Camping killer needs fix
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Only problem with that is, it doesn't solve the primary issue with camping, that is how boring it is.
I'm not opposed to the suggestion mind you. I've seen a number of posts about treating it like distracting a killer during a chase for light bringer, they make sense and tie in well
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Honestly? I'm starting to wonder about you, perhaps this playing dumb isn't just an act. You honestly cannot discern different concepts from one another can you? You are so drown in your bias that you cannot look at the game objectively. You seem totally unable to follow the conversation we have been having for hours, and still are mixing different things together as if they are the same. I felt better when I thought you were playing stupid as a rhetorical trick. The other option is too horrible to consider. There is literally nothing I can say that makes you look worse than you do yourself, every single time you post. At this point, I feel like I'm clubbing a baby seal.
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Sorry didn't see an answer in there? Its almost like your points about player agency were all bs, but I'll give you another shot.
If moris requiring an offering doesn't reduce Killers to bots why would doing the same thing to camping be such an issue from the perspective of your don't prevent camping it turns player into bots argument?
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Because a Mori is not a tactic you nimrod. A Mori is an animation that plays for fun, particularly now that they basically replace the third hook. The Mori was a shortcut, not unlike Keys. Tactics and Offerings do not function the same way in the game. If we took your insane logic to its logical conclusion, the Killer would have to put in an Offering to get to decide who he/she gets to chase when someone is unhooked. Choosing the same person twice in a row would require an Offering for some reason. Or your same idiotic logic would mean I can't slug more than one person in a row unless I put in an offering to decide not to hook this person yet. Are you still unable to follow this? Are you still unable to understand why tactics, i.e. Player Agency is different and necessary to the game?
You are new and don't have that many hours. We know exactly when you started playing because you comment on it in your early posts. You also play mostly Survivor (that is also in your posts) so you have a skewed, self-serving way of looking at the game. I play both Survivor and Killer in equal measure and my hours dwarf yours. In turn, there are people whose hours make mine look so insignificant that you couldn't graph them in comparison. Those people will tell you pretty much the same thing I have been (and so have others). This isn't about "us versus them". Most of us play both roles, far more of us in fact than people like you who only play one. We have a broader, more rounded view of the game than you do and to be honest more experience. Nobody is trying to tell you that being camped is fun. I don't enjoy sitting on the hook anymore than you do. That is why I practice looping, ask questions about how to get better, and work on my evading/stealth. I take steps in the game to mitigate my chances of being on that hook. However, I also understand that sometimes I NEED to be on it for the team. I don't shirk that duty either. I'm playing to win as a Survivor just as I'm playing to win as a Killer. Sitting on that hook is part of the dues you pay.
What part of they aren't changing it for you do you not understand? :) What part of you being a whining, blame others for your own problems type of person do you not understand? I noticed that you didn't answer me when I asked you why I never found a single post where you ask for help in how to play better and deal with Camping, Tunneling, Slugging, etc. I found lots of posts where you report weird little problems you had on this map or doing so and so, but NOTHING in regards to you trying to better you play. Why is that? Are you already perfect? Shall we play a game right now and you demonstrate to me (we can eve broadcast it) how excellent you are at this game and thus your knowledge must be right. I mean, someone who never asks for help must know it all already right? Why is it I'm only finding posts where you complain about others and the game, but never any where you take responsibility?
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Man it's so weird here you said without mori or any of the other four listed Killers are basically Bots. Chase engines I 5hink you called them. But I'm pretty sure I asked you to clarify if that's what you meant
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Hey look here you are clarifying thay loosing any one of the five reduces them to bots
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But here its changes again now moris aren't important just an animation
I'm surprised you called me a nimrod for thinking moris were vital to the game and players without the option to use them were nothing more than Bots where could I have gotten that idea from I wonder......
You keep drastically changing your points. First moris were among the 5 sacred things killers needed to be more than mere bots. Now moris don't mean a thing about player agency.
You want to go back and change your position again or just admit nothing about agency matters to you, you just Wana camp. Honestly it's not like your alone in wanting to do so just be upfront and honest about it
Edit sorry about the three posts apparently I'm not very good with quotes, was supposed to be one large post
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Your lack of reading comprehension isn't actually helping your arguments; you have to know that right? This is sad. It is time for you to put up or shut up. Why are NONE of your posts asking for help? You pretty much hit the ground running in complaining about the game from the very start. Why is that? Isn't it customary for someone to learn how to play something before they blame their problems on others? Let's see what you are made of. Clearly you and I have time right now. Let's get game on and I'll stream it. I think it could very fun, educational for both of us.
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SWF needs fix
but you're not ready for that discussion
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<laughs> Which of us are you talking to?
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Huh you seen to have completely ignored the whole you keep drastically changing your position in things part of my post.
Since your reading comprehension is so good could you read that first of three quotes and tell me if moris are important to player agency. The second one is pretty online with the first but Then read the third one about how there notting more than animations and see if you can find a consistently held believe in there.
I'm not sure which you believe at this point are moris important like you first stated or nothing important like your last post. Maybe you could clarify which of your posts is your actual belief and which is bs?
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Pretending you didn't hear me call you out just now doesn't mean it didn't happen. Come on... time to pay the piper... are we doing this or what? You haven't explained why you have never made a single post asking for help in dealing with the most basic problems. You haven't answered my direct question as to why you don't take any personal responsibility for your failures. I just threw down the gauntlet. Since you clearly don't need help, you must be AWESOME at this game. It is time for you to prove it. If we are to put any weight behind your words, you need to demonstrate that you have the skills and knowledge to make these suggestions on how to "fix" things in regards to camping. Clearly you seem to think you know more than people who have been here since the very start. PROVE IT. I'm sitting in custom room right now Yellow Belly... are we on or are you crying off?
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Sorry just to be clear here your not gonna admit you were full of it and instead your response is come fight me outside?
I want ignoring your point about why I didn't make a post about asking for help with basic problems is I'm not sure what problems you seem to think I've had with the game thay needed help.
If you've read through my posts I'm sure you've seen some about the bugs in the game I remebr asking about some of the challenges not working and it turned out they only worked on one map for some reason it that's what your looking for fine.
As for playing you what precisely are you proposing for a match?
Edit I still expect an answer to my question first
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Take your argument all the way, then: should killers just be allowed to hack or cheat? It'd give them extra agency and might get us more killers!
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Simple. You can be Killer and Camp and Tunnel or Slug or any combination you want to your heart's content to prove to us that it is broken. We will just play Survivor and try to get out. If your whining, mewling (endless) screeds about Camping are correct, we shouldn't stand a chance against you right?
I mean, I'd offer to play Killer but what would that prove? We already know you don't have what it takes to play Survivor. And my stomping you backwards and forwards (even with a team of your friends) isn't relevant to the points you have failed to make. I've got two other guys and a gal willing to take part already. I need the content, plan on making you a Blooper Reel. And if you show us up, prove your point, I'll still stream it.
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No. The words hack/cheat are pretty clearly disqualifiers. :) Remember I play this game by three rules:
- Don't cheat, either by hack or lag spike.
- Don't disconnect; if you start a game, finish it.
- Be humble in victory and gracious in defeat.
If the DEV said tomorrow that Camping is cheating, I wouldn't do it. Player Agency is the legal, valid choices inside the game. The thing is the DEV have already stated, over and over again, that those are valid tactics and it is up to Survivors to figure out how to deal with them in the game.
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I'm still waiting for my answer.
Wait so to be clear you said earlier that you read through mynposts and deduced I was a survivor main, shouldn't have been hard considering I've stated as much a few times, then you challenge me to a match becuas I called you on your bs, but you want me to play the killer instead of the survivor.?
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Yes, I do. I know this is difficult for you to understand. You have demonstrated over and over again that you can't follow the arguments. But let me sum it up for you, I'll use little words and numbered points:
- You indicate that you think Camping is a problem.
- You indicate in several of your posts that you think it is OP.
- If it is as bad as you indicate, you should have no problem wiping the floor with us.
You playing Killer and using the tactics that you say are problematic is the only way to prove your point. I'm fine playing Killer in our little test if you can figure out a way to prove your point with me doing so?
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Okay, so the only thing separating camping from cheating, in your book, is what the devs permit?
And you assume the devs are infallible then, yes?
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Alright fair enough I'll come up with a way to test out camping with as few variables as possible. In the meantime you answer my question. Or admit you were full of it either way works for me.
Is there a particular killer your prefer I play? Not Bubba though I hate him
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Yes. This is THEIR world; we just play in it. If I take out a Chess board and we set the little fold out rules that come with the cheapies you buy today, we can see how to play. Those are the infallible rules of Chess. You can I could, personally, make any rules we want for the pieces. *Just like you can go and play CUSTOM GAMES with your friends and play by whatever extra restrictions you want to your hearts content, but those won't apply to anyone else. Do you see my point?
This is the game. The rules are not obfuscated. We don't get to add extra ones, only the DEV get to do that. We can disagree with them, and whine away our hours here rather than actually playing the game, but that won't change anything. In the end, we only have power over ourselves and our own actions. Thus, it is more productive to ask yourself, "what can I do to mitigate these obstacles I'm running into in matches?"
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No. Until you prove you have ANY credentials, even the smallest ounce of skill, your words and silly questions are moot. You haven't fooled anyone reading this thread, and I'm glad you did what you did because as people read through it, you are advertising your personal defects. At this point, YOU are the one trying to change the status quo. That means the weight is on YOU to prove that it needs changing, and that YOU are the person with the right suggestions. The onus was never on me because I'm fine with playing the game as the DEV state it is to be played. You are the one wanting change, and you are the one who has to meet a minimum bar. I think you are stalling and crying off. I will await with baited breath for you to get back with us (try for sometime this week please... I need the funny content) with exactly how I'm going to be Killer to prove your weird points. Until you prove you have any standing talking about this game, you are a joke. Get cracking.
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All right then, close the feedback forums. All feedback is hereby declared redundant. The game simply 'is what it is' and striving to make it any better is a waste of time.
Pallet glitches are fine, you just have to deal with BT bodyblocks, visionary is fine and monstrous shrine doesn't need any changes. No, we're not going to decrease the grind, we're not even sure why we bothered updating the UI, Haddonfield should stay as is, and you all just have to deal with Trickster.
Y'all are on your own, deal with it.
I am so glad you're not a dev.
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It is funny you should say that for a number of reasons, but that is a fair opinion. I'm glad I'm not a DEV too. :)
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Hahahaha so first you can't keep your own points consistent and now its
my points don't matter unless I play you in a match first.
And then I'd imagine you have some other excuse lined up as to why your unable to give a strait answer.
I've made it clear that I think your disingenuous in your arguments, that all they stuff about player agency was just a mask to hide behind the truth which is you like to camp.
I've been pretty open about my issues I don't like camping becuase its boring and I suppose although I didn't state it directly in this thread yes there isn't really much of anything you can do about it as the survivor. If you camped it's just a sit and wait and then press struggle till you fall asleep from boredom.
But as I said if you want to play then I expect you to stop changing your points partway through and pretending you didn't.
Give me a strait answer, we're you full of it when you said moris were supper important to Player agency or were you full of it when you said that moris don't matter at all.
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Come on Yellow Belly... the night it getting long. It is time, in the parlance of Perk for you to PROVE THYSELF. I'm not letting you squirm out of this and no amount of your inane misdirection is going to work. The only thing I'm going to respond to from you is where, when, and how... or that you are crying off. From this point on, you have to prove your qualifications for why you think you know what is best for the game and how it needs to be changed. You need to prove why you think you know better.
On a productive note, you did help me with the writer's block. I've a slimy little weasel of a character I'm adding in the chapter I'm outlining. I'll be writing a few pages of that for a bit and check back in later to see if you are ready yet. Again, no more evasions, no more banter... time for you to PROVE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS. If you can't, or won't, I'm not wasting anymore time with you. We are on display right now... clock is ticking.
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I told you I'd play to test out camping if you'd give me a strait answer. Unlike you I don't change mind from post to post so if you actually give me a strait answer about if you were full of it when you said moris were super important to Player agency, or if you were full of it when you said that moris don't mater I'll Playtest with you.
He'll I've got nothing to lose if you can teach me a way to stop the killer from camping me then great. If you die ill laugh sowin win I'm extra game. I've got the set up i think figured out on how to test it as well.
It's getting a bit late tonight here but I'm free most of tommorow evening if that works for you, Wednesday I've got an hour or two around 7 (it's after midnight here for referenfe) but Thursday I'm busy I'm afraid. If those times don't work for you let me know.
Like I said if your actually prepared to play me to show me how easy it is for you escape from the killer great just answer my question and let's go. If you were just full if it when you said you wanted to play well I guess I'm a little dissipated but it would be par for the coarse for how you've been acting So I can't say I'm surprised.
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I'm not playing rhetoric with you. We are doing this or not. I need the setup if I'm the Killer, or if me and the others are the Survivors (with you the Killer) I need to see if tomorrow night works for them. I will cede you the courtesy that it is late and you might have places to be in the morning where we do not.
For the record, I'm perfectly willing to tell you how to mitigate Camping and help you. I've always been willing to help. I consider it an obligation to our community (and beneficial to myself too) to ensure we keep Players and they get better. Better Players mean more challenging games. When I'm Killer, I want to be fighting against Survivors that roar like lions. A rising tide lifts all boats.
My problem with you and a lot of your previous threads is the approach and lets be honest, the arrogance. I know arrogance. It is my sin too. Like recognizes like. I see too much of me in you, so it pisses me off. I am working hard to control those tendencies, to speak without the actual knowledge, to brag without having earned it, to assume an air of authority that isn't justified. I'm as guilty as you and have done all those things in the past, and I have to fight myself every day to keep the bias from blinding me. Self awareness is your friend. We lie best when we lie to ourselves.
Right now, for example, I'm starting to lecture you. I'd rather help you. That is what this entire long exchange has been about. Believe it or not, I'd rather show you how to deal with the problem than talk about flights of fancy where the DEV come in and fix it. Let's be pragmatic, you and I, that isn't going to happen. In this case, we must make our own solutions. And for what it is worth, there are lots of Players more seasoned, wiser, and talented than myself that will also help you. They helped me. I remember a time when I cursed the stars, let my blood pressure blast through the roof when I sat there camped. I was certain I had the answers and there was no way possible this was happening because I wasn't good enough. Well, you know what... turns out I was the problem. :) I got some help.
It is petty of me to try and bully you into a match that I can make content out of. And the nasty side of me still wants to do it if you are game. But I applaud and respect that you are willing to give it a go. With that in mind, let's do this right with courtesy and mutual respect. I apologize for insulting your intelligence; I reread my comments and I broke my own standards. You were trying to push my buttons, but that doesn't excuse the personal attacks. Give me what you have worked out if I am the Killer; I can probably work my schedule around what you are asking for but I won't promise it until I talk to my gal. I can't speak for the other three if we are being the Survivors. Or, you and I can start a new thread and try to help lots of people, talking about solutions and what WE as Players can do. And we can do some games and record the video to demonstrate what we come up with. You might surprise yourself (and me) and come up with some tactics that work yourself. I learn something new every day from the people I play with and against.
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it doesnt
it depends on how fast he got the down, could easily be 2 kills.
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Next time you show pics of this please include the gen count.
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The solution is easy but will never be done because it requires actual programming. Make the hooks take the survivor somewhere random like pphead cages. Increase gen times or gen count to leave.
Done.
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You wanna tell me ur only way to get guaranteed kill is to camp? Good
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The solution is actually even easier and is already in the game.
Rush gens.
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Idk what to tell you man lol maybe stick to survivor 😂
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Excuses excuses imagine thinking camping is only way to get 1 kill lmao
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No it's not it wastes 2 mins you lose everything rank, win and all together to get challenge done it's not how it works
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There's nothing to understand tho I'll just say git gud
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I don't have to I actually can get kills with no doing starring contest which u lack of obviously
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Camp for a reason is justfied for example survs around hook, endgame etc but u said camping to get 1 kill that's ain't it
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