but in a move that makes no logical sense, I get blinded yet again, even though I can't even SEE the survivor that did it. I see a guy go into a locker, try to bait out of head on, but nope, get stunned. Blinded a few more times, all gens done, they're FOLLOWING ME, trying to get me to down one so they can flashlight save. I open the door myself to start the timer and sit back, not going to play their game any more.
Two rank 4's, two rank 5's.
Next game, I facecamped the living crap out of the survivors, because I was pissed off. Do I care about depip? Hell no, it's rank reset.
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So... You took your frustrations on people that have done nothing wrong to you? How mature.
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Absolutely, because they were trying flashlight saves too. Oh, the game after that, everyone was running a flashlight, so I used franklins to screw their day up., The point here is there are too many tools for survivors to be bullies, which is idiotic in a horror game. Then there's the fact that a level 10 should NOT, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES be going against red ranks. Someone like me is only going to take so much BS before dealing it back out.
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You could also say that the survivors' behaviour from the OP's first game wasn't mature. Nobody did anything against the rules, neither the survivors nor the OP.
It isn't realistic to expect that a player will just swallow such a high amount of frustration. Some kinds of gameplay fuel some other types of gameplay. It's a cycle.
Btw @JC316 If you see 2+ flashlights in your lobby, try Lightborn. I often get free hits & downs because survivors keep standing in front of me too long, still trying to blind me.
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The police are en route to arrest him/her for pixel abuse.
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If you have anger problems you shouldn't play killer.
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His/her therapist is en route to confirm your internet diagnosis.
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Its amazing how playing killer makes you feel like more of a victim than playing survivor.
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I've had these frustrating games as well.. You clearly faced a bully squad which just saps out the enjoyment from the game, especially if they are actually competent. I'd tell you to play around that - e.g. the blinding radius is around 180 degrees, so even if you are facing a wall, unless you bury your face in it, a good survivor will sometimes still be able to find an angle to blind you. Therefore if in doubt, leave the person slugged for as long as it takes to find the guy waiting for the save, or just leave them and go for the guy doing a gen. Most of that comes down to gamesense and experience, so you'll eventually figure it out on your own. Like others have said, lightborn and franklins are good substitutes if you just don't want to deal with it and cant be bothered with counterplay.
I just want to point out my opinion that flashlight blinds and saves are not toxic.. It's the matter in which people use them that could become toxic (i.e. what the first team did to you). In general I look at flashlight saves the same way as slugging - if the opportunity presents itself and you can get an angle on the killer, or you see another target next to your slug, you have to go for it.. It's free map pressure. If it works, it could win you the game on either side, which is OK, as long as you don't use it to BM the other team..
The only thing that I didn't like about your post is that you took out your frustrations on the next team(s) you faced. Arguably those guys did nothing to you.. at least that wasn't clear from your post. Those bully squads are so rare.. most people are playing just to have a good time - same as you. Did facecapming random people, just because you were still angry at the previous squad make you feel better? I hope not man, because that's a bit twisted. I get a little concerned when I think about what this game does to decent people (like you seem to be) and causes them to start stooping down to others' toxicity levels.
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At that point it's time to slug everyone. You don't want to be picked up? That's fine, you can all enjoy 4 minutes on the floor together.
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You are aware about the rift challenge where a survivor has to blind the killer while he's carrying a survivor?
Also when I play killer I'd rather see 4 flashlights than 2 toolboxes. Flashlights have easy counter and you can even bait them if you fake to pick up a survivor or just check before picking up if someone is near. You'll most likely get easy hits. Flashlights themself are nothing toxic. Just learn how to efficiently play against a group of flashlight users. Because it is different than playing against toolbox users who just rush gens.
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I do think it’s your game, just do whatever you want if you have fun.
I do tunnel if the survivor is the closest one to me and patrol camp if I noted that other survivors are around the hooked. I just won’t face camp as it is too boring.
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I think you totally miss the point here. Frustrations? It's a game and the news is they can "light save" because it's part of game mechanics. If you don't like it #playsomethingelse or get a better killer. Tunneling and camping don't make you a good killer, also relaying on pink and purple addons. All you need is apply more strategy and pressure on the map and you can easily bring your 4k at home.
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The flashlight saves are not helped due to the archive challenges about them. As someone who has never yet managed to blind a killer, don’t fear my ineffectual Poundland torch 🤣
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Take a break.You
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So you're saying killers camp out of angry spite because of their lack of skill? Sounds about right.
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It's the only way to play killer whilst keeping your sanity!
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I mean in an SWF situation where they keep getting the save when you pick someone up, I feel like the logical answer would be to just slug... They're not gonna let their guy die on the ground so they're going to force themselves into the open or wherever the slug is to get the save and you can definitely get some free hits
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Imagine thinking the opposite party is a bully for simply using tools the game explicitly allows you to use.
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I wonder how many survivor mains would say something similar to that about moris.
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Ah yes a map with god loop/infinites, stacked 4 man SWF, DS Dead Hard BT and Adrenaline with 2 BnP commodious toolbox, rainbow map and a skeleton key. Just tools the game explicitly allows you to use.
How about NOED, Mori's, iri hatchets, black incense, etc.? Just tools the game explicitly allows you to use right lol surely you would say the same thing about these as well right lol. Right?
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So people playing the game get punished for your immature frustration. Do you think youre suited for playing multiplayer games? Obviously not.
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4 man SWF with full meta build, god loops, infinites, 2 commodious toolbox with BnPs, rainbow map, skeleton key are just tools the game explicitly allows you to use
What about NOED, iri hatchet heads, mori's, black incense? These are all just tools the game explicitly allows you to use as well right
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It's always odd to see survivors that go out of their way to anger the killer, then wonder why the killer responds in kind.
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Because they are bad?
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@Xerge
I don't know but I can tell you I don't see them posting on these forums.
Moris as much as they can cut the game in half, they don't bother me. It makes the match more challenging because you basically have 1 hook per survivor.
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Killers have just as much tools to ruin survivor games.
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Frustrating situation, we all go through it as some point.
Though, this post raises an actual concern. Survivors being able to blind you way outside of your field of view. How many times have I littterally hugged the wall, and still got blinded, even though I saw nothing but the wall and my weapon.
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Do you want to know why survivors run DS bt Unbreakable?
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I agree with you except the first point. Nothing in the account of the facts leads me to believe that the survivors in the first game acted immaturely. It looks more like a mixture of inexperience of the killer and unbalanced matchmaking (the latter is hardly breaking news). If you hook your first survivor and see the other 3 by the hook, you should start licking your chops, because they're handing you the win on a platter. It doesn't matter if they're swf seal team 6, they're playing the worst strategy possible. Pallet and flashlight rescues are killer mistakes, not game design faults.
I understand venting frustration, we've all been there. However, after the op did that in game, they carried that attitude to the forum with a mixture of whining and gloating. At no point they asked "what could I have done better?" It's all the game's and the survivors' fault according to the op.
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By how things were written out. OP seems to have taken his rage on another different group of survivors. Still, I don't honestly see how trying to flashlight save is seen as toxic... it's a huge for survivors as long as you have awareness of your surroundings.
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Probably challenges for the flashlight blinds or flashlight blind a killer while carrying a survivor.
Either way you could of baited out the pallet stun or flashlight stun by standing over the survivor for a moment and getting a free hit.
Camping and tunneling won't help you improve as a killer. While I understand your frustrations for that game prior. Bring a Ebony Mori instead least survivors get a chance to play a game instead of chilling on the hook all game. While I normally don't like Mori's I would rather play a game then play hook simulator.
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Killers have hard lives, we need catharsis.
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Every time I play killer I'm r20 going against red ranks.I just gave up on trying to play killer
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If you suspect your going up against a SWF, bring in an Ebony Mori. Once I max out all my killers, I’ll will farm as many moris I could.
Im a potato killer so I’ll never be able to compete with an optimal SWF. If they’re not toxic, I’ll play normally and have fun. For the most part, I’m happy if I get 1-2 kills. I also enjoy farming with the last two survivors, though I’m learning some survivors get so triggered when I suggest we farm, so I’m cutting that behavior down. It’s nice to just have fun playing a game.
The problem is with the sweaty and toxic players. They’re only wanting to have fun at the expense of their opponents. If I see store bought cosmetics and a streamers tag attached to a player name, I’m bringing in NOED(who am I kidding, I’m so bad that I need it)and a Mori. I’ll play nice at first, if I see a flashlight clicking, tbagging turd trying to get my attention, I’ll completely ignore them. Sometimes I’ll do a little dance and twirl and then leave them. I feel like that aggravates them more than anything else I could do. If they’re all sweaty and pro loopers, I’ll tunnel the weakest link. The faster I get rid of a survivor, the easier it is to kill the left overs.
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I mean, sorta?
I don't like moris or keys, but that doesn't mean I'll whine at players for using them. They're in the game and even if I disagree with them being in the game in their current forms, it's silly to grow hostile towards the players themselves for using them.
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Lol this!
Playing killer is a thankless role. You gotta be able to laugh off the small stuff and keep your chin up. Killer isn't easy (at purple and up that is).
As hard as the killer life can be, that shouldn't make you feel like you need punish other players or take your frustrations out on them.
If you are ever playing a game to make peoples life miserable because 'someone made you missrable' that is very the definition of toxic.
Killers camp and tunnel because its a game and can be effective in turning a match in their favor... People who set out to camp and tunnel to make people's game experience miserable are just jerks.
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Yeah, I think thats more of an issue with the player than the role. I play killer all the time and generally enjoy it. Win or lose. I think more people just need to learn how to take a loss.
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Be a better example. This community creates its own toxicity which then feeds into further toxicity. Break the cycle, and be better. Goes for both survivor and killer, cause it takes both sides to make the game fun for all.
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Whenever I play nurse I facecamp or hardcamp every survivor. She's so unfun with the cooldown. If nobody cares at BHVR for ruining her fun, then I certainly don't care.
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To the people telling me I have anger issues, Ghandi would have broken a keyboard over someones head after that match. You think I didn't try slugging? In the two minutes it takes to down another survivor, the other one is instantly up. Had I been playing Meyers, Bubba, or Billy, this would have been a different conversation. Even if I was running NOED, I would have fought harder.
So basically the flashlight can blind you outside of the killers FOV, and no one sees a problem with this? Those saves are basically instadowns, imagine the CRYING from survivors if every killer had the option for an instadown.
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The real reason killers camp and tunnel:
Because it works, and even then, camping only works if survivors let it work.
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Well, there is a challenge, wich I haven't finished. I literally loss 15 flashlights (yes, I am bad with them, that's why I never use them).
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This wasn't about a challenge, I can spot those easily enough and I usually play along. With was about toxic bullies.
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Nah, it's expected these days. I just punish them by equipping OoO and having my fun with them.
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It's like letting toxic people that will keep on being toxic every other game, ruin your day and your match. Honestly you should play normally, so you get all of them or at least try to. If you camp a person and tunnel, that would save the toxic swf a lot of time to gen rush and escape. Keep pressure on them, on the map, play aggressively, if you could secure a kill that is devastating for them, go for it. No need to get mad or stuff, there are 7 billion people on this planet, you could assume lots of them are toxic and horrible in general. If you get unlucky and face them, you must remember that you should keep looking for your interest and you should keep ignoring them. They will get more frustrated if you actually win and gg them in the end. Neither camping nor tunneling will convince them to stop being toxic, nothing will. So focus on your goal.
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I will let my friends bleed because if a killer slugs, we're smart enough to know you gremlins(lighthearted) are around. I'll only go for them when they're one tapped and im full health or someone else is being chased
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I agree a lot of survivors play this game very immaturely. It’s suppose to be a horror game but most of them run around like they’re playing GTA instead. However, you’re only fueling the issue if you take your frustration out on the next set of survivors for last match ones actions. The mind set well if they’re going to act that way I’ll act this way only fuels the stupidity in the game.
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Yeah, I can understand. It is tough being a killer that has to deal with the far-to-common 4 man SWF group.
But I do agree with some people on here. Being toxic back just makes survivors want to be more toxic. Then you want to be more toxic, and it just creates a circle of toxicity.
I will also say that good on you for playing nurse. I just started to learn her, and i have always thought this, and I will say it now, she is truly difficult.
I hope that the game doesn't keep giving you swf at red ranks.
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What I gathered from the OP is that you had a bad match and then took out your frustrations on a completely different team that didn't do anything to you. I can't stop you from camping and tunneling if you want (I won't even try to), although that's a very flimsy reason at best.
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He shouldn't play survivor too, imagine him getting tunneled or facecamped few times in a row !
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