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Why LGBT is so important?
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You must have been pretty damn quick on the pulse to get yourself the name Deathslinger major kudos to you
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I’m not denying that happened, but I’m not a part of that group. I don’t even know who the existing gay character is or that it was hinted at, because the lore doesn’t matter to me enough to notice every detail.
The post I responded to in your quote of me seems like an outcry - saying we ALL should be pushing for something.
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This is horror please leave your gamer issues in COD
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You were referring to outcry over not having explicitly LGBT characters in the game, which that person was not complaining about. Their complaint was about you.
I'll repeat myself ad nauseam if I must, until it really sinks in: there was no outcry about the lack of LGBT characters in the game. The only outcry came from people who don't want explicitly LGBT characters in the game.
So since you said this:
I don’t have a problem what gets added, just the unnecessary outcry if it doesn’t.
you must have no issue with anything that's actually happened.
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What gamer issues? We're not discussing gameplay here.
So why didn't they advertise it more? They put out one tweet and that was it. Why not really cash in on it with a forum announcement, for example?
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I see individuals do that all the time as well, the same way I see them buying Christmas presents and Mother's Day gifts at the appropriate times of the year. I don't see Christmas ads in July for the same reason I don't Valentine's Day ads in September - it's not the proper time of the year. Why is the idea of fixed dates for specific things such an issue for you?
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Gamer issues aren't about gameplay they're....people get really sensitive so I'll explain in a song.
This about sums it up lol
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Yeah, I'm not listening to that. You can put in a little effort and write what you want to say.
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Skip to about 3 minutes in and listen for a few seconds. Because of gamer issues I'll leave it at that since this forum and sadly game is filled with gamers who probably wouldn't like me saying that lol
Or don't, it actually doesn't matter since unbeknownst to you we're on the same page. See that's what happens when you argue with hateful people in the internet, if you start firing at random you'll hit the people closest not the ones who deserve ig. And make no mistake this forum post says "why do the devs care about gays?" i don't think you'll be changing any hearts or minds here
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I made no assumptions about your stance, I just don't like it when people put in barely any effort to have a conversation and expect others to put in more effort than they're willing to. I would've reacted in the same manner even if you had explicitly agreed with me.
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You're several years too late to object to that, the Nurse's husband is quite explicitly mentioned in her lore.
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The point is that that ship sailed long ago and nobody had any problems with it until now.
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Horror is all about a rejection of conformity. As such, the community attracts a lot of gays.
FUN FACT Freddy was used as a metaphor for homosexuality in NMOES2. Now that may not be the most well regarded movie out there but it existence speaks for itself. Also *ghostface* said the only way to survive a modern horror movie is to be gay. Im not sure what that means because it's not literally true and it might just be a play on the fact that sex = death but im pretty sure gays have sex so maybe it was just to set up a funny death later. I just felt the need to bring it up since *he's* also in dbd
Bubba is genderfluid
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Nobody asked for this either, so why does it have to be "necessary" all of a sudden when it didn't need any justification for the past 4 years?
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Anything that gets announced in June and it concerns the LGBT community is only for Profit.
That's it. 100%.
Want us to feel like it's a genuine gesture? Don't announce it, make it natural.
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Bro, are you reading the same posts I am? There’s people saying it’s WRONG if we don’t ALL push for equality in DBD.
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Yes, that oh-so lucrative LGBT market! So much money!! Man let me tell you, if the next Indiana Jones movie features Indy doing a dude, it will be the highest-grossing movie of all time! And I bet Harrison Ford doesn't even care about the LGBT cause, he's just in it for the money!
The mental gymnastics here are very amusing. You guys have to go to such great lengths to disguise the fact that you just don't want LGBT stuff in the game.
I know it's pointless to try to get through to you, but here's an example. Say a company donates a million dollars to a cancer research foundation. Then you find out.. the company doesn't really care about cancer! They still donated the money. They still contributed to a good cause. Are you really going to try to act all outraged about it? Even if BHVR doesn't truly, in their heart of hearts, care about LGBT, they still included them.
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That's not even close to the same type of issue being discussed here...
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I'm gay.
That movie would fail.
FORCED LGBT oriented themes aren't working in the market at the moment.
I don't like being pandered to.
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Profit
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Maybe they like the game and want People to play. If they wanted profit they wouldnt spend this much on iconic killers they wouldn't of made original killers earnable with play time so they dont care they see humans. Not lgbtq or straight
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They want to make character relatable to a large group of people if I had to take a wild guess.
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SpongeBob is asexual, and has been since his creator said he was. This was confirmed like a decade ago. Not only does it make sense character wise, sea sponges irl reproduce asexualy too.
His creator died and so Nickelodeon changed it so they could make the news again. If they did care and/or respect either the creation, the creator, or the fans they'd have left him asexual.
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I ain't the same dude, but IMO I don't want the characters already released to be changed, I'd prefer them all to remain rather ambiguous in regards to their personality itself so that any personality we've projected onto them feels good.
If they add a new dude and make them gay/bi/whatever that's fine, but leave the older characters as they are.
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Since they haven’t been confirmed straight, no changing would be happening whatsoever.
even Nurse could be bisexual as far as we know.
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Changing in this case means not being ambiguous anymore. As I said, I'd prefer their personalities to remain as blank as possible in order to allow the people playing themselves to project themselves on them.
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So you have a problem with David’s archive story as well? Or with every archive story, since they all add new lore to the chars. Or is it just a problem if it’s explicitly LGBT themes added?
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I am personally gay and did not even know it was a trend right now. rofl I think I am getting to old to care about trends but either way I feel it is probably a little profit and more about support. I mean I do not blame them for making some money from it but I would lean more towards support because just by supporting a cause brings people in and they are not forcing people to spend money or whatever but they support us and we like to support them. It kind of becomes more of a two way street then a support this "trend I guess" to make a quick buck. I could be waaay wrong though.
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I'm gay and I firmly don't believe that sexual orientation should be focused on in a game like this. It is scarecely relevant, and I had a whole lot more respect for their previous decision that orientation wouldn't be addressed for the vast majority of characters so it's up to the player to decide and who to relate to. You're running around hacking people apart and hanging them on meathooks, who they want to sleep with isn't relevant.
Personally, I find it hard to be optomistic about them discussing sexuality in character lore for a number of reasons.
Firstly, they lack subtlety in a lot of cases. The biggest example for me is Zarina. In creating a "race-positive" character, they created a character whose entire personality and backstory is just her race. Race is important but like anything else, completely dominating a character's entire personality with one detail is shallow and to a degree, insulting to people who care about that detail in themselves.
Secondly, the current events surrounding the LGBT community and "gender identity" have left a lot of the community split, flinging insults, and creating toxic, destructive movements across many forms of social media. This is not the time to hedge your bets on an LGBT character. One wrong word and the company can very quickly get labelled as "phobic," exploitative of the movement etc.
Lastly, we so often get represented by a barrage of stereotypes in media. For what is meant to be a time where we're most accepted and 'normal,' we're constantly dragged back to these parodies of the feminine guy who likes make up or drag, and clubbing. It doesn't represent a huge amount of us, and for many these sorts of representations aren't any better than putting in racial stereotypes and saying "you should just be glad to be represented at all." As I've said above, they don't have a great track record of subtlety, and I'm skeptical that they can create characters that are LGBT without it being their personality.
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Like I said, I would like their personalities to remain ambiguous. Dwight is already interesting as a character, it's just too bad his in-game animations only show him as a scaredy-cat
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No one said it will be a heavy focus and we do not know how the devs will handle the LGBT themes. Maybe it will just be like the mentioning of David’s ex and nothing more. And we probably won’t get confirmation for every single char. They will just not restrict themselves anymore with the exclusion of these themes, that is all we know at this point.
we do know that at least one char in the roster is LGBT and looking at it, as no one can really confidently guess who it is, they handeled that at least very well.
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No characters are going to be changed, their lore is going to be expanded. We know for a fact that at least one of them is LGBT, according to the devs. It's unfortunate that you didn't oppose the creation of the Rifts, which expand the lore for already-released characters, because now there's no reason to keep doing it.
At least one of the characters already in the roster is LGBT, according to the devs. Does that assuage your fears?
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No. Because there are plenty of characters who could be gay, and that was always a good thing. The fact that the devs feel the need to make a pandering twitter update to say "we're going to be more blatant about it" is a bad thing.
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Yes, plenty of characters who could be gay, but we're talking about LGBT as a whole, not just G. Moving on, I say "at least one" because the devs confirmed that a while ago, when we had fewer characters, and I don't know if they've released more LGBT characters since.
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I don't want their personalities expanded on, idm if their lore expands in the sense of what they did in life that got them there. Basically I just want them vague enough that anyone can self insert with any of the survivors. Just using vague pronouns and understandable emotional reactions is enough.
Man I just want my vague template to remain vague and template-y.
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Like I said, it's unfortunate you didn't oppose the creation of the Rifts, because now that ship has sailed.
You can always self-insert anyway, it's not like having a well-established lore deters headcanons/fan fictions.
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I did oppose the rift; imo BHVR should have focused on literally anything else to make the game healthier, rather than confine themselves to constant battle-pass and (insert completely ignored mechanic here). Imagine if they devoted their battlepass guys to basic number changes to mess with the meta, the game would actually change and you wouldn't see the same 6 perks every game.
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My apologies for assuming, then. However, that doesn't change the fact that that ship has sailed. There's no reason for them to self-censor and restrict it to heterosexual characters and relationships.
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It never was restricted. Like you said, there are gay characters. What you're advocating for is taking characters after the fact and tacking on sexualities because it's the hip new thing on the internet.
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That's the thing though, they don't need to restrict it to hetero stuff. Just make it vague; call bf/gfs SOs or lovers etc. The beauty of the og 4 is that you *don't* know which is the LGBT one, so you can comfortably just identify with the one you want to be LGBT, and not have the Devs say 'ummm ackchually xxx is the gay one, you're canonically wrong.'
It'd also stop pretentious fights over ######### character sexuality on a bloody video game forum.
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They were restricting themselves. Note the "self-" in "self-censor". You can claim it's taking characters after the fact, but if that were so, why would they announce that one character they'd released was LGBT and then do nothing with it for over a year?
They were already explicit about heterosexuals. That ship has sailed. There is absolutely no reason not to give LGBT characters the same treatment.
You know what else would stop these fights? People giving LGBT lore the same treatment as non-LGBT lore; that is, pay no attention to it whatsoever.
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Then make a new character who's gay, it isn't difficult. My argument is based on the fact that people are attached to their toons, and letting them have more say over their toon is better.
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I'm just saying there was clues
More joking really... i don't take spongebob that seriously dispite all the life lessons he taught me.
Well thanks for the info tho i did not know he was created that way. And only changed after death ? Weird. Interesting and weird.
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I think on company sides its almost 99% for profits.
Its another thing what every employe thinks individualy.
On my side, i think the whole gender discussion and especially BLM are overhyped and are already just used by some people to gather attention or make excuses for their own misbehaviour.
In my opinion, everyone should be threated the same and sexual orientation or ethnic shouldnt matter at all. Just this whole blown up discussion is seperating people already, and this is what makes me feel uncomfortable about it, especially when looking at the lootings and protests in the usa.
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They already have a character who is LGBT (note the other letters, LGBT isn't just about gay men) and they deserve the same treatment as heterosexuals got. Let's not pretend headcanons/fan fictions are affected by canon.
That's what LGBT people have been asking, to be treated the same. If this was about non-LGBT lore, nobody would've made this many threads. There was no opposition to the rifts in regards to their expansion of the lore, as far as I know, it was all about the battle pass-like system. Why doesn't LGBT lore get the same treatment?
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Yeah, from what I'm aware the creator adamantly wanted SpongeBob to remain asexual both due to being a sea sponge and the way he wrote SpongeBob kinda shows he's never really attracted to anyone. After he died Nickelodeon just went and ######### with the creation for free internet points. SpongeBob was literally already LGBT so making him gay just to get in the news kinda proves it.
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By that statement everything that has previously been released about a character something you should hate.
When are you new outfit comes out that sheds more light about a character you should hate it because it's revealing more and changing your perspective.
You should hate the archives because it's literally changing what we know about the characters and adding new bits of information.
Revealing that Claudette has autism shed new light on her and changed what we knew about her but it never changed her character.
Revealing that David had a girlfriend sheds new light as we learn new stuff about him but it doesn't change his character.
The problem that people have is that they've made a point to keep everything ambiguous and up to the players decisions however this is not something they have stuck to as they revealed several characters to be straight
David having an ex girlfriend
Nurse having an ex husband
Wraith having a thing with nurse
Oni having a family ( this is understandable because lineage for Rin but still)
Frank dating Julie.
Julie dating Frank.
Ace having several cosmetics reveal him to be a ladies man.
If they made Min lesbian or Joey bi all it would do like with the examples I said above would shed light on the characters but not actually change anything about them.
Writing a character who doesn't just completely revolve around their sexuality is easy.
You write a good and compelling character first and then you could add the fact that they are LGBT.
A lot of people ask created to just new characters that are LGBT but at that stage you're literally creating a character solely to revolve around their identity. Not seeing it can't or shouldn't be done I'm just saying it doesn't it make it counterintuitive to what a lot of people who are against it ask for.
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Im well aware LGBT isn't just about gay men. When I said gay I just meant homosexual.
So why not leave the mystery of which character is LGBT so people get to keep their toons headcanon nicely, and make new LGBT characters? They don't even have to wait, they did like 3 original survivors in a row that were all variations on self-reliant woman, so they can easily do 3 different survivors who happen to be LGBT.
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Well gee, maybe it lets people white knight for them without actually having to do anything.
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I'd rather romantic never being a topic tbh so I'd rather 100% be asexual in my spongebob
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