Other Solutions to Legion in 2v8
I know according to dbd twitter and really disingenuous YouTube comments people really hated legion in 2v8, but, instead of straight removing him altogether they could’ve done a lot of different things instead.
I’m going to list some suggestions some are better than others with ups and downs, seems like 2 is the most popular one so far.
- Make legion/oni unable to que with each other.
- Makes less blood spawn from deep wounded survivors or injured survivors while a legion in play
- Encourage other killer combos. For example make wesker and nemesis have separate infection cures, let Ghosty and wraith move faster while both cloaked at the same time. Give oni and spirit some familial buffs like oni giving spirit better power recovery while enraged, and spirit drops more blood when hitting healthy survivors with phase. (You get the point kinda like a mini-team up system from rivals)
- Even further nerfs to legions power.
I really hope BVHR re-enables him for the next 2v8 because too little killers in one of the biggest issues with the mode.
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Our design team is looking at ways in which to make Legion viable in the game mode, so far they're not happy with the things we've internally tested, hence we will kill switch them for the next iteration in November until there's a way which we feel that Legion can be in the mode in a way that works.
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I feel like it's more the survivors instantly mending thinking the killer left and then they come back and give them more chain hits, rather than Legion being broken. He's still a relatively weak killer in the mode, it's simply just survivors playing poorly. It needs to be more apparent where the Legion is in 2v8, if people are just going to mend right away thinking they're safe. Maybe that comes down to lack of MMR in the mode to prioritize queue times, but that was the only frustration I've ever had vsing that killer in 2v8, people giving free chain hits
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exactly this.
when the survivors split up, camps pallets, or just wait to mend legion gets significantly weaker.But they’d rather complain till he gets removed rather than offer other solutions. I mean it’s not like we can stop them from changing to game to their liking it’s literally an 8/2 ratio.
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People blaming survivors for instantly mending lmao
That's not the problem, the issue is Legion can be oppressive when paired with another killer. Oni can get his power almost instantly because of Legion, Spirit can be a pain to face because of Legion.
Legion is a support killer, but not in a healthy way. Being injured almost all the time when there's a other killer will never be a fun a way to play and should never come back.
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this point is null when in you consider most good survivors in 2v8 die anyway because both killers team up on them or they just get rolled by an insta down, being injured in 2v8 doesn’t matter nearly as much as long as you get pressure in exchange.
‘legion injures survivors and them easy targets for the other killer’Yeah? So does every other killer. Wraith (hit and runs with stealth) ghost face (same problem as wraith except he’ll expose you from a mile away and give his teammate a free down) huntress (snipes you) blight is blight is nurse nurse you get the point.
People choosing to not counter the killer then whining because they then lose to said killer and get them gutted/removed is the reason we can’t get anywhere and people will continue whatever is meta/whatever gets the best results with the least work. Killers like krasue and ghoul
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People just don't like playing against teams that involve them right now @Slurp_Ramen and @CompetitifDBD. It's not fun at all to face against and it's not a rare opinion either, most my friends weren't gonna play 2v8 because of them possibly still existing.
I honestly would rather they focus on their lethality on their own like they are trying to do in a way that's fair, than make them mega busted for information and forcing everyone to have 1 health state.0 -
Other than the killer's long standing free hit issue, he had no problems at all and he's still a horrible killer.
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in 1v4 maybe that's the case, but in 2v8 that's a huge issue when taking another killer who doesn't have that limitation in mind.
The things my friends and I could do as Legion + any other killer was just disgusting, and it got boring after a while.-1 -
This is a survivor issue in 1v4 but in 2v8 a legion can injure half the team and then a blight or nurse cleans them up. Legion himself is weak but that's because in this mode he functions as more of a support.
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LOL just like overwatch, can't Handle (find way break it or What changes caused this) 303, just Force it 222 but still Boring. Now make it 122 but Make the game unenjoyable.
Legion is not problem to survivor.
let legion stab other survivor is the problem, and this is survivor's mistake.
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"just ban all killer power, let survivor enjoy 2V8!”
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I mean, people could just split up, which is the usual counterplay to Legion, even in 2v8. You can also body block while in deep wounds to prevent extra chain hitsz but no one does that either, even in 1v4. It quite literally is the lack of MMR and actually good players getting paired with severely inexperienced survivors who can't think about their positioning and mend timing yet.
It's suprising too, since obviously if you still have a strong heartbeat while you're mending, the other killer is coming to "clean up" or the Legion is coming back to get another chain hit if you were too stupid and mended. Survivors also have ridiculous healing speeds and tools to their disposal, two Medic classes can instantly heal any survivors nearby.
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that's a lot of survivors doing nothing to respect a killer who can get their power back in a matter of seconds, all to repeat the process again.
Not to mention how fast legion gets when he stabs several survivors in 2v8. You're really sounding like you've not played against them on the survivor side at all…-2 -
legion excels on heavy crowded areas, what means he is really good at this mode, he is going to be a aproblem whatever is done, because his power is a ######### in normal gameplay, but crazily powerfull on 2v8…. the killer just needs a rework
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Honestly I think Legion's biggest problem is how Deep Wound grew out of their Power and now the gameplay is mending simulator, running fast and wall hacks via Killer Instinct.
I suggest to rework Legion into a Melee Trickster Hybrid, method of downing is Old Legion or That Dirt addon we dont have anymore. Their method of attacks should be many small cuts made in a running frenzy, meaning Legion chases could be more about running than any other Killer, boosting not only the Killer but the Survivor's speed. Once a set amount of cuts are made, damage state is taken. The Killer instinct should have a way shorter range.
Currently not a fan of their gameplay as Survivor nor Killer. And I know Legion is hated for thier mending simulator gameplay.
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Everyone has played against legion in 2v8, they're the most popular killer in the mode. And for the record, it takes like 15-20 seconds for legion to get their power back. Them getting that fast happens when you keep feeding them hits, you need to bodyblock in deep wounds. The killer is not fast at all with a single hit, hes a measly 5% faster per hit, thats 5m/s with one chain hit, which with the size of these maps and survivors actually being smart and staying apart, they should never be extending their power.
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the thing is you aren't going to get just 1 hit, you're going for the majority and it adds up, very quickly.
Asking 8 randoms potentially to stay split up is unreasonable, at best its 4 killer duos and even again unreasonable.
You can't just body block as he outruns you, and you lose your hitbox at first, not to mention latency there is to account for too.
They are going to bring them back more suitable for the mode so it's clear it was an issue lol not to mention the forums and socials were ablaze about them.-1 -
Legion's Power is literally designed to chain off of survivors, the more the merrier.
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I didn’t expect this post to get so popular,
It’s refreshing to see most people that are here are nice aand civil, and it’s good to see different peoples povs.
I know I’m in the minority for defending legion I probably won’t miss him too much as I’m still filling my catalog of ghost face selfies, but yeah it’s good that bhvr are looking into solutions and this isn’t a permanent thing.0
