Why LGBT is so important?
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Pretty sure they said Claudette didn't have autism in the end. I see where you're coming from though, I just personally wish they kept things vague so people can self insert easier, and I don't trust people at all to write gay characters in a way that doesn't just end up as some stereotype.
I'm actually surprised they didn't make David gay considering like 90% of the rule 34 on DbD consists of David and some other male character lmfao.
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BT: Are we a joke to you?
Why leave the mystery when they didn't do the same for heterosexuals? Equal treatment.
Alright, have a nice day.
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I would have liked to keep everyone vague. I said I'd rather they just add new characters who are LGBT than add to old, obviously it's too late for them. Hell I literally said idm if they make a bunch of LGBT characters in a row.
BT is just there to stop everyone from tunneling the GL. (/s because I know it's needed for this joke)
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For the umpteenth time, that ship has sailed. Everyone gets the same treatment, and that means lore expansions that may or may not include relationships for everyone.
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And for the umpteenth time, my opinion is they shouldn't have done that in the first place, so I don't want them to continue. It's literally that simple. It's not about treating everyone the same. It's not about not representing anyone, it's just about my opinion that they shouldn't have done it in the first place and shouldn't continue.
Hell focusing on xxx survivor doing some human thing to show how human they are is mediocre lore considering this is a game with magical killers and Eldrich gods. Cut down the lore and focus on those aspects.
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In the western world, LGBT are treated the same. So why the fight? Thats what i cant understand, of course there will always be idiots that reduce someone to gender/colour, but those arent always just white straight men. Also, we should fight together to give this freedom to people that live at places where they get punished or murdered for just being themselves. Not seperating people in countries where it is already normal. (I am fully aware that it is just a small percentage of this movement, but sadly they cry out the loudest and just a few people inside of this movement stand against this behaviour.)
I wouldnt mind any LGBT tyed stuff in the lore, if it is implemented good and naturally.
A funny way would be some survs as the opposite gender, like a lesbian version of David that beats the crap out of you.
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That may be a valid and understandable opinion, but with the archives being a thing, we have to take it as it is. And in this scenario, there is nothing wrong with adding LGBT topics to existing chars, because they do add other stuff as well. They won’t stop with the archives now and they want to go deeper into lore and expand the backgrounds of their chars.
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If they stop now, it's the same as giving preferential treatment to non-LGBT. They can't take back the non-LGBT lore.
Also, they're still expanding the mythology behind the Entity, etc.. You'd know that if you'd read the lore.
A trans woman was shot just a few days ago for being trans in the USA, what are you talking about? There are still torture camps where LGBT people are sent by their "loving" parents to torture "the gay" out of them.
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They're really not treated the same.
The fact that's the tweet got so much ridiculous backlash proves that.
Remember the tweet was basically saying that they failed to keep their promise about making sexuality ambiguous as they essentially revealed several characters to be straight and all they were saying is they're going to actually start including and revealing LGBT now
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By that token I could say Jewish people are treated unequally in the US because a major football star tweeted anti-Semitic messages with no significant opposition. Or I could make the huge leap of bringing up the white woman killed in Indiana for saying all lives matter. Or the white motorcyclist who was intentionally killed by a man for being white(the offender stated that was his sole motivation). Bad people exists, it does not mean the system is bad. I'm not going to say they system is against whites because some white people got killed.
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Or I could make the huge leap of bringing up the white woman killed in Indiana for saying all lives matter.
Just for the record, that's fake news. That's not why she was shot and, in fact, she was shot a while after the confrontation with her saying that dismissive slogan.
So how do you explain the torture camps? They may not be part of "the system" (although I have my doubts that certain politicians aren't actively looking away from the problem and receiving a little money under the table), but there's no equal protection there. If I opened a torture camp for heterosexuals with the intent of "curing" them of their heterosexuality and had parents send me their heterosexual children to torture while calling it "therapy", it'd be shut down faster than you can blink and I would be arrested. LGBT don't have that, the torture camps have to be legislated as being illegal even though torture is already so.
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Adding lgbt to the game brings not that much happiness as it would bring hate. Tell me if im wrong
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It's impossible to prove one way or another without a lot more information, but let's assume you're right for the sake of argument. Should we really acquiesce to people like that?
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It's not fake news. Protestors said one thing, she said another, minutes later she is shot. But you ignored my overall point.
And again, those camps are run by detestable individuals and the parents who send their kids to such camps have questionable views as well. But when the APA and past surgeon generals and other US officials condemn conversion therapy, you can't go saying the system promotes unequal treatment. If a private company wants to try conversion therapy they are legally allowed to do.
Everyone is quick to point to individual examples of discrimination by one person or one private group as evidence of systemic discrimination (at least in the US they do) but they ignore the fact that the Constitution exists and the government 99% of the time opposes such discrimination. In a country of 325ish million people, some will not like other for arbitrary reasons.
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They should just leave politics, sexual orientation and beliefs out of the game. We all play the game and love the game. The politics ain't needed
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You're several years too late to complain about sexual orientations being in the game. Now the question is just whether LGBT characters get the same treatment as non-LGBT ones.
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You're just missing the part where her husband brandished a firearm first and the fact that she was shot had nothing to do with her chanting the dismissive slogan.
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Again I'm going to have to bring this up because this only gets put up with LGBT and people apparently don't make this much of a stink when straight relationships are revealed but let's go through the list.
1) Frank is dating Julie
2) Julie is dating Frank
Where was this statement when this was revealed
3) David had an ex-girlfriend
Where was you saying that this doesn't belong when this was revealed.
4) Nurse had an ex-husband
I think you're starting to see the trend now.
5) Wraith and the nurse are an item
Where was this statement that
6) Ace has tons of cosmetics revealing him to be ladies man.
Where was your post and comments about how this doesn't belong
6.5) Oni has a family with a wife and kids I'll let this one slide because it's to show the lineage between him and spirit.
But still you know the saying off where was your response.
Why do people like this only come out of the woodwork and give this stupid statement about how it doesn't belong when it's LGBT but when it's a straight relationship you guys all apparently seem to disappear and hide.
Either all of it belongs or none of it does you can't just pick and choose which one you think belongs and which one is making a statement or not.
Finally do you want to know the most amusing part the only people who are bringing up politics into this situation are people using it as a shield to stop it from happening.
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Wicked late response to the original question, but it's definitely not money. Any time we-- or any other company for that matter-- speak out in support of LGBT+ people, there's always people who leave or spew hate (before promptly getting blocked). We aren't selling anything to 'celebrate' pride and there's no money to be gained in doing so. If anything, it's the opposite.
I do get that the popular thing is "big company evil, must be some plot", but there's actual people working here behind those messages, some of which are LGBT+ themselves. I'd like to believe that these days treating people like people no matter who they are is a given, but the amount of moderation we have to do on each of those posts is staggering. I'm not even talking about differing opinions, but overt hate. Sitting there quietly and pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it go away, so if we can use the reach that DBD has to do some good, we're absolutely going to.
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It's because they think companies pandering to them means they care
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The reason why you got backlash and it doesn't feel genuine is because it was announced.
It should have just been done naturally. I dislike June because usually companies turn all their attention to the LGBT community in hopes for some $$$. Clothing companies do it, accessory companies do it, gaming companies do it, and it just doesn't feel from the heart.
You allowed people to express their feelings, you allowed them to expect and brace for the worse by announcing it.
As a member from the LGBT community, saying it was genuine doesn't change anything. What was done is done.
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So who does care? The people who don't want our existence to be mentioned anywhere because it's "political" and "forced" while theirs is perfectly fine?
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Is the LGBT community trying to be normal or pandered to because you can't have both
Also to answer your question no one should care that's what makes it normal but when it's constantly brought up in your face to the point where there is a month dedicated to it there will be push back
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Our ancestors fought for the right to be equal.
Having an entire month in June in our honor disrespects that vision they fought for.
We're not better, we're not greater. We want to exist, but not forced, do it naturally.
Several games did that on their own and they did it perfectly.
Nier:Automata did it perfect.
Dragon Age did it perfect.
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But we see that the LGBT community gets pandered to then complain that it isn't enough then complain that they wanted to be normal
Tbh I never played dragon age and I never noticed it in nier even though I played all 5 endings where was it
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Funny, multiple outlets report the other group pulled the gun first. The initial fight stemmed from her saying all lives matter. Both sides escalated it but you missed the point(once again) that just because one person is killed doesn't mean the whole system is against them. I notice you didn't bother to try refuting my other two examples.
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Is the LGBT community trying to be normal or pandered to because you can't have both
Non-LGBT get to have it both ways, so why not?
Also to answer your question no one should care that's what makes it normal but when it's constantly brought up in your face to the point where there is a month dedicated to it there will be push back
In my experience, there are always people pushing back and they claim that if "the gays" were just "quiet" that everything would be fine and nobody would bother them, because that's how it worked for every other marginalized group, they just sat quietly and weren't burned at the stake, raped, or tortured to death.
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Yep, "rainbow-washing".
For about one week a year, every company is suddenly very concerned with rainbows on all their branding and carefully crafted statements from their legal departments about acceptance and inclusiveness.
Yeah, maybe individuals in those companies do care, but companies tend to be less than the sum of their parts when it comes to these issues.
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I mean straight people in media exists because biology propels humanity forward
And for your second point gay people aren't second class citizens at least in western countries and there is no real visual indicator to tell a person is gay or not it's 100% on that person to tell people because there isn't a way to really know
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That is only a very minor part of all the backlash though. As Peanits said himself, they had to moderate and block people because of hateful comments etc.
and only because you are LGBT and don’t find it genuine doesn’t mean everyone thinks that way either. There are LGBT and straight people that didn’t have a problem with that small tweet (that was even smaller than most normal tweet tbh). Also the questions were raised in this month and they gave a statement and answer. Should they have waited for a month just so you may find it genuine? There would be a ton of backlash because they didn’t answer at all for the time.
for BHVR, they didn’t sell LGBT accessory’s, DLC or anything, so your argument doesn’t work here either
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Love this shout out and if you wanna be technical... GhostFace is fluid as well, since they're a concept and not a specific individual, that has been represented by both binary genders. Seriously, Roberts does NOT get enough credit for her time under the mask.
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thats really not true, there is still discrimination going on and straight relationships are not only shown because of reproduction, as far as we know, Frank and Julie didn’t want children and Nurse and her husband didn’t have children as well. This argument could work for Oni, but then no one said otherwise.
there is no harm in including LGBT themes in the lore of this game. It is not needed, but there will be no damage done. Just let it be.
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So now concepts have genders? Just because a costume is worn by two different sexes doesn't mean that a costume has a gender.
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Straight people in media exist because it's pandering to them.
There's still a ton of discrimination against LGBT people (note the letters other than "G"), like prominent politicians and whole parties who're against marriage equality, for example.
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There are many things I dont like at BHVR and most of them are related with the game but as for community,i'm 100% with them,the fact they support LGBT and stand for it its a thing I will always appreciate and many other companies should do.
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In western countries not really Also I what I meant was straight people are the vassst majority and how old is the legion group because I thought they were all teenagers and I wouldn't think they would have a kid that young also with nurse her husband is irrelevant but didn't he die like midway in her career then she overworked went insane and died it would be a way darker story if she did have a child so I'm glad she didn't and oni cared more about honor than having a family and went down the path of a demon then disappeared
It's more of adding LGBT themes makes no sense in a game where people are getting slaughtered on meat hooks and being chased by an insane killer powered by a God of madness
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If you want to be honest the L in LGBT shouldn't exist because lesbians also refer to themselves as gay bisexual people ultimately choose a side at the end of the day it's just that they are unsure and trans is a can of worms that I won't bother explaining
Also marriage wasn't apart of the government but apart of the church which was a blatant overreach and violation in America between the separation between church and state then after gay marriage was announced gay couples went after Christian bakers for not serving them it would have been better if the government would have just have the same tax breaks for cohabiting couples instead of violating American rights
Politicians won't pander to gay people because they are only 5% of the population they wouldn't gain much by pandering after gay marriage was approved
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Serious question: do you just not look at what politicians do in western countries, particularly conservative politicians? It's always anti-LGBT legislation like voting against marriage equality, against adoption, in favor of torture (which they whitewash by calling it "conversion therapy", kinda like how going to war is "anxiety therapy"), and so on.
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Bisexuals are just unsure and choose a side at the end?
and marriage was not only a church thing since a long time, see taxes (at least in some European countries)
and saying there is no discrimination going on in western countries is just blatantly wrong and concerningly ignorant.
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I'm bisexual and the notion that bisexuals "choose a side" or "are unsure" is absurd. I'm in a homosexual relationship but I'm still attracted to both men and women. Your idea is like saying that if you eat pasta once, you're not allowed to like any other kind of food, ever.
Marriage was always a legal contract, the church was just the main political power way back when. It still is, in many ways.
You do know that it's not just LGBT who care about marriage equality, right? It is possible to care about a group of people different than your own.
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I feel like you didn't read my wall of text but ok. I look at both sides and most conservatives these days are pandering to the Democratic base to get their vote I don't see much of shock the gay out like 10 years ago and marriage equality I already went over
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As I've pointed out, discrimination coming from individuals is impossible to stop, discrimination coming from western governments is non-existent.
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You don't see the torture because you choose not to. Look up how many torture camps still exist. I won't discuss USA politics because it's not my country, but I will say I've yet to see a single conservative in the USA try to appeal to Democrats.
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Marriage equality. Adoption.
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I say bisexuals are unsure and choose in the end because if they choose to get married they either pick the same sex or opposite sex because polyamory is illegal outside of some small Midwestern communities
I edited my post after I posted it and said the government should have gave tax exemption status to cohabiting couples instead of legalizing gay marriage
Your making it sound like the treatment of gay people in western countries is like how they treat gay people in the middle east and africa
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I say bisexuals are unsure and choose in the end because if they choose to get married they either pick the same sex or opposite sex because polyamory is illegal outside of some small Midwestern communities
Yes, some bisexuals pick someone they like and marry them, just like everyone who gets married by choice does. There is no indecision and no "sides" were chosen.
I edited my post after I posted it and said the government should have gave tax exemption status to cohabiting couples instead of legalizing gay marriage
No, it shouldn't have. Marriage equality is the goal.
Your making it sound like the treatment of gay people in western countries is like how they treat gay people in the middle east and africa
We're talking about western countries, so please stick to the topic.
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You can be denied adoption for a multitude of reasons. Try adopting a baby as a single parent with low income, it's not gonna happen. So is the adoption system prejudiced against single people or poor people? And last I checked same sex adoption was legalized in the US. Same with gay marriage.
So tired of people perceiving the US as some locked down country run by zealous monks.
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And I'm tired of people thinking the USA and its government are the only thing in existence, like there are zero other western countries (or even countries on Earth).
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So you in the end chose to be homosexual even though you are attracted to both sexes thank you for proving my point with your own actions
Marriage is mainly just a way to get tax exemption status now which it was before but now even more so also the devaluation of marriage hurts people in the long run because kids need a stable household to grow up to be successful gay families also do this through either adaption or surrogacy
And where does that line end because p is included in the LGBT+ community
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So you in the end chose to be homosexual even though you are attracted to both sexes thank you for proving my point with your own actions
No, I'm still bisexual, the same way single people are not asexual. Do you understand the difference between "sexual attraction" and "relationship"?
Marriage is mainly just a way to get tax exemption status now which it was before but now even more so also the devaluation of marriage hurts people in the long run because kids need a stable household to grow up to be successful gay families also do this through either adaption or surrogacy
No, marriage is mainly a way to show people that you love them and make sure everything is taken care of, legally speaking, in the event one of you should die.
There's no devaluation of marriage, unless your marriage's value is defined by how many people can't get married.
Kids do indeed need a stable household, which is why LGBT couples shouldn't be excluded from marriage and adoption.
And where does that line end because p is included in the LGBT+ community
lol, no it's not. They're not welcome in any community, and for good reason.
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