How do you feel about the speed of generator repair and the overall speed of the game?

Personally they are two fast for me. I play Wraith (I just love sneaking up on survivors when I find them) and I am a new and not a very good Killer getting matched with players 8 ranks in front of me, so that doesn't help. But if I get a bad map, or start in a bad spot and can't find anyone to get a chase started, it sucks. Had a game last night that lasted 5 minutes at most. And this was with me trying to chase a couple times. Never was able to pressure and slow down gens and they were popping them off left and right, even with 3 people working on them. Game was zero fun.

On the flip side though, I had a great match the other night (they were only 7 ranks higher, haha) were 3 gens were very near each other and it was by basement so made for a great 3 gen strat. So I was able to keep them off them and slow them down a bit on the other gens without giving up those 3. By the time they had 4 gens done I had eliminated 1 player, and almost another. Had a blast for about 10 minutes of cat and mouse with the last 3 gens. I ended up getting a 4k (which rarely happens) and had so much fun.

So if I get the right gen setup, and am not over matched by survivors, then they are fine, but more times than not the gens are too fast for me.

The only part of gens that is possibly an issue is at the start of the game. At this point the killer is at a disadvantage as they need to find someone first to get their first chase going. If that killer finds someone quickly though, gen speed is completely fine (outside of maybe toolboxes, which I’m considering a separate discussion than base speed). If it takes a little time though, it could be bad. That’s why ScottJunds idea is definitely on the right track in giving the killer an assist at the start, but once they find someone and initiate a chase, that assist is removed.

Games do go fast a good portion of the time as Killer. As survivor, when I play is 50/50 fast games and slow games. Another problem is wait times as survivor.

A question, how come i have to wait to join a game to wait again for more people to join? Can i just skip the middle man and join in waiting for people in a server? I know i don't know the behind the scenes but i always wondered that.

Honestly? Standard repair times are largely fine. Toolboxes, Prove Thyself, huge maps, and stacking on a gen are where things can get silly.

Without any of those things, it can already be very difficult for average survivors to get gens done. So changing any of the base times is not a good plan. Prove thyself should be reworked to have nothing to do with gen speeds, stacking on a gen should have a much harsher penalty than it does currently, and toolboxes need to do something other than just improve gen times. Perhaps making working on one quieter or counter perks around gen auras like surveillance or discordance for as long as it's being used.

Point is, you need to work only on the crazy outlier situations and not the general gen times.

Crazy idea for prove thyself:

"Escaping the killer in a chase fills you with confidence, granting you one token, stacking three times. Each token reduces repair/healing/cleansing/opening exit speeds by 9/7/5% but increases movement speed by 3%. At three stacks, gain the broken status. Being hooked removes all tokens."

This makes sense, when I first started playing survivor, I would miss skill checks all the time, now when I play Survivor (I mostly play killer) I don't miss that many of them. I can't imagine how easy skill checks are for people that play all the time and our in red and purple ranks.

The game is way to fast. I have to commit to 3 gens way to early to be consistent. This strategy gets really old and stale.

I can bring mori, camp,or tunnel to get a survivor out early. This strategy is effective but not good for the health of the game.

The amount of toolboxes being brought in the past few weeks is compounding the issue. But its DBD... oneside loves to kick the otherside when their down.

While I sympathise with the time pressure placed on killer caused by generator-speed, I also try to see it from the other side.

If survivors weren't able to pump out all 5 generators within 2 minutes, it would mean that in order to win the killer just needs to camp everyone on the hook to death, since the survivors have no meaningful way to punish it. Thus making fast generators a nessecary evil.

Map design, and survivors stacking up 2nd chance perks are more of a problem in my opinion. If you have a big map like Mother's Dwelling or a map littered with zero-counterplay loops like Blood Lodge, there is really nothing the killer can do if survivors are determined to finish the generators. The chasetime and the time it takes for killers to patrol generators is what causes the imbalance in my opinion.

I think games go too fast, and players aren't able to do everything they need to most times.

When i play as survivor it seems slow, when i play a killer the gens are too fast. Survivors have to realize that gen rushing too fast keeps them from piping.

Generators pop much too quickly. Lately, within a matter of 20 seconds, a Generator will be done. Some matches are terrible for me, others I could come back from and still kill all Survivors. It just depends.

It would be awesome if there was a Hex or Killer Perk for a Generator to be irreparable. For example, the Generator would appear as normal, but it would be too broken to actually work, sort of a zombie Generator. And that Generator wouldn't count as part of the five, it would just fizzle out when completed. The Survivors would still get their Bloodpoints, though.

I think that would be fair; it would buy the Killer more time if Survivors wasted time with that particular Generator or Generators; the highest would be two per match. Or, if that's too brutal, the Generators would, instead, have to be repaired twice.

You don't speak for everyone. I don't find being chased fun at all. I much prefer stealthing around the killer when he's near. The only time I enjoy a chase is if I can give the killer the slip. Running in circles and dropping pallets has never been fun for me.

For similar reasons, playing as killer is not very enjoyable for me in general. I don't enjoy hitting people or running in circles. I tend to play as fairly as possible and feel bad about killing them unless they get salty about it in endgame chat.

The game overall goes too fast in my opinion.

There's a drastic difference in the time it takes for a Killer to complete their objective and a Survivor to get there's done. This can change with different tactics like slugging or camping but if you want to play "Fair" meaning chasing, downing and hooking 4 Survivors 3 different times each then If both sides at an equal level usually the game will favor the Survivors.

There's also the matter of the beginning of the match being skewed in the Survivors favor since they have nothing to do but Generators while the killers is traversing the map, looking for survivors or setting up.

When I play survivor usually we dominate the poor killer because they’re only a green or purple rank going against red ranks and that’s not fair first of all so gens fly and when I play killer I’m constantly having to juggle because I commit to a chase for too long gens will fly but I haven’t had much of a problem with that since I’m a pretty good doc.

At the start of the game and on big maps gens are too fast.

After a chase or 2 gen times are fine on most maps.

I'll be honest, they feel way too fast on both sides. I primarily play killer, and having three gens pop at the first hook is absolutely demoralizing.

When I do play survivor, it still seems way too fast. Unless the killer is absolutely amazing at spreading pressure out to everyone and can track all survivors at least reasonably, it seems like my first gen usually pops before I even see the killer. I might hear their TR for a few seconds, but it's pretty rare that I have to actually worry on the first gen. After that, I'll probably see the killer, but I'm typically about 75% finished with the next gen before they find me. By that point, it doesn't matter how poorly I do at the chase. I can get unhooked, run back to my gen, finish it, and then usually every gen is completed. This is entirely without speed perks or toolboxes, since, I'll be honest, I see how unpleasant they are to play against on the other side, so I try to avoid them.

I know the devs don't want to increase gen times or add secondary objectives, but it doesn't really feel like things are playing right at the moment. I'd like to see something, I don't really care what, to shake things up a little when working on gens. And please don't just make it another bandaid perk, especially after removing the bandaid of Ruin.