Killers Can't Complain About Anything on The Survivor Side Now.

even before these changes were made, gens were getting done way too fast.

Besides, the other stuff needed changing as well. After gen rushing is taking care of by introducing some sort of slowdown mechanic, the game will be fine. -- well, good enough anyway

These nerfs have done nothing but exacerbate the issues in the game. BHVR has forced survivors to do nothing but generators for the best chance of escaping. Time wasted by searching boxes, looking for totems, and chasing can lose a match for them

The only thing the nerfs have done is incentivize and only incentivize doing gens. The past half year's worth of balancing has been a utter disaster

I wholeheartedly disagree that the past half a year of balancing has been a disaster, quite the opposite actually.

I am someone who plays 50/50, though I do sometimes prefer to play Survivor for the chases, and the balance has been relatively better than what it was ages ago. To deny that is just being willfully ignorant of the attempts the devs have made to create a more balanced game (which they have)

It's not as balanced as it should be right now, purely because the maps themselves present a real issue, but it is far better to play DBD right now than it was 1-2 years ago.

Oh I do agree that the meta is strict, but they are the meta for a reason.

Especially when you get more competitive, you begin to feel like the meta is necessary because both sides want to bring the best.

And what's wrong about that? You will still see people with meme builds, but if you want to win you have to use the perks that are arguably the best of the best. Would I love to see Killers that use anything other than NOED? Of course. But do I care if they use NOED all the time? I don't.

I guess I can't say much myself because my builds usually consists of Dead Hard, Iron Will, Borrowed Time & Adrenaline. Or STBFL, Pop Goes the Weasel, BBQ & Chili and Sloppy Butcher.

You can certainly still play with meme builds, but you shouldn't be expected to really win with them since it will always be an uphill struggle. It makes no sense to try and use other perks other than the meta if you want to win. But if you want to just mess around and not care how the game ends (like my build of Head-On, Quick & Quiet, Iron Will and Decisive Strike), then that option is still available to you.

Just don't expect to have an easy time because everyone is competitive especially in high ranks.

I plyed 168 games as solo survivor since the last patch, and i died in 58 of them.

In the ones that i died (and that were 3 or 4ks), it was not uncommon for a game to resolve around a combination of mori/camping/tunneling,

as well as suvivors simply losing the game for being stupid (my survival rate took a big hit after the rank reset. Now in red ranks its better again)

Hookfarming, some people just doing nothing than hidding around the map (for a long time i thought those people dont exist, but i had to take aura perks, and now i know they do), and survivors just flocking around the hook, or running to the hook with the killer in tow.

I would say this game is still survivor sided, but if you play solo, it depends a lot on the survivor you get. Just one potato can lose the game for all of them.

Wow, another moron that doesn’t understand how the game works. It’s a 2-sided game, killer AND survivor. As long as the game remains horribly unbalanced and heavily favoring the survivor side, killers mains can ask for all the debuffs they want. This doesn’t mean they’ll get them, some requests would be too OP to even consider. Four years; 4 years of one side having a heavy advantage by simple clicking on the ‘Play as Survivor’ button.

Edit: Yes, after the map rework and the killer reworks, the game is still unbalanced favoring survivors, it’s just not as bad now.

I see little facts or Math but there is plenty of emotional biased thinking and ridiculous claims

The data isn't telling you the full picture many players in this game lack situational awareness, the ability to outthink an enemy and the like. The numbers present a statistic you can bring them up all the time, but you forget one simple thing. What do we change? Did these killers lose because they tunneled, had imbalanced rank MM, were running weird builds, etc. I personally don't care for numbers and the argument "But the chart says" I want a genuine detailed reason for why is such and such

That is the most ridiculous and absurd claim I've seen in this thread yet. So you've somehow been able to remember the last time you saw a skill-check fail despite all the rank resets, despite perks, addons and the Doctor, you've not seen a failed skill-check in 2 years? Something tells me the last time you played survivor was in 2018. Because that statistic is quite literally so improbable I have a better chance of being eaten by a Jet-Pack Shark then have it actually be true. Its claims like this that exemplify the ACTUAL reason people want nerfs, and its not because of fairplay

Let me guess, you main the Spirit?

Glad someone said it. Really tired of survivors getting nerfed patch after patch because killers can't take their own and advice and "get good".

It'd be nice if BHVR took some time to give survivirs something other than perks/cosmetics to play with as a distraction but nah...they're too busy spoonfeeding killers their 4ks.

It's not about ruin anymore! It's about bringing balance and trying to give the non-viable killer's a chance. Nurse, Spirit, Billy, etc. are the only top tier killer's because they could waste time dealing with strong and un-mindgameable loops and if they couldn't, they had the map pressure to drop a chase. Leatherface and Clown couldn't because their map and chase pressure is #########. It's not fun being on a map where survivor's can go from loop to loop with a window right there, and not being able to do anything about it except drop the chase and go find another survivor just to have 3 gens pop, and than have another gen or two pop by the time you get your first hook! But god forbid when the killer is Nurse or Spirit (Killer's that force survivor's to use different tactics) that killer needs to be nerfed because they have great map pressure, and you can't mindlessly loop them.

Those perks are YOUR choice of using, no killer's shouldn't be a reason you are forced to run perks!

It's actually not a choice when almost every game killers are campin and tunnelin because they legit don't have the skill to outplay therefore is no other choice to run anti tunnelin perks!!

Well it's no fun bein camped or tunneled then killers complain of bein gen rushed because they choose to play like dicks 🤷🏻‍♂ u'll find most of the maps have doors where a window vault is now, and the clown can easily stop a loop with his gas, and imo clown is has quite good movement speed, non of the killers really need a nerf, certainly none of them need a buff either, i am sick of killer mains STILL cryin for nerfs even after the new killer will render our meta perks useless 🤷🏻‍♂ ppl seem to think a mori is balanced? On the hook, tunneled off the hook BOOM dead, how fun for the survivor, and tbh whilst balance is in there keys make most survivors play selfish! This game will never be balanced, everyone just needs to stop bein toxic to each other and have fun

This was BHVR's original intent! Idk abandon the idea, but I believe if they stuck with bringing solo survivor up strength with SWF than we would be in a more balanced state, but they insist on nerfing survivor's instead