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Devs Are Oblivious To How Easy Killer Is
Continously nerfing survivors and buffing of killers since the game was released has made the killer role way too easy. Nerfing survivors over and over, nerfing survivor perks, nerfing map sizes, significantly nerfing survivor defenses, and releasing powerful killer perks, slowgen perks, tracking perks, and buffing perks to be unfair such as tinkerer where it punishes the other side for doing the objective. They are oblivious to how lopsided and easy killer has become. Buffing leatherface, doctor, and clown when they didn't really need it.
Streamers boasting of huge long winstreaks, hardly breaking a sweat, the other side has hardly any chance whatsoever to win. It is not even entertaining to watch. It is not only entertainers. Because you have some experience in killer shouldn't be a green light to win 99% or 99.5% of your games. The devs should stop catering to one side and make the game fair for both sides.
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Daring today, huh.
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I see you're not playing killer yourself.
Being against competent survivors is a pain, a total pain. You HAVE to be experienced and do a lot of multi-tasking as killer to do anything sometimes. Other times you go against potatoes and you can destroy them without even trying.
The real issue here is matchmaking, not the way the game is balanced. It IS easier to play survivor, unless it's pure solo queue.
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A bit hyperbolic, don't you think?
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At least she is dedicated. She will die on this "killers are op" hill need be.
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Is there even anyone who still takes this guy seriously anymore in here?
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You act like killers have never been nerfed before in the entirety dbd's history.
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This guy gonna get flamed
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It would be great if the forums were linked to our DBD accounts in some way, so we could see the rank 18 Killer accounts the people have who post these threads
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Well since killer is so easy why don't you go ahead and show us some of your gameplay? At least 5 different killer games.
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Map sizes are nerfed because Shift + W is so strong even bad survivors can waste a killers time. They're nerfed because most killers can't apply pressure to the vast majority of maps. The side that is stronger tends to get nerfed the most, and that is why a lot of things relating to survivors get nerfed. This shouldn't surprise you. In case you're unaware, the killer is the one that it is 4v1 against, therefore having a strong power and strong perks is necessary. Let's not pretend like survivors don't get new good perks, or don't have more than enough second chance perks. Plenty of survivor streamers also post their winstreaks onto Youtube. It's not impressive for either side, and it's a matchmaking issue, not a killer or survivor issue.
Sounds to me like you're a whiny baby who has zero understanding of the balance in this game, like I'd be wasting my time even trying to argue with someone who complains about Tinkerer or whines that some of the weakest killers in the game receive buffs.
I want to call you a troll but looking at all of your previous comment history? It's really pretty sad to see someone do nothing but complain as much as you do about killer OP. Classic case of a bad survivor who never learns to get better and instead wants everything nerfed.
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Please play killer more.
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Killer is easier to play than it used to be, but you're exaggerating it a lot lol. The only oblivious people here are my teammates and me, asleep, facing the 20th Freddy in a row.
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I'm watching this from the Japan forum and sometimes I see these dumb claims, is this serious? I don't speak English very well, so I'm using a translation, but I think it's not that killers are too strong, it's that the majority of survivors have been asking for nerfs without making any effort to get better. I really don't know if these opinions are really serious because Survivor is bad at it, or if it's just sarcasm from the Survivor mains making such silly claims.
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🤣🤣
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Apparently.
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Apparently
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The poster is a known troll on the English forums just ignore them and don't take the bait.
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I ain't reading all that
I'm assuming you're mad tho
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Nice Bait m8
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Once again, not all survivors are potatoes and killers are skilled.
If competent survivors are a pain, then that might indicate your skill level is significantly less than. From what I see, even competent killers find competent survivors in a 4K. Balancing the game so medicore killers find competent survivors easy would make it even more lopsided.
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Thanks. I learned that there are good people and bad people in every forum. I want to be careful not to get caught in the bait.
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One of them nurse!
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TLDR: Killer is easy, only survivors get nerfed, Buuba, Doc, and Clown didn't need to be buffed, streamers post winstreaks, killers win 99% of games.
This is pretty much all this guy posts about.
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Just gonna say- By making posts like these, all you're trying to do is ruin one entire side's fun.
Anyone with a brain can tell the hierarchy of the game is SWF>Killers>Solo Queue.
Yes, Solo ######### sucks. But I have survived plenty. In both SWF and Solo. The answer is to buff Solo, not nerf killers. That just ruins one entire side's fun it's so insanely obvious that you don't care about one side you aren't even trying.
We only need to nerf things that are TRULY problematic- Yes, including DS and Undying. Whenever you post you never talk about killers as if they are actually people- Just literal, unbeatable monsters.
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Is this a joke?
Like, are you for real there or did you just swapped "survivors" and "killers" words in your mind and still managed to wrote that whole post without noticing it?
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We had the same thought lol
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Sounds like someone at casual skill level complaining about killers playing at the swf level. It's not a design issue, skilled killers have just adapted to the base level counters survivors throw at them.
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...apparently so. The bait is strong with this one
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A SWF is not automatically stronger than killer, that is a myth killers spread around.
I saw the stats and SWF was barely better than solo. Solo sucks because of balance changes over time making killers too overpowered. Undying tilted the game very massively in the favor making it impossible to cleanse Ruin. DS doesn't win a game by having it equipped, but Undying did. It still can actually. A second chance to a very powerful perk.
The goal is to improve the fun for everyone.
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Particularly when the most outrageous claims often come with a statement that says I've got 2K+ hours and I'm a Red Rank Killer and Survivor and got to them in less than a week... yadda.... yadda... yadda. Yeah, I do wish that accounts here had to be linked to a specific Dead by Daylight Steam (or whatever) account and we got to SEE their credentials; I really do.
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No, it isn't- But a SWF has by far the most potential in this game. A co-ordinated SWF will win. Tournaments prove that.
But, that's not what this about. Most people aren't that level, but SWF is still at the top of the pecking order in potential.
The Devs themselves, multiple times, said stats were not to be looked at for balance, because at a glance it is impossible to say why those numbers are high.
Undying did not win games by having it equipped. To do that, everyone would die once it was put on. Stop exaggerating if you want to actually talk about balance. DS and Undying did the exact same thing- Put the other side at a disadvantage either way.
Undying, you either had to cleanse all five totems, or constantly get your aura revealed. The survivor is at a lose-lose.
With DS, Killer's can't do ######### against aggressive plays. A recently unhooked survivor runs to a gen, and does it in the face of the killer. The killer now has three options- Just let the survivor get free progression, down and slug the survivor, in which nine times out of ten that said something survivor has Unbreakable, negating any pressure the killer might've had. Or the killer picks them up, and takes a 5 second stun- Completely getting rid of their pressure.
Both perks deserved to be changed, because of what you mentioned- Fun. Old Ruin was changed primarily because it wasn't fun- It didn't do jack ######### against old players, and ruined new players experience. Undying was changed because it was to oppressive. DS was changed because Killer's that didn't tunnel would CONSTANTLY get hit with it, because they had to stop the survivors. It wasn't fun to go against. Yes, it isn't fun to get tunneled, which is why imo it should get buffed in it's anti-tunnel capabilities. If the change goes through.
Nerfing an entire side, as you so clearly want, wouldn't "make it fun for everyone". It'd make it funner for survivors, and only Survivors.
But I have a feeling you don't care about Killers fun, right?
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Tinkerer does not punish you for doing the Objective.
Dragon's Grip does.
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In public matches, what are the chances of 4 tournament level survivors being in the same lobby? If a killer can beat that, which he still possibly can, then what does that say for everyone else that he versus? They lose.
Devs can say to ignore stats but they are still important.
That is an exaggeration you are making boldly about DS once again. "Killer can't do anything with DS". You are either tunneling or not keeping track of who you hooked. And if they used Unbreakable, then they the 1-time use perk is now gone. They are using two perks for that. Do you then think Devour Hope and Undying is fair? Survivors have to stop working on objectives to find another objective. Most killers that complain about this has actually won the match anyway.
Even at first glance I thought Ruin was nerfed but it seems to have been buffed because of how easy killers can apply pressure, you can get a lot of value from new Ruin. I can't count how many times I had a gen at 99% and a Freddy teleports to it with Tinkerer or any other killer for that matter and it totally reset. 1/5th of the survivor objective gone. And we are complaining about DS or Unbreakable giving a health state?
I'm not even for a huge nerf for killers, but there is a lot of little things that add up, particularly perks, perhaps relooking how maps are designed again to give survivors a little better chance. Killers don't necessarily have to 4K to have fun.
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And what do you look for during your Killer matches to have fun?
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I mean, this is the type of posts that BVHR has to put up with. It could be someone whose like purple rank and struggles with the game but I think its more likely someone that is rank 1 survivor that does not roflstomp the killer hard enough and does not win enough. if anything, most of what he wrote is not even true. top-tiers killers have only gotten worse. Nurse,Spirit & Billy are considerably worse than what they used to be. Freddy and Huntress are likely to be next on chopping-block. Apart from Tinkerer become average info/stealth perk, all the relevant perks that slowdown generators have become worse & ever since plague(which is like 10 chapters), there hasn't been a single killer perk added to the game. Killer updates are marginal improvements, They're better than what they were but nothing that strong team can't handle.
Its really just git gud at the end of the day as it always was for survivor.
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How tf did this troll get any upvotes cmon guys we all know survivors have received a ton of nerfs because they are needed.
Take the nerfs like just go look at what was nerfed im sorry but most of it is nerfs to OP things like pallet vacuums, insta heals/repairs, BS window vaults, gen time, and of course extremely broken perks like old DS and MoM.
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Cooperation is extremely powerful and stats are pretty unreliable as it doesn't tell what happens in those games that lead to the result of the end stats.
like take every info perk in the game that can basically be replicated through communication then add another perk called "Constant team info" where you know what your team needs, wants, and is doing.
oh and obviously lets not forget that you can preset who you play with so you don't have to deal with bad teammates and also know what each of those other players are running AND you don't need to run any healing since your team can take care of that extremely easily since you all basically are running super bond.
As for proof just go look at dbd hosted tournaments only two killers reliably deal with high end swf and even then they can lose.
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For you, OP.
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Maybe play something other than Stridor Spirit or Forever Freddy and you might just learn something new.
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Maybe killer is easy because survivors are bad? As long as I see red rank survivors with full meta perks which are running a straight line against a nurse, i dont think, that it is an balance issue. It's a skill issue.
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Great words like always my friend. But I lost alredy the hope that the Devs care for the fun in playing survivor. Just look at the instand q times for survivor and the 5-10 min as Killer :(
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I mean, sure. Since the patch, I've been getting constantly 3 or 4 man escapes as solo survivor. Killers only get more kills when someone suicides on the first hook.
And all of this with the desync issue, that will probably be fixed by the next week. Once that's gone, killers are left with ridiculous quick matches.
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What?? Most of this Nerfs was not good, so what are you talking about?
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Killer is the power role, they're supposed to be stronger than survivor. It takes a lot of skill to properly verse a killer to consistently beat them or run them around a long time. Is working as intended don't sweat it.
If you think it's unfair just play Killer instead.
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Alright buddy you're starting unnecessary drama. You're making people feel bad for maining killer and it's ridiculous. I think you need some fresh air man, take a break from DBD or something.
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If you get a so called bunch of potatos then yea it's easy but when you have to face a full red rank swif that have thousands of hours each and know every tile on every map then your in for a gell of a ride
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Undying isn't even the real problem. The real problem is Ruin.
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Tinker does punish you. It summons a stealth killer to whack your hiny.
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Hand in hand with their best friend ilovedemo from these forums. 🤝⚰️
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SWF has the most potential but the OP isn't wrong in saying that SWF isn't automatically stronger than Killer.
Your "hierarchy" is meaningless because the truth is that only in the highest levels of play do SWF beat killer. And it takes 4 skilled survivors in comms to do that against a good killer. The truth is in actual play most survivor teams (whether 4-man SWF, Mixed or Solo) are not playing at that level.
Tournament play is the upper 0.1% of the playerbase. So while SWF has the strongest potential, the fact of the matter is most games never reach that potential, because it takes a lot of skill and teamwork to achieve that.
The real truth of the matter is survivors die in droves out there every day because Killers are the Power Role. Killers like to complain about how weak they are and how helpless they are, but they're doing nobody favors, least of all themselves, by wallowing in the victimhood mentality.
The OP though is no better he's just whining about what a victim he is as a survivor. Like I said, if he doesn't like it he can play Killer instead and see how easy it is.
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