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Camping killer needs fix
Why is it still a thing in this game for killers to not get punished for camping? I play both roles and for killer its way easier and faster to go after all the survivors and not camp the one. Then as a survivor you loose pips because you lost the chase you cant get gen points your on a hook so you cant get chase points so your just loosing out on points because of a camping killer seems very fair. And before you comment yes i know killers loose blood points for camping but that only if another survivor isnt getting chased or are near in the killers terror radius. So at the end of the day survivors take a big L IN THIS situation. Not only that you hardly can win chases with pallet stuns being broke and some survivor perks being broken. Then killers got insaine lunge reach hitting you like mr fantastic from fantastic 4
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But, as you said yourself. Killer DO get punished for camping.
Unless the camped survivor throws the game, the others can complete the remaining gens and pull a rescue, while the killer got 1 or 2 hooks during the whole match.
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What do you propose?
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Camping is not op, just do gens in the mean time and the killer loses with 1 kill.
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Daily post about camping, check.
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Nobody said it's op, it's annoying and stupid move where both parties lose and yes I know it's nobody's job to make other party have fun but common sense exists everyone came to play dbd a horror game not don't blink starring contest
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How do you propose to fix it?
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There's no need to fix it any killer with one braincell won't camp hook this isn't bhvr problem it's problem of people being toxic for no reason unless survs are near hook u have no reason to stay there there's no proper way to fix this if they make it bannable it's not really gonna work as well, if they make hook timer go slower it's also not effective so until ppl put some sense in themselves we will have this problem and camping subject is gonna be forever just like swf subject of being too op
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Killers that feel confident about the situation, don´t feel the need to camp.
But when 3 gens go by the first hook, then i don´t blame the killer for trying to pressure survivors by camping.
Possible solution: Give killers more incentives to leave the hook. Not losing 60% of the objective after the first 1 1/2 minute would be a start. Maybe add bloodpoint bonus for alternating hooks. The more hooks passed between hooking a survivor a second and third time, the higher the bonus.
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Who gets more punished for camping? The camped survivor or the killer?
That is the issue. If I would get points for staying on hook while others do the objective, I wouldnt mind it. But when I'm the one camped, I get nothing in return at all. The killer can still get points if he wants, the camped survivor? Nope.
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Both equally. No one gets points while the killer camps.
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That's a lie and you know it.
You just need one survivor to get closer to you and you moving for you to get chase points as killer.
Also, 2hook stages arent 5 gens, so after the killer facecamps one and that one dies, they still can go and play the game and get more points.
People need to stop saying it is the same when it isnt.
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Actually you as surv die in 2 mins right? Possibly that's 3 gens at maximum including their time finding gens so killer after camping still has a chance small one but has it because game lack of 1 surv meanwhile decreased chances of saving from hooks and doing gens both loses no doubt at all but it's a survivor who gets punished the most
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If the killer stands still and stares at the hook, he won´t get any chase points. But yes, when he engages in a chase with another survivor, he gets points for that. Not many, as those are short chases. But he misses out on hook points, hits and points for using his power.
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Killer usually loses 3 gens by the time he gets his first hook. So with only 2 gens left, survivors can complete those gens (since the killer doesn´t visit them) and still go for the save. Might be a bit risky, as the killer could have NOED. But usually its achievable to get 3 or 4 survivors out.
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Are you talking about swf? Because solo queue is nothing like that and certainly doesn't get 3 gens done in first chase even if it is killer still might have noed and gates needs to be done which is possibly one more kill for them either way there's always 50%:50% for how this game will end for killer depending of team however surv has no chance at all he dies after 2 mins and depips and that's all wow excited match
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I play solo queue only. See the post above.
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It could be up to 4 gens.
Even if the other Survivors goes down immediately, the other two escape for free and the Killer always de-pips.
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You all made a good decision to work on gens and obviously you all were higher rank than a killer that has no other way how to end but escapes even with no camping anyway both loses but surv more
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Killer didn´t start to camp until the gates were powered. He basement camped 2 survivors.
The little points that survivor got, was mainly because we did the gens so quickly. Which IS the main issue and the reason why killers camp.
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Killers do get punished though by the emblem system
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I mean if the gates are powered what are you expeciting the killer to do other than camp. Defend their gens???
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The issue with that is, again solo Q. How many team mates do you have doing gens instead of just being crouched close to the camping killer?
4 gens maybe, in a swf.
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I play solo only and it happens quite often that 3 or 4 survivors escape.
But sure, there are also survivors that rage quit on the first hook, which usually snowballs. But i don´t count those matches. Because those are not normal matches.
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Exactly! The speed at which the gens get done is the core issue here.
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I personally dont think just increasing the amount survivors have to hold 1 button is the solution but I do think gens probably need a looking at. Maybe makes you have to go and find parts before you cna work on a gen/
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Camping at end game is completely fine we're talking about camping in whole match like campinh for no reason but to be toxic endgame camp is in 90% cases needed otherwise u give them free pass and I agree with that but camping during whole match is not it
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This could be easily solved by giving survivors additional objectives like gas cans, fixing cables, etc.
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Thats why i added 2 screenshots. When the killer gets his 2nd down right at the moment the gates are powered, then there is something fundamentally wrong with the balance.
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Camping is a main thing for killers if they want a sacrifice or if they are noobs, it's not that bad, especially if they are mad at the person if they have a disgusting name like mcnasty_m*** or Bignecknoah. Just don't be mad about it because it's their destiny and if you have the right perks on the job, and if you got Borrowed Time, Deliverance, Decisive Strike, and Soul Guard (Combine that with Unbreakable if they continue to camp at the exit gate), they will be very mad, especially any kind of killer.
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I also play solo 99% and in red ranks, and in more than 4k hours, and even with me using kindred, more often than not they still dont do gens.
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Sorry but I play killer for months and I main plague and pig two not most powerful killers and that never happened to me y'all either are low ranks or inexperienced there's no possible way for all gens to be done with two downs never ever happened to me if it does killer is doing something largely wrong
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I don't think people generally care that much about emblems.
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exactly it would be cool if survivors had to find a part before they can work on a gen
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Idk. Some Solo Q Survivors are like that, but a lot just slam gens.
They can't last 10 seconds in a chase, but they CAN hit skillchecks.
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Maybe its an area thing. But really, i don´t have any issues as solo. Its not as bad as most people claim. I even played during the desync patch. Instant lobbies and the this issue wasn´t really that bad.
I guess most people exagerate.
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You could always share some screenshots of your matches. But i play since 2016. Seen a lot of changes and the gens never flied so fast as now. Even when BNP instantly repaired a gen, those matches were easily avoidable by dodging toolboxes. But now? No toolbox required.
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Survivor lobbies are also instant for me during the day (EU). Team mate quality is below average though.
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Maybe we can hook up from time to time. Same area.
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What else do you want? There are perks to punish camping, killers emblems get punished for camping, killers BP gets punished for camping, and survivors have a lot of time to do gens to punish a camping killer.
That's like...every category it can be punished.
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Lol yeah I know.
I had a game not too long ago where I hooked one survivor and the other three were around the hook (like 10meters honestly). Id hit them as they went close but at the end of the game they all called.me a camper and I wasn't being fair.
Bruh... all of my objectives are right there. Sorry I don't purposefully lose.
One of them eventually understood that it made sense why I defended hook while the other 3 continued to bash me lol
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Is facecamping at 5 gens being part of being a killer? Damn I've been playing killer wrong all along
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Someone who gets face camped at 5 gens doesn´t deserve the escape anyway.
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Give me a reason on how you just said it's not just a bs generalization?
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So we should be thinking about those 9 times out of 10, which is 90%.
As someone who plays solo and has kindred on all my builds, those 90% do it just to be toxic, not because they need to do it to win. It's not even done to "win/lose", is done to be petty.
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as much as i hate camping i dont see them fixing it. realistically i dont know how they could without adding an abusable feature. there are also situations where you pretty much cant do anything but camp (lets say theres 1 guy on the hook and you know for sure that all of them are at the exit gate and as soon as you leave the person is going to get unhooked). overall, i dont know how they could possibly fix camping without making 50% of the playerbase quit
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Gettng face camped at 5 gens means 2 things:
- the camped survivor played bad and went down to fast
- the other survivors didn´t do gens
Both things are bad.
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Problem is it also punished the survivors that escape since their emblems get ######### over because the camping killer refuses to interact with the other players.
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I mean somewhat. Survivors should easily get a pip if they do gens while killer camps and they escape
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Emblems are trash anyway.
But i wouldn´t care to much about ranks. Since they will only serve to messure how much someone played during a month, once the new mmr drops.
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