killers need to be able to opt out of SWF

SenzuDuck said:

Absolutely not - make it so 4-Man SWFs are forced to play against their lowest rank, not a survivor issue. People want to play with their friends regardless of rank.

Here's master saying he deranks

Here's HellDescent saying he deranks

did.... did these survivors ask for this? Do... do you think they like being curb stomped because a killer can't handle the rank he's got too so cheats and intentionally loses matches so he can play against newer survivors.

The difference is - you can see your survivors, you can check their hours (providing they're public) and dodge. A survivor has no chance in hell to see how experienced their killer is.

Both sides get ranked against other ranks just as poorly, again - lets not pretend this is only a survivor thing as you like to do so often.

Another example of you being biased..... brand new killer too the game gets smashed by rank 1s...... senzuduck "get better"  noob survivors who will get wrecked by a noob killer anyways because they dont know what safe pallet is.... senzuduck "did they ask for this"  .. this op is making a suggestion that would help newer players play killer more. If they actually went up against players their skill level maybe they would have a better experience playing killer and maybe more people would play killer... I mean in the red ranks that lobby simulator is certainly enjoyable for survivors I wonder why that is? 

@gamerx42z said:
The other problem with SWF that people keep ignoring is if throws off matchmaking. Does nobody besides me know the pain of getting rank 1-2 players as a newbie rank (15-20) killer?
I've even seen instances of rank 20 killer going against a rank 1 SWF duo. Tell me why this should happen?

Rank glitch.(At least on the ps4) Needs to be removed, but the devs haven't yet.

@Mycroft said:

@SenzuDuck said:

@Mycroft said:

@SenzuDuck said:

@Mycroft said:
It's amazing the dynamic of this game and the dissonance of the people who play it. A lone survivor can say "This isn't fun." and BHVR's crack team sends everyone out McLean,
Horvath all of them break their necks to analyze a way to make that survivor happy.

A killer says the same and you get a mass response yes, of people who crawl out of the woodwork to convince you the legitimate fundamental unfairness inherent in this game does not exist. I mean you heard it here, folks "Solo survivors will be brought up to the levels of SWF survivors then killers will be buffed" apparently that's BHVR speak for saying at that point killers will have to get stronger to deal with that confluence of crap there will be no choice. All of this is TBA. Which is what we've been told now for months on end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_edXbh-_mEw

Lets list some things you'll ignore and pretend never happened

Pallets - A lot of these were removed, especially the loops where you'd have two pallets around the same obstacle. (I've seen a rare bug of two of them spawn recently though)

Exhaustion - Can no longer reasonably double proc an exhaustion perk. While Sprint Burst was the issue, they also nerfed things like balanced landing & dead hard (lol, the most easily baitable exhaustion perk ever)

Insta Flashlights - These are removed, sure a well timed survivor can still get you but there are perks to counter this and simply standing on top of a downed survivor can bait out any willing flashlighter.

BNPS - (In all honesty I hate these things and are glad they've been nerfed to kingdom come) The other addon every killer likes to moan about, now it takes the equivalent of 4 of these in a match to do the same damage as one used too

Pickup - Killer pickup speed increased, also making it more difficult to flashlight blind.

Vault + Pallet Speeds - These were changed within the last 6 months, they were made faster for every killer.

Generator Regression - Gens used to be locked to only regressing 20% after being kicked, they can now regress to 0%

and lastly - literally every killer is being buffed, addons changed speeds increased.

BUT OF COURSE THE DEVS ARE SO SCARED OF MAKING THE GAME HARDER FOR SURVIVORS RIGHT?!

What was the last buff survivors got? Oh yea - they fixed the bug where survivor were being hit through dropped pallets, thanks BHVR!

Let's list things that they've changed with trepidation then gone right back the next patch and almost nullified.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox-ya48hUNQ

Sorry but nothing on planet earth can get me to watch a TydeTime video.

"Pallet Buff" - You mean the pallet fix?
"Bloodlust nerf" - You mean where they got rid of BL3 (If you were using BL3 regularly you're a very bad player)

I also forgot - a long with these HUGE bl nerfs they also changed some of the biggest problem areas for survivor to loop around.

But hey - instead of disputing my comments lets paste a [BAD WORD] tyde time video, LOL

Exactly, so why even bother discussing it? Have a good night, or day.

I actually started watching it! Had to stop though when he said he thinks killers melting through pallets felt better that way.

I actually can't with that guy - he's so funny.

Uhh no.

SWF work because survs are op. A lone survivor can win a game for himself because the killer needs a lot of buffs. It's not a swf problem rather the killer lacking the power of owning and dominating the match.

@Mycroft said:
Cheat With Friends...

So much fun for killers we have to bribe you to play it.

Ranks right up there with jury duty, spiking women's drinks, prostate exams and Catholic church.

Yep gotta keep using that excuse when stats say that's not always the case, but don't let facts get in your way.

4 strangers = 30%
2 friends + 2 strangers = 34.1%
2 friends + 2 friends = 9.5%
3 friends + 1 stranger = 17.9%
4 friends = 8.5%

So just in case that's 30% of the time there isn't a mic in use and 64.1% of the time there might be 2 mics in use. Since not every swf group uses mics as has beens tated by some but hey those pesky facts again.

@Peanits said:
I'll play Devil's Advocate.

Who's going to opt to play against well coordinated survivors? I'm willing to bet not many.
What's that going to do to SWF queue times? It'll make it go through the roof. Remember the beta? That'll just happen again. People will just dodge lobbies until they get in the lobby with their friends, driving up queue times for everyone in the process. And then when you do end up against a group, you won't even know, and people will still complain and accuse them of being a group.

This imo is the wrong way to fix the problem, I agree they cant seperate SWF as no one would play against them or very little.

Killer is fine against solo
Solo players are playing as intended
SWF breaks the game which is causing the problem

So what is happening? the devs are fixing killers and solo players, instead of simply fixing SWF!

I am a solo player and to be honest the direction the devs are taking the game is making it stupidly easy, all the notifications and aura perks take away the fun of the game.

Dont need to hunt as a killer anymore, lets equip these aura perks and I will see where they are, no need to play the game as I have so many one hit down options, no need to be aware of what perks the killer has as there is a notification letting me know, everything about the game is being changed and not for the better for those who liked having to think and mindgame.

They are constantly dumbing down the game and all because of SWF, why not hinder them instead, I was never in favour of that but since the game is now being changed so you dont have to think whatsoever its time to solve the problem not everything around it.

One of the most recent ######### moments for me was in the last dev stream, does McClean really think having Freddy see every survivor once he puts one to sleep a good idea? that is mind blowingly off the mark, how can anyone think that punishing a player for another one being caught is a good idea, this makes me think they are so out of touch, if this happens I will DC when I play against Freddy, right now I have only DC'd around four times in a few hundred hours due to laggy killers but I refuse to play against a mechanic which punishes myself for some random player being caught.

Simple fixes, if you join via SWF you cannot stack items or offerings, no more flashlights/toolboxes or map offerings being over used to try and dictate the play.

4 man SWF - sa above but you also cannot use perks that enhance speeds, no self care allowed and No DS, 6 gens need done to power the gates..
3 man SWF - you start as a 3 man and the game is normal but only one DS allowed.
2 man SWF can only join with 2 random survivors and as it is now.

This way the game is being balanced around how it was meant to be played and they can then stop trying to hold us by the hand taking us to where we need to go, make this game the hunt, hide, run, evade, kill game it should be.

@SenzuDuck said:

@HellDescent said:

@SenzuDuck said:

@HellDescent said:

@gamerx42z said:
So I've been playing on and off for a few months started playing more when it became a plus game. The one thing that's really been bugging me is I often will get matched up with rank 2 SWF groups when I'm a rank 15 killer. Seriously it's happened twice in an hour at this point.

The matchmaking is very unbalanced when SWF comes up and they should not be facing killers in the newbie ranks, I'd really like to see an option to opt out of SWF completely. Give killers who opt into SWF double bp or some other incentive maybe.

I'm sick of swf. I came up with temporary solution for myself, to blow off some steam. Its in the description. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKHa6EL3Ls0
This has been addressed so many times but devs refuse to do make it happen.

Intentionally playing against new survivors so you can then bully - very admirable of yourself.
Absolute embarrassment, i've seen three killer mains talk about intentionally deranking now, and they're all incredibly vocal about balance. I'd love to speak to the newer players you intend to bully and see if they thinks it's fair and balanced they'll have to play against people who know all the mechanics of the game.

I am talking about toxic swf squads, not the people who play the game the way its intended to.

Right, and do you just assume everyone is a 4 man squad then?
Lets not pretend you're going to play "fair" you'll just assume everyone is SWF and play the best you can regardless.

New players don't want to go against "experienced" killers that are "going easy" on them - they want to play and learn.

at this points according to most killers on this forum just doing gens is toxic, it's hilarious.
Get. Better. At. The. Game.

Lol according to most killers? Way to make a statement ey?

Tell that to seasoned streamers that main killer. Tell them they need to get better lol.
There is a skill cap on killers. Regardless of how good you are. If a map is not balanced for example. No amount of skill is going to overcome that.

Skilled survivors vs skilled killers. I can easily put down a list of killer main streamers. That you can see struggle to win. If they are so seasoned you had expect them to wipe the floor with survivors especially SWF games. Yet they struggle. You are talking about 3k to 4k hour streamers struggling with SWF.

One simple reason. Comms. The game does not have comms for a reason. As a survivor you are meant to be disadvantaged by the lack of comms. SWF negates that whole concept and gives an unfair advantage. Any other argument is obsolete. If random rank 1 survivors can give a hard time...let alone mention swf rank 1s.....