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Why LGBT is so important?
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You are indeed wrong. Nurse has been said to have a husband and Frank and Julie (Legion) have an extensive lore that's literally all about their relationship and how it was a driving force behind the Legion, just to name the biggest examples. Neither received any complaints.
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It's usually just for brownie points. It's good PR too. A majority of companies don't care, ask them about the middle east and what they're doing for pride month there, you'll see just how much they really care. On one hand they get attacked for not celebrating it but on the other people will still get mad if they do embrace it. It's a lose-lose scenario and the best way to play it is to just go with what ever hurts less. Companies have no beliefs, they believe in money. Pride month has really become nothing more than a giant shill that people want to be out raged about. Whether they think that one person is being too much of this or another one isn't enough of this. It doesn't have any impact anymore. People don't care about it. All they think is "oh yeah it's gay month." as Walmart tells you how much they love LGBT now that it's time to love LGBT. I see it a lot like Black History Month. Why restrain it to a single month? If you're trying to bring change and inform people why do it only for 1 month? Present it in a digestable way and make change through action. Show everyone that we're just normal people who want to live our lives like everyone else.
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It's only a short jump between the two. And look at the context of his last paragraph. It's clear what he was saying about me. I simply pointed out his error in logic. By your logic, if I said someone was coming off as autistic I wouldn't be in any hot water because I didn't call them autistic.
This is the problem when people start playing words games.
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Nobody attacked BHVR before they started celebrating it, though. It was only when they started celebrating it that they were attacked.
The idea behind months and holidays is that they provide a time frame to focus on one issue at a time. It's more digestible to focus on one thing at a time instead of being bombarded with every topic year-round 24/7.
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A short jump, sure, but a jump nonetheless. When I'm coming off as rude, I expect my friends and family to point out that I'm coming off as rude because I'm not always the best judge of that. The same goes for coming off as racist, sexist, homophobic (yes, LGBT people can come off as homophobic too!), and so on.
It's not a word game, it's someone informing you that your point didn't come across correctly.
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I don’t think it is that important but it would be a good choice for them. (I am gay btw)
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Indeed. For the record, we already have at least one LGBT character, according to the devs, they're just gonna "out" who it is.
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Well then that's your opinion. Nowhere did I say anything that could be twisted as bigoted. It's another case of if I can't win an argument, I'll attack the person saying it. People looking for ######### that isn't there to fill a narrative.
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I didn’t read each comment so I can’t speak for others. Starting off by saying any kind of hate towards people who are gay is not right, although everyone is entitled to their disagreement with it due to religion or whatever. Obviously a lot of people would be mad if someone was creating threads about excluding gay content from the game, but I’m sure the people who say they are “seething with resentment” would be quick to attack them, call them names, etc.
Not sure who you directed your specific post to, but I’ll address the second to last paragraph. I don’t think anyone (at least not me) is saying BHVR will get rich by adding gay content, just that adding said content is for monetary gain - not because it’s important to be inclusive.
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That's how I read their statement and that's how it is the majority of the time. Just because you say something with a certain intention doesn't mean everyone will pick up on your intention. It's a very common phenomenon; you wouldn't believe the number of times I've come across as homophobic to my boyfriend.
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Monetary gain and being inclusive are not mutually exclusive goals. You can do both.
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If that's true wouldn't the onus be on them to confirm what someone is saying before launching accusations.
In this case I can look at every post he's put on this thread to see he's a race baiter who criticized me and other for trying to stay on topic.
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The way I read it, they didn't accuse you of anything, they simply said you were coming across in a certain way.
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It is so weird to me that you would question their motives. What monetary gain?! "Our new killer is so gay!! Buy them now for just $5.99!"
I see a ton of gamers who seem to resent the inclusion of LGBT stuff in games. If anything, publishers probably lose money because of it.
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🤦 I refer you to my previous post with the autism example. It's such a cop out of a statement. "I'm not calling you a racist but you are acting racist." It's like when he said there was a conspicuous lack of BLM support from bhvr. He wasn't calling bhrv openly racist, but he was implying they don't care about the black community. I actually prefer if he just came out and said what he thought instead of playing word games.
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According to many people, "get woke, go broke" is a thing, so either publishers lose money by adding nontroversies, or the slogan is 100% fake. You can probably guess which one I think it is.
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Exactly. It just needs to happen naturally, not become an agenda with a million threads claiming why it’s important. One or two were cool but it’s becoming a repetitive back and forth affair.
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And I refer you to my reply to that post. Believe me, if someone wants to call you a bigot, they'll just call you a bigot.
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Lol you just love forcing that victim Narrative on black folks don't you? But continue with your unchecked biases, I find it quite funny that the person who I initially engaged with in this forum is correcting you for trying to make me look morally shallow.
Again I never said anything about being a victim. I didn't paint myself in anyway at all, I was staying a case for equity, and I don't know from my last post how you could even get that unless you already see all black folks as "pulling the race card" or "playing victim" Well mr. Scholarship, congrats for trying to upset me, but I'd hate to be accused of being an angry black man so I'll just leave this conversation before I allow myself to say something you can compartmentalize in your little black box.
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I did mention monetary gain being the “primary goal” in one of posts, I understand both can be achieved simultaneously.
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You didn't read the OP, did you? OP didn't even provide an answer to the question, it's a thread for discussing the subject. For the record, there have been way more threads complaining about this than supporting it. I would know, I posted in pretty much every single one.
It already happened naturally. There's at least one LGBT character already in the roster, according to the devs, whom they're going to "out". Note how nobody even noticed.
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And risk getting flagged. I don't think they would
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I find it quite funny that the person who I initially engaged with in this forum is correcting you for trying to make me look morally shallow.
I am unbiased, despite what some people may believe and/or say.
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I know they would because I've seen it happen.
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Well, I may not agree with everything you say, but I can always respect intellectual honesty.
And as far as this topic goes, it's not even really about this game. I'm succumbing to the same madness most of us are in quarantine times and the building tensions, be they race or otherwise related, have been getting to me from both sides. I don't and never would begrudge a gay character in any media , I would hope that goes without saying, and if they want to make a specifically gay character, so be it, all for it..... So long as it isn't SpringTrap.
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I’m not questioning BHVR’s motives. Please re-read the context and what I’m replying to then come back if you have a question.
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Lol you don't make sense. You keep talking about this victim card. I accused you of playing the race card. I didn't realize that when you accused people of putting blacks on the back burner (your words, not mine) or that there is historical oppression that you were not insinuating black issues get the short end of the stick. 🙄
Now I am officially saying you are trying to play the victim.
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I forgot about nurse's history and I didnt know about frank and julie; but even then, thats a fairly small number considering the number of characters in the game.
And really, people, I think its called "shipping" others, fans fabricating relationships between characters, irritate me. A horror survival game seems like a place where focusing on relationships isn't really important one way or the other.
But I dont know. I dont really care one way or the other either, it just seems strange to me.
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He asked the question “What do you think guys, why LGBT is so important for the devs...?”
I just replying that I don’t think they have a personal investment in pushing an LGBT agenda, just that they can make money off of a demographic so of course it’s important in that sense.
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I find it much stranger that people who don't even read or care about the lore are so up in arms about something that will be put in the lore that they claim not to care about nor read. For the record, I'm not talking about you, since you seem pretty chill about this.
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There is no agenda being pushed, just more lore being added with fewer self-imposed restrictions.
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Lol Jesus dude, you just couldn't help yourself. None of that is a quote from me.
The true irony here is the fact you "Hijacked" this whole thread to show me, Mr. Anti-gay, in order to again, and allow me to quote myself for you, show how "morally shallow" I am. At no point was that the premise of this thread, and you merely misappropriated my argument to fit yours, again a point which I made about a month ago amidst this unstable political climate at a time when these struggles were getting their 15 minutes of shine.
I wonder if you go onto reddit feminist posts just to say things like "Get over it ladies, men have it bad too, stop playing the victim card".
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No you don't? Oh, that treatment is reserved only for minorities you have an obvious inborn bias against? Again dude, you keep bringing up things like victim card and now race card into this thread (btw, cool it with that race card #########, we'll see who gets banned when you make accusations like that. Frankly I don't care but someone who does will likely point that out to site staff)
I see only some issues are deemed worthy of speaking about obviously from your very quotable post up there. Why don't you take a breather before you post again and think about what you're saying and how you look before you accuse anyone of anything. Can't change anyone but yourself, after all.
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Spot on. This game isn’t improved in any way by adding heterosexual or homosexual relationships to the lore or future characters. Hopefully the devs put more thought into future perks and making them fun and good rather than backstory of a new character and their sexual orientation.
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And I find no issue with that in itself.
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Well thank you. I try to be. I'm right leaning on some issues and left leaning on others, which means I tend to piss off both my liberal and conservative friends and family, but really, I'm more apathetic than anything.
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Look up your own posts on page 2 of this thread. You accused people of putting blacks on the back burner. I also never accused you of being anti-gay so quit with the straw man tactics.
You brought up black people first and was the first to accuse people of ignoring black issues and then criticized those who showed you that your comments belonged in a different thread. That is playing the race card.
You also have yet to show me where I have displayed any bias. You get out of here with this inborn bias crap.
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My bad, page 3
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Honestly? That's why I don't care very much...
I'm only vaguely interested in lore, and I don't see an issue with characters being LGBT. I just don't like when it's the sole focus of an entire character's being. So it's more about whether they can write compelling characters lol.
If they're gonna work towards this, I just hope they can maintain the balance of representation, while keeping real-world stuff from becoming overbearing for the people who just want to play a multiplayer horror game. That balance seems to be difficult for many studios...
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Fortunately, the devs have already given us an answer to that question, in a way. One of the characters already present in the roster is LGBT. Can you guess which one?
PS: Nobody likes one-dimensional characters, whatever their trait may be. I don't understand why this is brought up so often when it comes to LGBT characters when nobody likes those characters. However, we have had one-dimensional characters brought to DbD before and nobody raised any issues...
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And if you looked at anything other than that post, you will see why I made that post, the conclusion to that conversation, and my view as to why it was unfair to specifically go out of your way to express sympathy and support for one marginalized group vs. another. It was short sighted in one way, but in another I think it's short sided that no post was ever made in regards to BLM when basically every insincere corporation is posting a black square. I took issue with that and only that, and to call that out as being a race carder or playing victim instead of simply aknowledgeding that, you chose to be negative and imply me as a race baiting victim card leveraging
You brought that conversation back up to play moral police, that is what you did, don't deny it. This conversation between us didn't display any of what you remarked on, and further more you continue to place the onus on me to respond to the topic of the thread from a previous conversation that didn't involve you, just so you could take away from my message the context and point I was making.
So again, really think about what you're doing here, think if it makes any sense to continue this conversation that only makes you come off as more shallow, and throw in a few more vaguely racist ad-hominm for good measure. Or stop and go be a better person than you are in this second. Your choice.
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No one stopped you from making a thread about BLM. Feel free to do so. If you wanted a personal conversation with @Orion then you should have said so. Don't post something and expect no one to respond.
Its clear I'm talking to a wall. Anytime anyone questioned one of your posts you accused them of racism or at the very least of not caring about black issues. By definition you are using the race card to try and further your views.
You also keep saying I'm trying to bethe morality police. If you came to a forum for morality you came to the wrong place. I don't care about your morals. This all started because I told you why BLM wasn't being talked about in a thread about LGBTQ.
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Again, what you are saying is so dumb. Everybody should care. Everybody should be making an effort to lift up the marginalized and to do their part to end oppression.
Honestly this comes off like you're mad that there's gay stuff in the game and, because you wouldn't include it, you think nobody else really wants it in there either. It's as if it's beyond your comprehension that some people care about other people.
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"Anytime anyone questioned one of your posts you accused them of racism or at the very least of not caring about black issues"
That's not true, I accused you of it, and frankly no one but you challenged that assertion which I made toward you. You co-opted an argument that you weren't apart of, I called you out on the implied bigotry in claiming I was pulling the race and victimhood card, implying I was coming from the stance of a victim in the first place. First it was the victim card, then the race card. You took it there. That's your Lexicon.
You also aren't being honest with your intentions in regards to this post. I had a conversation with Orion about a month ago amidst a vigorously volatile political climate. We discussed what we needed to discuss, regardless of where that discussion went between both of us. You decided to tell me what's what because you just know better. I'm not even going to bother re-quouting, or for that matter falsely re-quouting your initial post at me, you know you're talking #########.
I said my peace to whom it was directed, you can continue to claim I don't understand even though that conversation has already been resolved. It's clear you are talking to a wall - so please, continue to explain to me my victim status. Continue to tell me that I imply people as racist because they disagree with me. Keep projecting, it's a great way to make people realize what a moral boss you are when you continue to argue that my opinion doesn't matter and I just don't know any better, that this isn't a place for my discussion. You don't sound like a bigot at all, bud.
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It's not thats why they already changed there logo back now that its not pride month.
Corporate pandering
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Would you like DBD to have a permanent rainbow logo?? How could BHVR prove to you that they actually care? Maybe they should rename the game to "Dead By Gaylight", would you be able to relax then?
I know how much it concerns you that people might be "pretending to care about LGBT" so I'm just trying to help. Just the idea of the developers sitting behind a stack of cash cackling and going, "Those fools think we care about LGBT people! In truth, we are indifferent! Muhuhahahaaaa!" fills me with concern
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I could probably take some guesses. But if their writing is decent, I'd be wrong. That said, I don't care all that much either. So I'd prefer to not even bother.
As for why people bring the argument of "one-dimensional" characters up so much? It's likely because it isn't a rare occurrence, especially with LGBT characters. Writers (who often mean well) end up botching the characterization because they aren't just focusing on creating a compelling or interesting character anymore...
Or that's my perspective anyways.
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This is why I can’t take some of you seriously... resorting to name calling to try and act like your opinion or thought process is superior to someone else’s.
And NO, not everyone needs to push for a “marginalized group” to be added to the game. IT’S A VIDEO GAME. Lore adds no value to the gameplay itself. You’re making this seem like if DBD doesn’t add an openly gay character then that group is being “oppressed “. Reality check, the game would continue just fine because DBD is about 4 survivors trying to escape a bloodthirsty killer, not to push agendas.
You can assume what you want of me - I’ve already said I don’t have a problem what gets added, just the unnecessary outcry if it doesn’t.
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The outcry came from people who don't want it, why are you ignoring that? There was no outcry to out the already-present LGBT characters. Mathieu had one conversation with one dude and that was it. Meanwhile, dozens of threads were opened from the people who're against the idea, usually with "unsavory" comments sprinkled in, yet nobody ever acknowledges that. I'll say again: the outcry came from people who don't want the devs to out already-present LGBT characters, not due to the lack of confirmation of which characters are LGBT and which aren't.
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None of you are seeing the real issue here. If they start labeling and putting everyone into boxes then it’s going to seriously effect my DbD Porn. It’s bad enough that gave everyone a skin color, so I can’t enjoy Asian Claudette or Black Bill but now you want to identify them gender and sexually!? The F-! Pretty soon they will stop putting a dick on every girl and only pair up people that fit into a lame ass back story.
I blame the alphabet people.
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This is why I started a movement that aims to make all characters be shapeless, transparent blobs and all maps be empty voids. No more skin tones (or even skin), no more species, no more cultural depictions.
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