SERIOUSLY Let killers Opt of getting que'd with SWF.
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@AsePlayer said:
I don't "need to cheat" to play the game, I just enjoy playing it more with my friends. Sorry I socialize I guess.
Shame on you for being social and having friends. What's wrong with you.
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Vortexas said:
@Shipthebread said:
@Vortexas said:
Because it's utter bullshit, that I can find and chase someone...then on discord they are all like"Hay guis his totem is by the barn near the vault point go get it while I loop him!"
And such bullshit that needs to be done away with.
Seriously Give Killers the Option to Opt out of SWF, yes I can just dodge, but Killer que times at least for me lately have been ######### long, only to finally get a group..and its a 4 man Ochido wannabe SWF squad.
Git Gud
Play without need 3 other people and voice chat to carry you.
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SWF ain't going.
Devs clearly stated it, and they won't make separate queues either.2 -
@Vortexas said:
@Jack11803 said:
“Just adapt”. That’s what I keep getting told.@powerbats said:
@Vortexas said:
@powerbats said:
@Vortexas said:
Play without need 3 other people and voice chat to carry you.
Then play without any perks and or items and addons. If you're going to need that stuff to carry you to victory then you shouldn't be playing as a killer. The entity would say that to you if it saw your post since you're not supposed to fing care.
I play both solo and swf and some of it's to rank up and other is just to have fun and the whiny spoiled rottenness of killer is astounding right now. I've been doing a lot of solo queue and the moment they see a single tool box and or flashlight they dodge 90% of the time.
When I play killer I could care less, i''ll take you on regardless and sometimes I'll win and sometimes i'll lose but at least I tried and didn't wimp out. It's like playing the killer has now become oh it's a difficult group screw this wimp out. The new changes are a positive and there'll be more to come for both sides.
But if you want to opt out then simply stop playing the game as a killer because it's not going to happen. When 70% of the player base is swf and you opt out then you're going to be in lobby for 30 minutes to an hour if not longer.
The devs aren't going to cave to a vocal small minority of killers that want this and have already stated it many times and constantly spamming the forums with whine threads like this makes all the ones doing it look childish. Instead get constructive and give ideas and break down how those ideas would work. What would your ideas do and what are it's pluses and minuses? How do you improve on those ideas and mitigate any issues?
If you can't do any of those last things then better uninstall now because you're not getting what you want anytime ever. Those are simply how the numbers game work. You can say queue times will go up but the devs will simply do something to attract killers to lobbies like bp events etc.
I found the entitled Survivor Main.
You spilled some again.Translation you can't refute anything I posted so resort to the usual insults. You just proved my point about being a whiny entitled killer.
I main trapper on killer side and enjoy him thoroughly along with Pig. If I was the entity I'd bslap your whiny spoiled entitled ass and send you to killer school for babies. If you don't have anything to show how to fix things then you'll yet again prove my point.
Made my points earlier in the thread kiddo, you don't seem too keen on refuting them.
It's okay though, I'd get mad too if I needed 3 others plus voice chat to play.
Why exactly is this a reply to me? I have nothing to do with this
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I am not one to usually say this sort of thing but out of respect for REAL killers out there, if you are too scared to go up against a swf squad you really shouldn't be playing killer in the first place.
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@Wicked_Django said:
How can the developers ban voice chat? Isnt discord a third-party software? Also, I don’t think there would be a way for them to eliminate party chat on console eitherThey can remove the option to play "Survive With Friends".
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@Jack11803 said:
It's okay though, I'd get mad too if I needed 3 others plus voice chat to play.
Why exactly is this a reply to me? I have nothing to do with this
You are an omnipotent god on the forum. No post is valid without you weighing in apparently.
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@fcc2014 said:
@Jack11803 said:
It's okay though, I'd get mad too if I needed 3 others plus voice chat to play.
Why exactly is this a reply to me? I have nothing to do with this
You are an omnipotent god on the forum. No post is valid without you weighing in apparently.
Dang, And here I thought it was from triggering him when I said “suck it up buttercup” to PC having to wait for shrine, I said this after the delay was confirmed.
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ChraizE said:
I am not one to usually say this sort of thing but out of respect for REAL killers out there, if you are too scared to go up against a swf squad you really shouldn't be playing killer in the first place.
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@Jack11803 some people just can't let it go. I actually expected to see you and Lowbei earlier. Cue Lowbei in 3...2...1....
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@Jack11803 said:
Why exactly is this a reply to me? I have nothing to do with this
It was directed at me since he couldn't refute my points and decided that insults would work and they still failed. The true killers out there don't fear SWF groups and won't dodge, the wimps and whiners that don't want challenges will.
As a Trapper main I could careless about 4 flashlights or whether it's a SWF group, I'm still going to try and kill them. The whiners just want an easy game and anything that's challenging to them is called cheating. If they can't handle it they should uninstall because they can spam from now till the world blows up, SWF isn't going anywhere nor is a separate queue coming.
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Swf isn't bad, I wreck them all the time, seems like you can get a overly altruistic friend groups and it's kind of easy mode, they just let you keep smacking them all down. I do get outplayed by swf groups sometimes but who gives a ######### it is what it is. Just a friendly game of dbd4
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I’m sorry that you went up against a toxic team but come on, man. SWF is not cheating, it’s called team work. You’re a SOLO KILLER that is suppose to be hunting us so the only help you would be getting is from your perks and addons, the rest just relies on skills. By asking for the removal of SWF, you’re just technically begging for a win to be handed to you easily...Vortexas said:I'd rather not play against a 4 man cheat squad.
Yes using Discord while playing this game is cheating, I don't give a [BAD WORD] if you don't think so.
Just add an option to let us killers opt out of SWF.
Just bring in FD and Lightborn to counter items and if one survivor is wasting your time by looping you, just leave them and go after their buds....1 -
@Superyoshiegg said:
How is using discord while playing the game cheating?No really, I'd like to hear your thought process on that one.
Are you serious?? Just put a little thought on how voice comms COULD be cheating, I'm sure you can come up with one reason all by yourself.
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@Skorpanio said:
If every killer does this, SWF will become very unfun quickly.
Seriously why tf would we make the game 'unfun'
You're suppost to have fun playing the game you lil saltbag.If you don't enjoy the game I highly suggest you go ahead and press the big uninstall button.
SWF groups deserve to have just as much fun as the killer is.
Only your SWF fun comes at the cost of the Killers fun.
Basically screw you Killer even though you are playing by the rules, we want to cheat and wreck you, so suck it up and live with it.
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@Skorpanio said:
Sorry, but voice communication was NEVER intended to be part of DbD nor was SWF groups.
We should have the right, and ability to opt out without just lobby dodging.
I am sorry you need 3 people and voice to carry you man, hopefully you get better one day.
It's raining SALT halleluja it's raining SALT!
Get your stuff together I can't stand the toxic saltbags like you.
Bye Bye, have fun just complaining about everything instead of adapting!Its funny you just tell the Killer to adapt. Because its people like you who say "Bah if they got rid of SWF, we'd all stop playing" that sure as hell doesn't sound like adapting.
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@Outland said:
@Skorpanio said:
Sorry, but voice communication was NEVER intended to be part of DbD nor was SWF groups.
We should have the right, and ability to opt out without just lobby dodging.
I am sorry you need 3 people and voice to carry you man, hopefully you get better one day.
It's raining SALT halleluja it's raining SALT!
Get your stuff together I can't stand the toxic saltbags like you.
Bye Bye, have fun just complaining about everything instead of adapting!Its funny you just tell the Killer to adapt. Because its people like you who say "Bah if they got rid of SWF, we'd all stop playing" that sure as hell doesn't sound like adapting.
It's supposed to be ironic because the circle-jerky killer mains are the ones always using that excuse to justify everything that nerfs survivors.
But you must be new here if you haven't heard it before lmao.
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@Outland said:
Its funny you just tell the Killer to adapt. Because its people like you who say "Bah if they got rid of SWF, we'd all stop playing" that sure as hell doesn't sound like adapting.
Lots of people play to play with their friends. You can't adapt to that other then to play a game that allows that. Come on use common sense and be reasonable.
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@Runiver said:
@Vortexas said:
I'd rather not play against a 4 man cheat squad.Yes using Discord while playing this game is cheating, I don't give a [BAD WORD] if you don't think so.
Just add an option to let us killers opt out of SWF.
SWF ain't cheating, whatever people say. Devs stated it several times, just gotta deal with it.
Been over this a hundred times. BHVR can not stop voice comms. And for them to say comms is cheating but we can't stop it just makes them look bad. If they truly considered voice comms as not cheating then they would go ahead and whitelist Discord. But low and behold Discord IS NOT whitelisted.
Cheating or not, Killers have decided that it is enough of an advantage to make it part of the game they do not wish to take part in. And since SWF are the only ones using voice comms to get that advantage, Killers are going to dodge.
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@Visionmaker said:
@Outland said:
@Skorpanio said:
Sorry, but voice communication was NEVER intended to be part of DbD nor was SWF groups.
We should have the right, and ability to opt out without just lobby dodging.
I am sorry you need 3 people and voice to carry you man, hopefully you get better one day.
It's raining SALT halleluja it's raining SALT!
Get your stuff together I can't stand the toxic saltbags like you.
Bye Bye, have fun just complaining about everything instead of adapting!Its funny you just tell the Killer to adapt. Because its people like you who say "Bah if they got rid of SWF, we'd all stop playing" that sure as hell doesn't sound like adapting.
It's supposed to be ironic because the circle-jerky killer mains are the ones always using that excuse to justify everything that nerfs survivors.
But you must be new here if you haven't heard it before lmao.
Yep, I'm new here.
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@Outland said:
Been over this a hundred times. BHVR can not stop voice comms. And for them to say comms is cheating but we can't stop it just makes them look bad. If they truly considered voice comms as not cheating then they would go ahead and whitelist Discord. But low and behold Discord IS NOT whitelisted.They didn't whitelist Google Chrome and my super sneaky perk googling either.
ARREST ME OFFICER
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@fcc2014 said:
@Outland said:
Its funny you just tell the Killer to adapt. Because its people like you who say "Bah if they got rid of SWF, we'd all stop playing" that sure as hell doesn't sound like adapting.
Lots of people play to play with their friends. You can't adapt to that other then to play a game that allows that. Come on use common sense and be reasonable.
Killers have adapted to dodging, I'm good with the current system. Only problem is solo que people are getting caught in the crossfire. It's in their best interest for the SWF indicator to become a thing.
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@Outland said:
Killers have adapted to dodging, I'm good with the current system. Only problem is solo que people are getting caught in the crossfire. It's in their best interest for the SWF indicator to become a thing.
Opens up Pandora's box. Maybe they do it but if they do and lobby dodging becomes more prevalent then it is, que times will be a mess and you will have tons of scrub killers looking for solo lobbies. Meanwhile you turn off a portion of your player base with even longer wait times only to get dodged. I played 4 hours as Killer last night i got 3 or 4 swf in almost every lobby. I don't dodge because i don't care about protecting a rank that isn't rewarded. Some people's identity revolves around rank and "winning" the round. All i'm saying is it will cause more problems.
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@Visionmaker said:
@Outland said:
Been over this a hundred times. BHVR can not stop voice comms. And for them to say comms is cheating but we can't stop it just makes them look bad. If they truly considered voice comms as not cheating then they would go ahead and whitelist Discord. But low and behold Discord IS NOT whitelisted.They didn't whitelist Google Chrome and my super sneaky perk googling either.
ARREST ME OFFICER
Point is , third party software that gives an unfair advantage, that isn't on the white list is a perma-ban offense. If you go on only pure logic and yes or no answers you would have to agree.
Discord is
1) A third party piece of software ... true
2) Not on the white list ... true
3) Used by SWF groups to gain a very unfair advantage over another player ... trueBut hey its ok, you just keep on doing what you do and screw the other people, its all good they can just get gud, and you can crutch it up.
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@fcc2014 said:
@Outland said:
Killers have adapted to dodging, I'm good with the current system. Only problem is solo que people are getting caught in the crossfire. It's in their best interest for the SWF indicator to become a thing.
Opens up Pandora's box. Maybe they do it but if they do and lobby dodging becomes more prevalent then it is, que times will be a mess and you will have tons of scrub killers looking for solo lobbies. Meanwhile you turn off a portion of your player base with even longer wait times only to get dodged. I played 4 hours as Killer last night i got 3 or 4 swf in almost every lobby. I don't dodge because i don't care about protecting a rank that isn't rewarded. Some people's identity revolves around rank and "winning" the round. All i'm saying is it will cause more problems.
I'm just saying when you get SWF after SWF that are all coordinated, and are good players, being the chump they all abuse gets old very quick. I'm sure we've all had those days where we just want to play a couple rounds, and all that ends up happening is you end up frustrated and not having a good time.
So you either switch to survivor side , or take a break from the game because you are supposed to have fun when playing.
This is bound to happen even with solo players, but it happens a crap ton more when SWF is involved.
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@Outland said:
@Visionmaker said:
@Outland said:
Been over this a hundred times. BHVR can not stop voice comms. And for them to say comms is cheating but we can't stop it just makes them look bad. If they truly considered voice comms as not cheating then they would go ahead and whitelist Discord. But low and behold Discord IS NOT whitelisted.They didn't whitelist Google Chrome and my super sneaky perk googling either.
ARREST ME OFFICER
Point is , third party software that gives an unfair advantage, that isn't on the white list is a perma-ban offense. If you go on only pure logic and yes or no answers you would have to agree.
Discord is
1) A third party piece of software ... true
2) Not on the white list ... true
3) Used by SWF groups to gain a very unfair advantage over another player ... trueBut hey its ok, you just keep on doing what you do and screw the other people, its all good they can just get gud, and you can crutch it up.
Ok but if someones running discord do you know for a fact they're in group? If you're not BHVR you don't and everytime a solo queue destroys or gets out with 1 or 2 sacs only the killer flames about swf. I did a lot of solo before reset and got to rank 3 and yet killers there would non stop whine about swf even when no one was grouped.
If they got 3-4 sacs it was ez, if they got wrecked it was swf scrubs the ez was while playing Billy or Nurse on Coldwind or Doctor on Gideons. Most of my game sar esolo and I play with lower ranked friends for fun. We still try and win and beat the killer but if we get outplayed we congratulate the killer.
What happens when a solo queue is using Discord to talk to a friend outside of game which I do all the time as do others I know.Oh the system has detected you're using Discord oh noes you get kicked. What about the people who either don't have a mic or it's busted but are in Discord or Skype, or Ventrilo etc?
Do you think that the survivors in game if it was real wouldn't be fing communicating before at the campfire or when they huddle together? It's time you decide you either uninstall the game and quit bitching about it, or keep bitching about it and keep dodging lobbies.
Because eventually those dodges are going to start being punished like most games do, if you keep dodging games you start getting time penalties. Oh and don't give me the forced to swf group crap, I see it happen in solo queue all the time. The killer see's a single flashlight, dodge, 1 flashlight and or 2 tool boxes, dodge. If they see any comp they don't like where they gasp might have to actually work or play a more optimal killer then their favorite they dodge. Don't want to have to take perks to counter what they're bringing, dodge etc ad nauseum.
This am I had 10 straight lobbies dodged because gasp 1 person had a flashlight and or 1 toolbox was there. When I finally got a lobby the killer adapted and chose a more optimal killer with perks to counter what our group was. They got a 4 sac game.
All I see are excuses when you don't actually know if it's a swf group at all and in fact the devs if they ever decided to could post the statistics for all the dodges and how many were swf and what size groups. Did you choose the most optimal killer for the match, did you choose the best items/addons/perks. But more likely you refused because you only wanted to run your favorite killer/perks/items/addons.
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@powerbats said:
@Outland said:
@Visionmaker said:
@Outland said:
Been over this a hundred times. BHVR can not stop voice comms. And for them to say comms is cheating but we can't stop it just makes them look bad. If they truly considered voice comms as not cheating then they would go ahead and whitelist Discord. But low and behold Discord IS NOT whitelisted.They didn't whitelist Google Chrome and my super sneaky perk googling either.
ARREST ME OFFICER
Point is , third party software that gives an unfair advantage, that isn't on the white list is a perma-ban offense. If you go on only pure logic and yes or no answers you would have to agree.
Discord is
1) A third party piece of software ... true
2) Not on the white list ... true
3) Used by SWF groups to gain a very unfair advantage over another player ... trueBut hey its ok, you just keep on doing what you do and screw the other people, its all good they can just get gud, and you can crutch it up.
Ok but if someones running discord do you know for a fact they're in group? If you're not BHVR you don't and everytime a solo queue destroys or gets out with 1 or 2 sacs only the killer flames about swf. I did a lot of solo before reset and got to rank 3 and yet killers there would non stop whine about swf even when no one was grouped.
If they got 3-4 sacs it was ez, if they got wrecked it was swf scrubs the ez was while playing Billy or Nurse on Coldwind or Doctor on Gideons. Most of my game sar esolo and I play with lower ranked friends for fun. We still try and win and beat the killer but if we get outplayed we congratulate the killer.
What happens when a solo queue is using Discord to talk to a friend outside of game which I do all the time as do others I know.Oh the system has detected you're using Discord oh noes you get kicked. What about the people who either don't have a mic or it's busted but are in Discord or Skype, or Ventrilo etc?
Do you think that the survivors in game if it was real wouldn't be fing communicating before at the campfire or when they huddle together? It's time you decide you either uninstall the game and quit bitching about it, or keep bitching about it and keep dodging lobbies.
Because eventually those dodges are going to start being punished like most games do, if you keep dodging games you start getting time penalties. Oh and don't give me the forced to swf group crap, I see it happen in solo queue all the time. The killer see's a single flashlight, dodge, 1 flashlight and or 2 tool boxes, dodge. If they see any comp they don't like where they gasp might have to actually work or play a more optimal killer then their favorite they dodge. Don't want to have to take perks to counter what they're bringing, dodge etc ad nauseum.
This am I had 10 straight lobbies dodged because gasp 1 person had a flashlight and or 1 toolbox was there. When I finally got a lobby the killer adapted and chose a more optimal killer with perks to counter what our group was. They got a 4 sac game.
All I see are excuses when you don't actually know if it's a swf group at all and in fact the devs if they ever decided to could post the statistics for all the dodges and how many were swf and what size groups. Did you choose the most optimal killer for the match, did you choose the best items/addons/perks. But more likely you refused because you only wanted to run your favorite killer/perks/items/addons.
I dunno about dodging due to items, that is what Franklins is for.
I do dodge SWF because it gives then a HUGE unfair advantage vs Killer.
If you do not think so, well I dunno what to tell you..play killer and play against ever SWF group you come against and tell me how fun it is..for 2-3 other people to constantly know EXACTLY where you are at while you are chasing that Dwight you found.
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@Vortexas said:
I dunno about dodging due to items, that is what Franklins is for.
I do dodge SWF because it gives then a HUGE unfair advantage vs Killer.
If you do not think so, well I dunno what to tell you..play killer and play against ever SWF group you come against and tell me how fun it is..for 2-3 other people to constantly know EXACTLY where you are at while you are chasing that Dwight you found.
Franklins is perfect and more killers are running it which is a scary thing to face but also makes it that much more interesting. I recognize the problems swf groups create and I've been wrecked by some at low ranks as well. I think in all my time playing killer I've had perhaps 10 toxic swf groups and the rest have been really cool.
I totally understand if you see 4 flashlights and 4 clan tags for the same group that's one thing but how many are full groups? It'd be interesting to actually get a breakdown by rnake 1-5 6-10 etc of what the comp is group wise. Most of the swf is probably low ranks but what % is the $64,000 question.
One thing I'd like to see is perhaps a bp bonus awarded post game but the killer won't know they're getting it as a reward for facing swf.So if it's a duo they get a 1x bonus or something and so on.
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@Outland said:
@Visionmaker said:
@Outland said:
Been over this a hundred times. BHVR can not stop voice comms. And for them to say comms is cheating but we can't stop it just makes them look bad. If they truly considered voice comms as not cheating then they would go ahead and whitelist Discord. But low and behold Discord IS NOT whitelisted.They didn't whitelist Google Chrome and my super sneaky perk googling either.
ARREST ME OFFICER
Point is , third party software that gives an unfair advantage, that isn't on the white list is a perma-ban offense. If you go on only pure logic and yes or no answers you would have to agree.
Discord is
1) A third party piece of software ... true
2) Not on the white list ... true
3) Used by SWF groups to gain a very unfair advantage over another player ... trueBut hey its ok, you just keep on doing what you do and screw the other people, its all good they can just get gud, and you can crutch it up.
Report me
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@Skorpanio said:
If every killer does this, SWF will become very unfun quickly.
Seriously why tf would we make the game 'unfun'
You're suppost to have fun playing the game you lil saltbag.If you don't enjoy the game I highly suggest you go ahead and press the big uninstall button.
SWF groups deserve to have just as much fun as the killer is.I get what youre saying by SWF deserve to have just as much fun as killer. But playing killer against toxic SWF isn't fun at all. There's no fun in playing against 4 people running crutch perks, body blocking, flashing, and being able to easily communicate with each other when the original purpose of the game was to work together without direct communication. Yes, everyone deserves to have fun, but playing killer isn't as fun as it should be.
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@Jplanas98 said:
@Skorpanio said:
If every killer does this, SWF will become very unfun quickly.
Seriously why tf would we make the game 'unfun'
You're suppost to have fun playing the game you lil saltbag.If you don't enjoy the game I highly suggest you go ahead and press the big uninstall button.
SWF groups deserve to have just as much fun as the killer is.I get what youre saying by SWF deserve to have just as much fun as killer. But playing killer against toxic SWF isn't fun at all. There's no fun in playing against 4 people running crutch perks, body blocking, flashing, and being able to easily communicate with each other when the original purpose of the game was to work together without direct communication. Yes, everyone deserves to have fun, but playing killer isn't as fun as it should be.
That's a gameplay issue not a SWF issue.
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@AsePlayer said:
@Jplanas98 said:
@Skorpanio said:
If every killer does this, SWF will become very unfun quickly.
Seriously why tf would we make the game 'unfun'
You're suppost to have fun playing the game you lil saltbag.If you don't enjoy the game I highly suggest you go ahead and press the big uninstall button.
SWF groups deserve to have just as much fun as the killer is.I get what youre saying by SWF deserve to have just as much fun as killer. But playing killer against toxic SWF isn't fun at all. There's no fun in playing against 4 people running crutch perks, body blocking, flashing, and being able to easily communicate with each other when the original purpose of the game was to work together without direct communication. Yes, everyone deserves to have fun, but playing killer isn't as fun as it should be.
That's a gameplay issue not a SWF issue.
But I guarantee if SWF wasn't an option, it wouldn't be as much of an issue.
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@Jplanas98 said:
@AsePlayer said:
@Jplanas98 said:
@Skorpanio said:
If every killer does this, SWF will become very unfun quickly.
Seriously why tf would we make the game 'unfun'
You're suppost to have fun playing the game you lil saltbag.If you don't enjoy the game I highly suggest you go ahead and press the big uninstall button.
SWF groups deserve to have just as much fun as the killer is.I get what youre saying by SWF deserve to have just as much fun as killer. But playing killer against toxic SWF isn't fun at all. There's no fun in playing against 4 people running crutch perks, body blocking, flashing, and being able to easily communicate with each other when the original purpose of the game was to work together without direct communication. Yes, everyone deserves to have fun, but playing killer isn't as fun as it should be.
That's a gameplay issue not a SWF issue.
But I guarantee if SWF wasn't an option, it wouldn't be as much of an issue.
But I guarantee if pallet looping, flashlights, brand new parts, urban evasion, self care, decisive and more weren't an option, it wouldn't be as much of an issue either.
On the flip side, this goes for franklins, BBQ, NOeD, one shots, ruin, etc etc etc.
You can never satisfy everybody and the way that playing with friends is being portrayed as the "ultimate evil" is just plain ridiculous, when it's actually a ton of gameplay issues.
Will the OP accept me if I 4 man SWF with all my friends in the same room so that way we aren't using discord? Or is speaking the English language not white-listed as well?
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@AsePlayer said:
@Jplanas98 said:
@AsePlayer said:
@Jplanas98 said:
@Skorpanio said:
If every killer does this, SWF will become very unfun quickly.
Seriously why tf would we make the game 'unfun'
You're suppost to have fun playing the game you lil saltbag.If you don't enjoy the game I highly suggest you go ahead and press the big uninstall button.
SWF groups deserve to have just as much fun as the killer is.I get what youre saying by SWF deserve to have just as much fun as killer. But playing killer against toxic SWF isn't fun at all. There's no fun in playing against 4 people running crutch perks, body blocking, flashing, and being able to easily communicate with each other when the original purpose of the game was to work together without direct communication. Yes, everyone deserves to have fun, but playing killer isn't as fun as it should be.
That's a gameplay issue not a SWF issue.
But I guarantee if SWF wasn't an option, it wouldn't be as much of an issue.
But I guarantee if pallet looping, flashlights, brand new parts, urban evasion, self care, decisive and more weren't an option, it wouldn't be as much of an issue either.
On the flip side, this goes for franklins, BBQ, NOeD, one shots, ruin, etc etc etc.
You can never satisfy everybody and the way that playing with friends is being portrayed as the "ultimate evil" is just plain ridiculous, when it's actually a ton of gameplay issues.
Will the OP accept me if I 4 man SWF with all my friends in the same room so that way we aren't using discord? Or is speaking the English language not white-listed as well?
Gameplay does play a big part in it, there's no denying that. That's why there are changes being made. And when it comes to the perks, killer doesn't compare to survivor. Killer has like 6 crutch perks, survivors have like 15.
Playing SWF isn't the ultimate evil, but it sucks that it's a 1 v 4, and the 4 survivors already have a huge advantage. And the fact that the survivors are able to communicate with each other just boosts the advantage even further, making the game even less fun. And pretty much 1 in every 4 SWF groups end up being toxic.
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@Jplanas98 said:
Gameplay does play a big part in it, there's no denying that. That's why there are changes being made. And when it comes to the perks, killer doesn't compare to survivor. Killer has like 6 crutch perks, survivors have like 15.
Playing SWF isn't the ultimate evil, but it sucks that it's a 1 v 4, and the 4 survivors already have a huge advantage. And the fact that the survivors are able to communicate with each other just boosts the advantage even further, making the game even less fun. And pretty much 1 in every 4 SWF groups end up being toxic.
Wait the survivors have 15 crutch perks that they can sue at once, shocking that those who play that side never knew that. It's also funny you admit killers have crutch perks also because they can't use them all at once either.
Again you think that the survivors camping by that fire don't communicate, nor do so in game? So what if people communicate, the smart killers know this and use it against them. Also where did you get that statistic from since 1 in 4 is a made up number obviously.
There was a study done on toxicity a few years back in online gaming and the results were quite surprising. The majority of people who said their game swere toxic actually weren't. In fact their games were mostly on the positive side but because they might've had a bad experience and queued up right away that carried over to the next game and so on.
This is based upon chat logs where they felt the chat was toxic and or gameplay and when asked to point out specific games there was really very little toxicity. The same is true for this game since you feel swf is toxic so every game is toxic whether it was or not. You feel most every game is swf yet it probably isn't or only part of the group is swf.
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@Outland said:
@Visionmaker said:
@Outland said:
Been over this a hundred times. BHVR can not stop voice comms. And for them to say comms is cheating but we can't stop it just makes them look bad. If they truly considered voice comms as not cheating then they would go ahead and whitelist Discord. But low and behold Discord IS NOT whitelisted.They didn't whitelist Google Chrome and my super sneaky perk googling either.
ARREST ME OFFICER
Point is , third party software that gives an unfair advantage, that isn't on the white list is a perma-ban offense. If you go on only pure logic and yes or no answers you would have to agree.
Discord is
1) A third party piece of software ... true
2) Not on the white list ... true
3) Used by SWF groups to gain a very unfair advantage over another player ... trueBut hey its ok, you just keep on doing what you do and screw the other people, its all good they can just get gud, and you can crutch it up.
So basically going by your logic, when we are playing Dead by daylight we shouldn't be allowed to have any program open but the game? Twitch can be used as an advantage if a Killer is streaming and you know about it. You guys just need to give it up, discord isn't going anywhere and neither is SWF.
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It's always the Leatherface avatars kek.
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@powerbats said:
@Outland said:
@Visionmaker said:
@Outland said:
Been over this a hundred times. BHVR can not stop voice comms. And for them to say comms is cheating but we can't stop it just makes them look bad. If they truly considered voice comms as not cheating then they would go ahead and whitelist Discord. But low and behold Discord IS NOT whitelisted.They didn't whitelist Google Chrome and my super sneaky perk googling either.
ARREST ME OFFICER
Point is , third party software that gives an unfair advantage, that isn't on the white list is a perma-ban offense. If you go on only pure logic and yes or no answers you would have to agree.
Discord is
1) A third party piece of software ... true
2) Not on the white list ... true
3) Used by SWF groups to gain a very unfair advantage over another player ... trueBut hey its ok, you just keep on doing what you do and screw the other people, its all good they can just get gud, and you can crutch it up.
Ok but if someones running discord do you know for a fact they're in group? If you're not BHVR you don't and everytime a solo queue destroys or gets out with 1 or 2 sacs only the killer flames about swf. I did a lot of solo before reset and got to rank 3 and yet killers there would non stop whine about swf even when no one was grouped.
If they got 3-4 sacs it was ez, if they got wrecked it was swf scrubs the ez was while playing Billy or Nurse on Coldwind or Doctor on Gideons. Most of my game sar esolo and I play with lower ranked friends for fun. We still try and win and beat the killer but if we get outplayed we congratulate the killer.
What happens when a solo queue is using Discord to talk to a friend outside of game which I do all the time as do others I know.Oh the system has detected you're using Discord oh noes you get kicked. What about the people who either don't have a mic or it's busted but are in Discord or Skype, or Ventrilo etc?
Do you think that the survivors in game if it was real wouldn't be fing communicating before at the campfire or when they huddle together? It's time you decide you either uninstall the game and quit bitching about it, or keep bitching about it and keep dodging lobbies.
Because eventually those dodges are going to start being punished like most games do, if you keep dodging games you start getting time penalties. Oh and don't give me the forced to swf group crap, I see it happen in solo queue all the time. The killer see's a single flashlight, dodge, 1 flashlight and or 2 tool boxes, dodge. If they see any comp they don't like where they gasp might have to actually work or play a more optimal killer then their favorite they dodge. Don't want to have to take perks to counter what they're bringing, dodge etc ad nauseum.
This am I had 10 straight lobbies dodged because gasp 1 person had a flashlight and or 1 toolbox was there. When I finally got a lobby the killer adapted and chose a more optimal killer with perks to counter what our group was. They got a 4 sac game.
All I see are excuses when you don't actually know if it's a swf group at all and in fact the devs if they ever decided to could post the statistics for all the dodges and how many were swf and what size groups. Did you choose the most optimal killer for the match, did you choose the best items/addons/perks. But more likely you refused because you only wanted to run your favorite killer/perks/items/addons.
Ok, lets take your points one at a time.
BHVR can not detect Discord, and even if they did could, they do not have the right to check that information.
So no BHVR can do nothing about Discord. Lets limit our discussions about the use of Discord to only that of SWF groups. Every other discord communication outside of SWF games, doesn't supply an advantage to the player, and is therefore a non-issue.
Now on to your claiming that if they would talk around the fire IRL. Whelp from the lore, In trial after trial, the survivors retain nothing of their previous ordeals. Actually they sit around that fire until they actually for some unknown reason decide to wander away from it. Upon which they find themselves in another ordeal where they do not know anything or anyone. If they escape they find themselves back at the safety of the fire, until they wander off again. So no they wouldn't be talking because the game was designed as four strangers placed in a match who can either work together or not. Its up to the playstyle of each player.
And as a player of this game since day one, before SWF was even a thing, I reserve the right to keep the game installed and ######### all I want, because that is my right. And yes I'll dodge any SWF I suspect, and if they do finally decide that punishing Killers for lobby dodging deserves timeouts. I'll probably not wait around until the timeout is over, I'll just stop playing and play another game, because being forced into matches where I'm just a joke for a SWF groups to troll is no option. I'm sure a lot of Killers will do the same.
The hardcore Killers will stay, but the que times should be pretty brutal. Because survivor mains do not have the stuff to be a Killer main. They may try it and after getting roflstomped by SWF groups, they will not bother either. So the end result will just be a lot less Killers to provide lobbies.
"All I see are excuses when you don't actually know if it's a swf group at all"
Thanks for making our point here, we DON"T know what is SWF and what isn't. That's why we are asking for the indicator. That way when we get rolled in a match we know it was because we plain old got out played. Not cheated by superior communication and seal team tactics.
But nothing you said at all, makes it ok for SWF groups gain such an advantage over the other players. Other then you feel you are entitled to.
In reality, I KNOW SWF is not going anywhere, but nothing you can say will convince me that advantage that SWF get by using Discord, is cool and above board. IF IT WAS THEN DISCORD WOULD BE WHITE LISTED.
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@Visionmaker said:
@Outland said:
@Visionmaker said:
@Outland said:
Been over this a hundred times. BHVR can not stop voice comms. And for them to say comms is cheating but we can't stop it just makes them look bad. If they truly considered voice comms as not cheating then they would go ahead and whitelist Discord. But low and behold Discord IS NOT whitelisted.They didn't whitelist Google Chrome and my super sneaky perk googling either.
ARREST ME OFFICER
Point is , third party software that gives an unfair advantage, that isn't on the white list is a perma-ban offense. If you go on only pure logic and yes or no answers you would have to agree.
Discord is
1) A third party piece of software ... true
2) Not on the white list ... true
3) Used by SWF groups to gain a very unfair advantage over another player ... trueBut hey its ok, you just keep on doing what you do and screw the other people, its all good they can just get gud, and you can crutch it up.
Report me
This is your answer to logic?
Well crap, you got me.
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No thanks.
It might suck to play against a 4 man SWF sometimes, but it’s better than other online games I’ve invested hundreds of hours into this gen like Evolve and Battleborn which are now ghost towns online. And that’s what DbD would become, because no killer would opt in to SWF. And then the survivor pool would dramatically drop.
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@SenzuDuck said:
Baby killers aren't willing to git gud against swf. Suffer or be better - it's easy LULULULULSenzu my friend, we meet again!
Glad to see you and I are still not seeing eye to eye, I caught some of your stream the other day, and dude you seem like a cool guy, but then I come here and catch you basically name calling.
You are better then this, try rewording it so you are not being so confrontational.
Like this,
"Inexperienced Killers are not willing to up their game to deal with obvious advantages afforded SWF. They need to get real good at the game or suffer."
Only here is some thoughts to kick around.
SWF turns 4 average palyers into gods, knowing things they shouldn't know. So average players are allowed to play survivor DbD.
Now to be able to combat these average players turned gods, the Killer is supposed to up their game and become gods too. So there is no room for average player ability Killers.
So its fine to half ass it as survivors meme around and punish any Killer that are less then great game players. But Killers are forced to be pro or suffer?
Anyways man, I hope you start changing your tone in these posts. Cause like I said you seem like a cool guy on stream.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Outland said:
@SenzuDuck said:
Baby killers aren't willing to git gud against swf. Suffer or be better - it's easy LULULULULSenzu my friend, we meet again!
Glad to see you and I are still not seeing eye to eye, I caught some of your stream the other day, and dude you seem like a cool guy, but then I come here and catch you basically name calling.
You are better then this, try rewording it so you are not being so confrontational.
Like this,
"Inexperienced Killers are not willing to up their game to deal with obvious advantages afforded SWF. They need to get real good at the game or suffer."
Only here is some thoughts to kick around.
SWF turns 4 average palyers into gods, knowing things they shouldn't know. So average players are allowed to play survivor DbD.
Now to be able to combat these average players turned gods, the Killer is supposed to up their game and become gods too. So there is no room for average player ability Killers.
So its fine to half ass it as survivors meme around and punish any Killer that are less then great game players. But Killers are forced to be pro or suffer?
Anyways man, I hope you start changing your tone in these posts. Cause like I said you seem like a cool guy on stream.
Honestly dude - I play against 4-Man SWFs all day, I don't dodge, I don't complain about items and I certainly don't make 30 threads a day with biased opinions on how OP SWF is or how SWF the nurse is etc etc.
I try to be as unbiased as possible, I play all sides, SWF, Solo, Killer. The simple fact is - no matter which side is currently OP people are going to make these posts constantly complaining, everyone Killer & Survivor need to just get on with it, adapt and get better with the changes.
SWF has been in the game for so long now and if killers haven't gotten used to it and upped their game like I try to then it's just going to constantly be a shitfest on these forums.
And as a streamer I'd expect nothing less. But that also affords you the point of view of someone who had the time to get real good at the game. And most of the people who hit the forums, claiming they never dodge and rarely have problems with SWF are of the same cloth. But as in most games, you guys that are top tier are the exception.
Average players are the majority of any game player base. And Like I said 4 average players come together and become a step above. And the average Killer population, of which there are more of then the pros, get stomped, even though they are supposedly playing the power role.
And the thing about average Killers, they tend to play one or two specific Killers that they either find the style of fun, or are a fan, such as MM, or Freddy. They are rarely skilled enough in all Killers to combat SWF with any regularity, by changing up their Killer.
My point is every game unless its a e-sport should be looking to make the game in the sweet spot for the average player. And in DbD they have NAILED it for survivors. Average players love this game, when playing survivor. But for Killer this game's mechanics and features (SWF) have made it so that average Killers are often outclassed. You shouldn't need to need pro level to combat average counter parts.
Anyways peace bro!
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@Gunmech04 said:
@Outland said:
@Visionmaker said:
@Outland said:
Been over this a hundred times. BHVR can not stop voice comms. And for them to say comms is cheating but we can't stop it just makes them look bad. If they truly considered voice comms as not cheating then they would go ahead and whitelist Discord. But low and behold Discord IS NOT whitelisted.They didn't whitelist Google Chrome and my super sneaky perk googling either.
ARREST ME OFFICER
Point is , third party software that gives an unfair advantage, that isn't on the white list is a perma-ban offense. If you go on only pure logic and yes or no answers you would have to agree.
Discord is
1) A third party piece of software ... true
2) Not on the white list ... true
3) Used by SWF groups to gain a very unfair advantage over another player ... trueBut hey its ok, you just keep on doing what you do and screw the other people, its all good they can just get gud, and you can crutch it up.
So basically going by your logic, when we are playing Dead by daylight we shouldn't be allowed to have any program open but the game? Twitch can be used as an advantage if a Killer is streaming and you know about it. You guys just need to give it up, discord isn't going anywhere and neither is SWF.
Hey man, stream sniping is bannable. Lolz
Good to see you got the concept anyways.
If I had cookies to give, you'd get one!
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Outland said:
@SenzuDuck said:
Baby killers aren't willing to git gud against swf. Suffer or be better - it's easy LULULULULSenzu my friend, we meet again!
Glad to see you and I are still not seeing eye to eye, I caught some of your stream the other day, and dude you seem like a cool guy, but then I come here and catch you basically name calling.
You are better then this, try rewording it so you are not being so confrontational.
Like this,
"Inexperienced Killers are not willing to up their game to deal with obvious advantages afforded SWF. They need to get real good at the game or suffer."
Only here is some thoughts to kick around.
SWF turns 4 average palyers into gods, knowing things they shouldn't know. So average players are allowed to play survivor DbD.
Now to be able to combat these average players turned gods, the Killer is supposed to up their game and become gods too. So there is no room for average player ability Killers.
So its fine to half ass it as survivors meme around and punish any Killer that are less then great game players. But Killers are forced to be pro or suffer?
Anyways man, I hope you start changing your tone in these posts. Cause like I said you seem like a cool guy on stream.
Honestly dude - I play against 4-Man SWFs all day, I don't dodge, I don't complain about items and I certainly don't make 30 threads a day with biased opinions on how OP SWF is or how SWF the nurse is etc etc.
I try to be as unbiased as possible, I play all sides, SWF, Solo, Killer. The simple fact is - no matter which side is currently OP people are going to make these posts constantly complaining, everyone Killer & Survivor need to just get on with it, adapt and get better with the changes.
SWF has been in the game for so long now and if killers haven't gotten used to it and upped their game like I try to then it's just going to constantly be a shitfest on these forums.
The thing about SWF aint really that they are invincible. Its that they are toxic as hell and i refuse to play with such crap in my game ( and i also refuse to play a rigged game as well where my outcome is going to be a loss no matter what).
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@Outland said:
This is your answer to logic?Well crap, you got me.
Oh, were we taking this seriously?
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@powerbats said:
@Vortexas said:
Play without need 3 other people and voice chat to carry you.
Then play without any perks and or items and addons. If you're going to need that stuff to carry you to victory then you shouldn't be playing as a killer. The entity would say that to you if it saw your post since you're not supposed to fing care.
I play both solo and swf and some of it's to rank up and other is just to have fun and the whiny spoiled rottenness of killer is astounding right now. I've been doing a lot of solo queue and the moment they see a single tool box and or flashlight they dodge 90% of the time.
When I play killer I could care less, i''ll take you on regardless and sometimes I'll win and sometimes i'll lose but at least I tried and didn't wimp out. It's like playing the killer has now become oh it's a difficult group screw this wimp out. The new changes are a positive and there'll be more to come for both sides.
But if you want to opt out then simply stop playing the game as a killer because it's not going to happen. When 70% of the player base is swf and you opt out then you're going to be in lobby for 30 minutes to an hour if not longer.
The devs aren't going to cave to a vocal small minority of killers that want this and have already stated it many times and constantly spamming the forums with whine threads like this makes all the ones doing it look childish. Instead get constructive and give ideas and break down how those ideas would work. What would your ideas do and what are it's pluses and minuses? How do you improve on those ideas and mitigate any issues?
If you can't do any of those last things then better uninstall now because you're not getting what you want anytime ever. Those are simply how the numbers game work. You can say queue times will go up but the devs will simply do something to attract killers to lobbies like bp events etc.
I'm sorry, I have to login in to point out the stupidity of this post.
Guy tells you to play without 3 others and Voice chat, and your suggestion to him is don't play with Perks/items or Addons..All things in the game where Voice Chat is not..
See this is why we can't have nice things...Derplords like this mucking up the Internet.
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No need to add an opt-in option.
No silly debuffs for SWF members and that poor solo player who happens to be in the lobby either.
No bribes (additional BP) for playing with SWF.All they need to do is add a new icon indicating said person is queued in SWF with those people, hell, if you don't want to show who is with whom, just add an icon that THIS person joined this lobby by using "Survive With Friends" option in them main menu.
This gives the killer needed information to adjust their playstyle accordingly and on top of that, informs other survivors in the lobby about existing SWF members that may ditch them and use them for their own gain.
To the people saying, that adding an opt-in option would kill this game because no one would play with SWF, that single sentence should light a freaking bulb in your head.
If SWF is fine and dandy, why would no killer or no solo survivor would ever want to play with SWF members in their games?0
