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killers need to be able to opt out of SWF

gamerx42z
gamerx42z Member Posts: 13
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So I've been playing on and off for a few months started playing more when it became a plus game. The one thing that's really been bugging me is I often will get matched up with rank 2 SWF groups when I'm a rank 15 killer. Seriously it's happened twice in an hour at this point.

The matchmaking is very unbalanced when SWF comes up and they should not be facing killers in the newbie ranks, I'd really like to see an option to opt out of SWF completely. Give killers who opt into SWF double bp or some other incentive maybe.

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  • HellDescent
    HellDescent Member Posts: 4,883

    @gamerx42z said:
    So I've been playing on and off for a few months started playing more when it became a plus game. The one thing that's really been bugging me is I often will get matched up with rank 2 SWF groups when I'm a rank 15 killer. Seriously it's happened twice in an hour at this point.

    The matchmaking is very unbalanced when SWF comes up and they should not be facing killers in the newbie ranks, I'd really like to see an option to opt out of SWF completely. Give killers who opt into SWF double bp or some other incentive maybe.

    I'm sick of swf. I came up with temporary solution for myself, to blow off some steam. Its in the description. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKHa6EL3Ls0
    This has been addressed so many times but devs refuse to do make it happen.

  • HellDescent
    HellDescent Member Posts: 4,883
    edited September 2018

    @SenzuDuck said:

    @HellDescent said:

    @gamerx42z said:
    So I've been playing on and off for a few months started playing more when it became a plus game. The one thing that's really been bugging me is I often will get matched up with rank 2 SWF groups when I'm a rank 15 killer. Seriously it's happened twice in an hour at this point.

    The matchmaking is very unbalanced when SWF comes up and they should not be facing killers in the newbie ranks, I'd really like to see an option to opt out of SWF completely. Give killers who opt into SWF double bp or some other incentive maybe.

    I'm sick of swf. I came up with temporary solution for myself, to blow off some steam. Its in the description. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKHa6EL3Ls0
    This has been addressed so many times but devs refuse to do make it happen.

    Intentionally playing against new survivors so you can then bully - very admirable of yourself.
    Absolute embarrassment, i've seen three killer mains talk about intentionally deranking now, and they're all incredibly vocal about balance. I'd love to speak to the newer players you intend to bully and see if they thinks it's fair and balanced they'll have to play against people who know all the mechanics of the game.

    I am talking about toxic swf squads, not the people who play the game the way its intended to. Those ones will get some practice and escape

  • HellDescent
    HellDescent Member Posts: 4,883

    So you are telling me that bodyblocking, tbagging, coms are encouraged in the game and are considered skills??

  • SoylentPixie
    SoylentPixie Member Posts: 1,192

    Before this thread turns entirely into yet another childish bitchfest, saying the same damn things over and over again, i do agree with OP that killers should be given an option to opt out of swf, but not just by guessing, since i have had plenty of matches where we've all turned up together and we have certainly not been an swf.

    There has been suggestions of other modes or the option not to do ranked play, either way, even as a survivor main i can see the sense in it if it's handled fairly for both sides. Honestly I'd stick to KYF if enough of mine played at the same time but that's logistically difficult.

  • HellDescent
    HellDescent Member Posts: 4,883

    I've never dc'd

  • Seanzu
    Seanzu Member Posts: 7,526

    @HellDescent said:
    I've never dc'd

    I like how out of everything I said you picked out the bit where i said dc instead of deranking. My bad, lol.
    You can continue to critique the rest of my post I'd love to hear more about your deranking excuses.

  • gamerx42z
    gamerx42z Member Posts: 13

    The other problem with SWF that people keep ignoring is if throws off matchmaking. Does nobody besides me know the pain of getting rank 1-2 players as a newbie rank (15-20) killer?
    I've even seen instances of rank 20 killer going against a rank 1 SWF duo. Tell me why this should happen?

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  • BloodyNights
    BloodyNights Member Posts: 526
    edited September 2018

    You do have a choice to opt out of 4-3 man swf, If you see them pop into a lobby all at once just leave. You can just wait till people come into the room one at a time. Also while SWF sucks to go against, there are counters to it that people don't utilize, like friggin looking before you pick someone up or going at an angle to not get flash light blinded, and swinging the moment that body blocking takes place, expect it and adapt. It's way easier to go against randos for sure. But it's not the end of the world, especially with how altruistic teams like that is.

  • gamerx42z
    gamerx42z Member Posts: 13

    To be fair I've never once even been past rank 15. I actually struggle to get even 1 kill at rank 15 against players my own rank so that's about my current skill level. So not all of us who complain about swf derank

    Also most lobbies I host as killer 3-4 people all join within about a second of each other. So its hard to tell if they are SWF from that or not. If I actually lobby dodged each time 3 or 4 people joined at the same time I'd be dodging for 10+ minutes at least..

  • Seanzu
    Seanzu Member Posts: 7,526

    @gamerx42z said:
    To be fair I've never once even been past rank 15. I actually struggle to get even 1 kill at rank 15 against players my own rank so that's about my current skill level. So not all of us who complain about swf derank

    Also most lobbies I host as killer 3-4 people all join within about a second of each other. So its hard to tell if they are SWF from that or not. If I actually lobby dodged each time 3 or 4 people joined at the same time I'd be dodging for 10+ minutes at least..

    When I play solo i constantly load in with survivors at the same time - it's not at all a reliable tell, tbh.
    Just dodge if you think you're gunna have a bad time.

  • CoolAKn
    CoolAKn Member Posts: 677

    @BloodyNights said:
    You do have a choice to opt out of 4-3 man swf, If you see them pop into a lobby all at once just leave. You can just wait till people come into the room one at a time. Also while SWF sucks to go against, there are counters to it that people don't utilize, like friggin looking before you pick someone up or going at an angle to not get flash light blinded, and swinging the moment that body blocking takes place, expect it and adapt. It's way easier to go against randos for sure. But it's not the end of the world, especially with how altruistic teams like that is.

    I've done something similar to avoid getting blinded. If they were downed next to a tall-enough wall (some obstacles just aren't tall enough, pick up the survivor while facing the wall, and survivors won't be able to attempt to blind you until you face another direction.

  • BloodyNights
    BloodyNights Member Posts: 526

    @CoolAKn said:

    @BloodyNights said:
    You do have a choice to opt out of 4-3 man swf, If you see them pop into a lobby all at once just leave. You can just wait till people come into the room one at a time. Also while SWF sucks to go against, there are counters to it that people don't utilize, like friggin looking before you pick someone up or going at an angle to not get flash light blinded, and swinging the moment that body blocking takes place, expect it and adapt. It's way easier to go against randos for sure. But it's not the end of the world, especially with how altruistic teams like that is.

    I've done something similar to avoid getting blinded. If they were downed next to a tall-enough wall (some obstacles just aren't tall enough, pick up the survivor while facing the wall, and survivors won't be able to attempt to blind you until you face another direction.

    Yeah that's the smart decision as well as slight patrolling. If they are going for that flashlight save they gotta be near by, chase them away and then pick up your prey. Once they are up on your shoulders it's way easier to avoid a flash light stun just by looking up most of the time.

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @gamerx42z said:
    So I've been playing on and off for a few months started playing more when it became a plus game. The one thing that's really been bugging me is I often will get matched up with rank 2 SWF groups when I'm a rank 15 killer. Seriously it's happened twice in an hour at this point.

    The matchmaking is very unbalanced when SWF comes up and they should not be facing killers in the newbie ranks, I'd really like to see an option to opt out of SWF completely. Give killers who opt into SWF double bp or some other incentive maybe.

    You can opt out. There is this button called "leave lobby". Dont be afraid to use it, you will find a new lobby in no time

  • gibblywibblywoo
    gibblywibblywoo Member Posts: 3,772
    gamerx42z said:

    So I've been playing on and off for a few months started playing more when it became a plus game. The one thing that's really been bugging me is I often will get matched up with rank 2 SWF groups when I'm a rank 15 killer. Seriously it's happened twice in an hour at this point.

    The matchmaking is very unbalanced when SWF comes up and they should not be facing killers in the newbie ranks, I'd really like to see an option to opt out of SWF completely. Give killers who opt into SWF double bp or some other incentive maybe.

    I'd just like an indicator so i know if I can play trapper or not. Swf invalidates him


  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @gibblywibblywoo said:
    gamerx42z said:

    So I've been playing on and off for a few months started playing more when it became a plus game. The one thing that's really been bugging me is I often will get matched up with rank 2 SWF groups when I'm a rank 15 killer. Seriously it's happened twice in an hour at this point.

    The matchmaking is very unbalanced when SWF comes up and they should not be facing killers in the newbie ranks, I'd really like to see an option to opt out of SWF completely. Give killers who opt into SWF double bp or some other incentive maybe.

    I'd just like an indicator so i know if I can play trapper or not. Swf invalidates him

    True, I suggested the BP incentive for SWF ages ago too. But i guess it will never happen, devs are too scared to limit SWF

  • shadowsfall42
    shadowsfall42 Member Posts: 201
    The issue that some seem unable to grasp with opt out of swf is that the only people that won't opt out of swf are people who are new, and people who don't know any better. Very few experience killers would not opt out of it, because as we all know, swf breaks the balance. 

    So what will happen when basically 99% of killers opt out of swf? Matchmaking will take so long that survivors will just jump ship. Thereby killing the game. It sounds good on paper, but realistically speaking the game will die off, because a vast majority play with friends. And if people can't play with friends they'll drop it for a game where they can play with friends. 
  • Grey87
    Grey87 Member Posts: 346

    @Master said:

    @gibblywibblywoo said:
    gamerx42z said:

    So I've been playing on and off for a few months started playing more when it became a plus game. The one thing that's really been bugging me is I often will get matched up with rank 2 SWF groups when I'm a rank 15 killer. Seriously it's happened twice in an hour at this point.

    The matchmaking is very unbalanced when SWF comes up and they should not be facing killers in the newbie ranks, I'd really like to see an option to opt out of SWF completely. Give killers who opt into SWF double bp or some other incentive maybe.

    I'd just like an indicator so i know if I can play trapper or not. Swf invalidates him

    True, I suggested the BP incentive for SWF ages ago too. But i guess it will never happen, devs are too scared to limit SWF

    They are not stupid , you mean.

  • Grey87
    Grey87 Member Posts: 346

    @HellDescent said:
    So you are telling me that bodyblocking, tbagging, coms are encouraged in the game and are considered skills??

    Bodyblocking to take a hit for an injured survivor? Yes , it's encouraged.
    If you didn't notice there is even an achievement for that.

  • HellDescent
    HellDescent Member Posts: 4,883

    @Grey87 not when you are constantly swarmed by all 3 survivors with insta-heals.

  • gamerx42z
    gamerx42z Member Posts: 13

    At the very least they need to fix matchmaking with SWF if they keep it. My example of matches happening that are 4 rank 2 SWF vs a rank 15 killer and 2 rank 1 SWF duo vs a rank 20 killer are things that should absolutely not happen. Some of the "best" players should not be getting matched up with some of the newer/not as good players.

    Also since players join so frequently at the same time even if not SWF I'd have to lobby dodge for like 10+ minutes just to get into a lobby where 3-4 people don't join at the same time. I'd rather be actually playing when I want not just lobby dodging half my play time.

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  • Seanzu
    Seanzu Member Posts: 7,526

    @HellDescent said:
    @Grey87 not when you are constantly swarmed by all 3 survivors with insta-heals.

    Said the deranking killer.

    No one is swarming you and insta healing 3 at a time, you seem to record a crap tonne of your stuff, wheres the 3 man insta heal body block squad, or do you make things up to try and justify your cheating?

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  • gamerx42z
    gamerx42z Member Posts: 13

    Let me put it this way. Imagine playing as a new killer 15-20 and getting matched up with rank 1-2 SWF team. The killer struggles the whole game and the SWF team knows it so they stay around even after the gates have been opened for an extra 10-30 minutes just to taunt the killer knowing the killer has no chance.

    Are things like that balanced? Should people be able to hold the game hostage like this refusing to leave? I guess your answer will be something like "if you don't like it then leave the match or don't play". I've had situations like this happen repeatedly though where the SWF team just refuses to leave the game even though I'm horrible at killer and stand no chance.

    And saying something like "just dodge or close the match" would be like saying "don't go outside" to someone who would complain their neighbor punches them in the face any time they go outside.

  • gamerx42z
    gamerx42z Member Posts: 13

    Not to mention Senzu doesn't seem to notice or care that even rank 20 killers can be matched up with rank 1-2 swf. How hard is that to understand? Try having your average level 20 rank killer with 0 perks against a SWF team with all great perks.

    Also you CANNOT see peoples ranks in the lobby as a killer. At least not on ps4 that I've seen so there is no way to know if they are a high rank SWF team or not.

    But ok lets let the rank 1-2 SWF teams bully rank 15-20 killers and the killers just have to "deal with it"

  • Seanzu
    Seanzu Member Posts: 7,526

    @gamerx42z said:
    Not to mention Senzu doesn't seem to notice or care that even rank 20 killers can be matched up with rank 1-2 swf. How hard is that to understand? Try having your average level 20 rank killer with 0 perks against a SWF team with all great perks.

    Also you CANNOT see peoples ranks in the lobby as a killer. At least not on ps4 that I've seen so there is no way to know if they are a high rank SWF team or not.

    But ok lets let the rank 1-2 SWF teams bully rank 15-20 killers and the killers just have to "deal with it"

    Except I've said this several times - Killers at rank one easily get ranked against survivors of all levels, I've had it happen to me, it just happens the lobby system sucks.

    Survivors at low ranks easily get ranked against killers that are 5-10 levels below them.

    If as new survivor is ranking with a better survivor, kill the weak one - move on.

    jfc it's very simple guys - there are ways to beat swf.

  • gamerx42z
    gamerx42z Member Posts: 13

    So who exactly is the "weak one" in my example where I got a team of 4 rank 2 SWF vs me as a level 15? And it's pretty hard to move on when they hold the game hostage refusing to leave the match even when gates are open.

    It's people with your mentality that are making me consider just closing the game every time a SWF team refuses to leave the game when exits are open.

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  • Seanzu
    Seanzu Member Posts: 7,526
    edited September 2018

    @gamerx42z said:
    So who exactly is the "weak one" in my example where I got a team of 4 rank 2 SWF vs me as a level 15? And it's pretty hard to move on when they hold the game hostage refusing to leave the match even when gates are open.

    It's people with your mentality that are making me consider just closing the game every time a SWF team refuses to leave the game when exits are open.

    A team of 4 rank 2's.

    so they queued up with the same ranks, and still got put into a lobby with a rank 15 killer - almost as if it's not the survivor fault and they tried to play fair but still had messed up queue ranks. this

    your statement basically contradicts that survivors queueu intentionally to bully low ranks.

  • gamerx42z
    gamerx42z Member Posts: 13

    If a group is sticking around 10+ minutes after the gates are open vs a killer who is clearly struggling then YES it is bullying. Seriously are you the type that enjoys stomping players that are way below your skill level or something? How is refusing to leave the game after exits are open vs a killer who struggles vs the team not bullying?