Otzdarva is proving you that the game is not Survivor sided
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What a stupid premission
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Otz lost it when he decided to say Freddy was bottom 5, sorry.
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Otz isnt your average player, though im sure he means well using data from a hardcore player isnt going to go ve you good results
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I like Otz but yeah, no idea where he was coming from with that. On the other hand a lot of streamers and people in general usually have one unusual out of place pick so I can't hold it against him.
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Thats why I said its the most balanced dbd will get. Because lets say you allowed pinhead to have engineers fang in comp.... well yeah see how fast chases end. Or blight c33 so pre dropping is even less affective against him. Thats when it would stray slightly into the killers favor.
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refer to this ^
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Those 50wins in a row with each killer he does, impressive to a degree but the majority of those matches are against literal Bambi survivors. Otzdarva has a rumored photographic memory and relates a lot of situations playing killer to every single little nook and cranny of gameplay from the past to present which leaves him to be an overrated redundant streamer/killer imo..
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Thing is, you are 100% assuming survivors are always aware of their teammates.
The game is survivor sided whenever a match starts, as it's supposed to be(if it were not, you'd need more survivors or more resources untill it is). Then over the course of the game, the game gets more and more into the killers' favor.
Genspeeds are fine. Anyone thinking genspeeds are too fast are either not creating enough pressure where pressure is needed, or they dont want to put pressure where its needed and refuse to run perks that does that job for them.
And most pallets are unsafe, you'd want a ton of unsafe pallets because if you play it right you'd get a hit.
So in general, the game isnt as survivor sided as people claim it is. Yeah, it starts out in favor of survivors, but it can very easily be turned to the killers favor, especially when the killer puts pressure where its needed.
I have played games without using perks and addons against survivors that were better at survivor than I was at that killer, and still ended up with 3k's and 4k's before the final gen is done, simply because they didnt have perfect communication.
Only once a ping system is added for survivors are you dealing with comp-level survivor teams running 4 ds, unbreakables and bt's.
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This.
Also, I saw a comment like this coming as soon as I started reading the thread 😂
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what?
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He's proving nothing. The only way to prove something is watching professionals play against professions, not against random survivors.
Every other DbD comment until 2020 had killers demolished and we had very strong killers (unerfed pinhead, blight, spirit), and nothing of boon totems. As it is now. I'm very sure we would have 0 kills every match.
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Again it's 4man -swf sided most balanced 2-3 man and solo is left in the dust
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This is something I already knew and have been saying for a long time.
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Isnt this hot off the press of him making a video on a community concenus of high MMR sucking for killers?
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So much this. Against the truly terrifying teams you have no choice but to set up and defend hard while keeping them locked in your little fun zone so you can patrol a few gens and bleed them out slowly or hope you get lucky and can tunnel someone out quick.
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I'm not surprised Otz would say that. I take a lot of what Otz, ScottJund, OhTofu, etc etc say about SWF and survivor balancing with a grain of salt because they're monetarily incentivized to attract people to watch their streams, sub, and content. There are 4x more survivors to appeal to and I don't think they want to hear about how skilless baby mode SWF is. tru3 is like the only one that doesn't seem to care about that, but he's not nearly as big as Otz
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Otz is also objectively proven wrong by the comp scene as mentioned earlier on in the thread. Unless Otz thinks he's better than comp players despite me being unable to find videos of Otz ever facing comp teams.
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As someone who works with data every day I hate the misuse of the word proven.
All he has done is demonstrated HE is capable of winning like that, nothing more. You should expect him to be capable like that, the guy plays the game non stop as his job.
Its a completely incomparable amount of sunk time to the average gamer and proves nothing except Otz is good at the game.
There is no broader interpretation and to do so is a gross misuse of the term proven.
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Bruh... Otz plays this game for living... you can't compare top 1% killer to the rest...
By your logic, every killer is dogshit, because top 1% survivor teams can genrush litearlly every single killer with easy (except for Spirit where they have to guess)
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You’re missing the point. At the highest level of play you get to see how the game really works; this is the case for every multiplayer game.
There’s a reason why out of 26 killers, only 3 or 4 can compete when everyone is playing optimally. That reason doesn’t just affect tournaments, and spills over into other skill levels, resulting in the feedback we see on the forums.
Yes, the feedback. Some of it whiny, sure. But much of it is constructive, and regardless of the emotional state of the author, said feedback is overwhelmingly consistent.
As for the video, there are many variables. It’s solo queue. Need I say more?
You’ve said yourself, Otz plays for a living. He’s talented in mastering games and entering rigorous mindsets to achieve greatness in games he loves.
A video showing him do well at the game he specialises in, whilst playing solo queue, only proves that his time has been well spent.
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It doesn't guarantee it, but your chance is way better than without it. No way out can work same.
BT + DS don't really do that much, at least not for me. I never try to go after unhooked person when camping, my target is always that one unhooking, that way I get more hooks, because they will go for more saves.
And it doesn't change fact that he said, based on big data that Nurse is survivor-sided...
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Not really, I am talking when he grouped up as SWF and doing hardcore survivor challenges.
Btw you want to tell me that Otz went against comp team only? No, they did some really stupid stuff.
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Otzdarva is great for tips and tricks on how to play both sides and he knows the ins and outs of Dead by Daylight. He probably knows them better than anyone on this planet and is probably one of the best players. I wouldn't use him as an example for what side this game favors, especially when he's your only reason for saying the game is killer sided.
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I’m not sure where Otz allegedly said Nurse is “survivor sided”, you have a link? Because on his killer tier list last month he put her as the “indisputable” number 1 killer in the game.
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I am not talking about Otz.
You know, there is usually reason why you Quote comments, so everyone can understand context... I am talking about that guy, who did wrote it in this post...
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Sorry, I must have misread something then, thought you were talking about Otz for some reason (probably because every other post is about what Otz said.)
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He played killer in the BOTB tournament with team Gentlemen and iirc placed 3rd or 4th. The games might still be on Hexy's YT channel.
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Post is about what Otz did and yeah Otz is amazing killer, but that just doesn't mean anything when he plays against normal players, but his game with Plague in hexys tournament was really good.
That guy I quoted was talking about big data kill rates and trying to say it means something even tho it's just useless.
I would wanna see hook average tho and mainly pick rate, Deathslinger's pick rate must be so funny. I think pick rate must be really bad for some killers, that's why they didn't show it last time and showed only killrate that looks "better".
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I think the stats I want to see are kill and escape rates filtered specifically to matches where all the players are within a narrow band of each other in terms of MMR, particularly when everybody is at above average MMR. Since slugging is an intentional possible strategy in the game I’m probably less interested in hooks - an Oni or Hag who slugs all four people is still a perfectly valid 4k for instance even though they technically didn’t hook as many times (assuming you are counting actual hooks and not just stages.)
Too bad there’s no good public database for that.
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The only thing he proved is that he was a better player than the others matched against him.
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Sorry for potato quality. Trues current games streak top left
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Otz has a long history now of using Data, that he himself gathered (which already makes the data nearly worthless), for conclusions that are not logically the conclusions the data allows. Its a clear case of someone oversestimating himself a little bit when it comes to stuff like that. Thats totally normal and okay. Data is especially prone to logical fallacies and we all use it wrong sometimes.
That beeing said, everything else about him is great and i do not think that it is a bad habit to try shift perspectives. His Data though and in this particular case is 100% useless and i would be rather suprised if Otz really tried to prove what OP is suggesting. He himself knows that wins and winstreaks mean nothing. He and Tru3 pointed that out when having a discussion about that. He also pointed to Survivor Winstreaks to further cement that. So i am actually rather surprised that some people are saying now that he is trying to prove that the game is not survivor sided. He also stated himself that at high level it rather is survivor sided (same discussion with Tru3). Go and watch it.
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well yeah and otz plays at nights when a lot of bad survivors come home to play dbd after their hard work. nights are ez, but broad daylight is hard. it's no wonder why he doesn't stream in broad daylight.
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You cannot bring ghostface to the level of height tier killers simply because of who he is. You have a knife and a white mask to work with. All you have to do is change survivor things like tiles, gen speed, perks and after you nerf all of that then nerf killer add ons and perks. Remove gen defence perks and change them to do something different when the devs fix gen speed. Disable gen slowdown perks in the meantime while the devs change them and maybe the game will be fun for both sides
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But people do have time to get good at games like fortnite or cod or any competitive game? Why not dbd? They have time.
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DBD isn't competitive lmao
It's balance is reminiscent of Mario Kart.
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1. Professional Streamed matches are somewhere on the legitimacy scale between pro wrestling match and a carnival game.
2. If they were legit as shown, they would be showing a man who literally spends more time playing Dbd than most people do working, against randoms, some of which, going by the video, haven't even gotten their chosen characters far enough along to have unlocked all of their perk slots and l3 versions of the perks they are using (lot of greens, lot of missing spaces), which, if anything is just further evidence that the mmr is not functioning as well as it could be.
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Did you even listen to what I said? I said why do people have time to get good at games like cod or fortnite (which are games that take more skill) but don't have time to get good at dbd.
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Most games with Blight are a 4k for killer and he has a number of his add-ons blocked from use. The same is true for Nurse and Spirit. And in the most recent tourney every single Oni got a 4k. I don't think it's as one sided as you claim at a competitive level. If anything if competitive groups were allowed to run Blight and Nurse back to back I actually think it's the survivors who would be at a disadvantage.
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If you gonna go for "use everything possible", the game is certainly survivor sided anyway.
Killers can 4k them only because of restrictions.
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There was a tourney where nothing was off limits and it was an average of 2k.
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Tf does guessing have to do with gen rushing?
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The same guy who admitted he'd get stomped and lose his 50 win streak if he goes against good survivors. He's not special. The game is simple and wat easier to get good at than any other game. Any team otz can beat I can beat, which still means we have to get lucky to beat. It's just that otz doesn't complain much about the game because he doesn't get tilted and no one wants to see him get tilted on stream
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Balance wise, it may be closer to even. However, that being said... and I believe even Otz would agree with this - it takes considerably more work as a killer to get good results as it does as a survivor. AND, fighting better players as killer feels considerably worse as they are stuck in a game they are powerless to affect. A survivor who gets camped or tunneled out is out of the game and into the next is out of that miserable experience considerably faster.
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Honestly... Otz is a good Killer and understands what Survivors are doing (going to do)
So that means Only good Killers using sweat builds can actually win the game.... Just saying (half joking of course)
If he did that but not using any Perks but using the good addons... it would be different... Or not using Addons but using Perks (can't say to use lesser tiered Perks cause he doesn't have any... so yea)
There are many experiments one can do to get a result...
Also I do want to see how it goes when no one uses Perks, Items and Addons (And some Offerings... I guess)
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People argue its killer sided only at low to mid MMR. Fair point.
Then they argue its not killer sided at high MMR.
The arguement here as always is 'well otz is a pro' (i.e. the highest MMR).
So which is it, either otz at probably one of the highest MMR is proving that killer is viable and strong, or people who think theyre high MMR actually arent as good or as high as they think.
Stats wise the game at all levels and overall has never been an average 50/50 kills vs escapes so its pretty hard to argue that the game isnt overall a killer sided game in most circumstances (i.e. against solo queues or duos etc). Which is what most games are.
Killer is super frustrating against really good 4 man teams and there are times you get absolutely obliterated, especially if you play remotely 'nice' but thats generally not even 50% of the games.
I find it 10x easier to level and rank up killer and kill 3 or 4 survivors in most matches than playing survivor as a solo, duo or 3 or 4 man and trying to get more than 2 of us to escape....
I get the frustration though, i love playing killer but its way more stressful than playing survivor.
Both sides are frustrating for different reasons.
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This community confuses me sometimes because I always see people complaining the game should be balanced around the highest levels of MMR and that it's totally survivor sided up there, but then whenever someone points out that these pro killers (who can all assume are at the highest levels of MMR) are out here slapping survivors left and right and getting 4ks, everyone is like "well of course THAT person can do it, they have X amount of hours"
So..... it seems like killers can do just fine at high MMR if they have the skill to do so and people who aren't doing well just aren't as good at the game as they think?
Like, make it make sense.
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To me it's the comparison between "best ball player on the block" and "plays in the NBA".
Also yeah, most people on both sides have no clue what their real skill level is
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Killers don't want to git gud. Survivors are expected to become "pros", all four of them on the team have to play perfectly to have a chance at winning. Way more is expected from the survivor side while expecting very little from the one killer.
Whenever survivors lose, the survivors are just bad.
Whenever the survivors win, the game is survivor sided.
Survivors are expected to all play as good as Ayrun in perfect formation, but the killer is not expected to be as good as Otz.
This is why killers are overpowered.
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Otz is a good guy, but it is plain wrong to take his or someone else's opinion and call them the truth. People who play this game over and over again for a living have a very different view of things that may not represent the reality most of us see in our matches.
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