Why LGBT is so important?

What do you think guys, why LGBT is so important for the devs, because of the equality what it represents or because of the profit? If it would not be a trend right now, the devs would make stand for it?

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  • Actionjacksn
    Actionjacksn Member Posts: 186

    Okay, but what is the main reason? Profit or supporting?

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,791

    Actually you'd be surprised- BHVR isn't that huge. They have, like, 500 employees. Not 500 people for DBD, 500 employees- that's the marketing, PR, HR, devs, devs for other games (they make quite a few mobile games), according to their website they offer free hot meals to all staff so I'd guess catering staff too. In comparison to a lot of other companies BHVR is pretty small.

  • Kate_cx
    Kate_cx Member Posts: 181

    Oh I didn't know that, thanks for clarifying!

    But my point still stands, any company would look respectful and professional if they support any kind of movement regardless of how big or small they are.

  • FreddieGibbs
    FreddieGibbs Member Posts: 20

    I'd definitely say that it's for the community, seeing as there's crap going down in the recent times. Plus, that kinda thing does bring more profit on its own I'd imagine, so I don't see why they shouldn't.

  • mouse0270
    mouse0270 Member Posts: 849

    A company itself can't stand for anything, its the people that matter. Knowing the handful of devs, I believe they honestly support the LGBT Community.

    So the question really is, if the majority of the employee's support the community and its a plus for the company to say it does as a whole. Then why wouldn't you. As @Orion Said

    They're a company, saying they do something for profit is like saying the ocean is salty; it adds nothing to the discussion.

    So the question comes down to, do the employee's support the LGBT community and like I said I can't speak for them all, but I suspect most if not all do.

  • Mooks
    Mooks Member Posts: 14,783

    If they purely wanted it for the profit, they would have decided to do it earlier I think. They made a statement after community feedback asking for it that they don’t want to do it. They just changed this statement now because they have contradicted themselves and the community made them aware of it.

  • PlaysByShady
    PlaysByShady Member Posts: 590

    I don't understand any of this (and am happy to be educated about it) - why does the sexual orientation matter? It's not like the game revolves around making these kinds of life choices... it's about survival. Running from a killer! Where exactly is it relevant to wonder whether character X likes boys, girls, or boys and girls, etc? How does that effect gameplay?

    And particularly on the subject of identification with the characters, how about this? We have multiple white characters, multiple black characters, and multiple oriental characters (if I can use that term), both in male and female varients. Where are the South-Asian-esque characters? People of a polynesian, or indian/middle-eastern background, where is their representation? When I play the game, there is literally no character that even comes close to resembling me in appearance - if it's about representation, surely this should be addressed first, before addressing factors that aren't even a part of the gameplay?

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    Sexual orientation doesn't matter, it's just another piece of lore. If you don't read the lore, it won't affect you.

    There are only so many survivors in the game and over 200 independent territories. It might take a while before they cover every region on the globe. Be patient.

  • PlaysByShady
    PlaysByShady Member Posts: 590

    Yeah, I don't buy the territory thing. Diversity is easy enough if you stop duplicating models/regions.

    We got multiple white males, white females, black males, oriental females. It'd be really easy to add more diversity if you stop duplicating what you already have. One model can look like nearly enough a massive range if you choose something generic enough.

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    We've got survivors from Lebanon, China, Japan, Sweden, and (presumably) Korea, among other regions. In fact, other than licensed characters, the devs have made survivors from multiple countries.

    Each model is different, it's not as easy as you think.

  • Mooks
    Mooks Member Posts: 14,783

    They didn’t they they would add a char for every possible sexual orientation or gender or what.

    they merely stated they might add the themes in the lore and will not restrict themselves anymore in this regard.

    its not about representing every possible individual. But they have said they won’t add anything LGBT (or straight) but they never restricted themselves with ethnicities or anything else.

  • aregularplayer
    aregularplayer Member Posts: 906

    It is a company, of course everything is about profit. If they did support it despite of profit they would be supporting it from day one. People who think otherwise are naive. Period.

  • brokedownpalace
    brokedownpalace Member Posts: 8,803

    I'm pretty sure they let you choose non-binary or other, though.

  • DrDeepwound
    DrDeepwound Member Posts: 2,557
    edited June 2020

    not the last time I took one they may have changed it since, but it was male or female at one time. ;)

  • Milord
    Milord Member Posts: 273

    Eh, they just made a statement and that's it. We haven't really seen how it's gonna be implemented, so I don't know why it became such a big deal here in the forum.

    Although to answer the OP, I try not to put too much emphasis on intention. Say, if a company donates to a charity, does it really matter why they're doing it? Better to help unwillingly than to willingly not help.

    But again, BHVR really hasn't done anything yet.

  • Anara
    Anara Member Posts: 1,297

    It's why I think it's both!

    Thanks for your arguments, I'm not English I can't explain like that 👀

  • PlaysByShady
    PlaysByShady Member Posts: 590

    I think you're missing the point I'm trying to make. Let's take Feng and Yui as examples. Do you not think that a person who identifies closely to one could also identify with the other? They're ethnically similar and not that far apart to the extent where other regions are completely non-existent.

    You've got Tapp and Adam, again, same question? Is it too much to imagine that anyone who identifies with one couldn't identify with another?

    And now consider this at the same time as asking, what possible survivor could someone from a Mid-Eastern background identify with? There's well over 20 characters, and not a single one that comes close here. And yes, I get that some come from licences so are fixed in their nature to a degree, but that doesn't mean that non-licenced characters need to duplicate them.

    If we're talking about representation of players, I would argue that making a more ethnically diverse cast would cover a lot more representation and do much more in this regard, rather than forcing in some LGBT backstory which has absolutely zero effect on any aspect of the gameplay itself and appears to only exist as a token gesture.

  • Anara
    Anara Member Posts: 1,297

    I know it's the first one, I just was thinking for a second "maybe he said Fu** u idiot because I'm French" lol

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    Given the history between China and Japan, no, I don't believe one could identify with the other.

    Where exactly do you think Lebanon is? It borders Syria and Israel, for crying out loud.

    Ethnicity also has zero impact on gameplay and is more difficult to implement than a simple pronoun in a character's backstory saying they had a same-sex partner.

  • CriminalMind_ITA
    CriminalMind_ITA Member Posts: 93

    Just for money.

  • Mooks
    Mooks Member Posts: 14,783
    edited June 2020

    You are missing the point. They might very well add more ethnicities, and they actually do (see Zarina). But the characters are so much more than only their ethnicity. Min is a pro-gamer, lone wolf, while Yui is the leader of a female-only biker gang that cares deeply for others. Why should there only be one of them? (Plus you were basically saying Chinese and Japanese don’t have differences, which is totally incorrect)

    Adding LGBT does not stop adding a more diverse ethnicity cast. And they will not force in those themes (why would you think that??). They actually said there is at least 1 LGBT char already in the cast and with the tomes they would need to restrict themselves from mentioning past relationships etc. It is also only affecting the lore.


    so while representation is nice to have, this has (almost) nothing to do with it.

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    Yeah, I get the feeling we all knew Spongebob was gay. This is like that guy in high school who's always trying to prove how much of a man he is and constantly calling everyone else gay coming out after graduation.

    We always knew, Steve. We always knew.

  • SpookyStabby
    SpookyStabby Member Posts: 621

    All I gotta say is the lack of awareness of the history between China and Japan... and the use of the "O" term... YIKES.

  • GodDamn_Angela
    GodDamn_Angela Member Posts: 2,213

    It became a "big deal" because BHVR stated over and over again that the characters are whatever you want them to be and they didn't write them with any sexuality or identity in mind. Then they went against this, and have made a statement acknowledging that they have being writing the characters as straight the whole time. Which is kind of a big deal to some of us, because we were basically lied to just so they wouldn't have to "deal" with it or take a stance on anything. But if anyone was surprised by "they are whatever you want them to be" as "they are written heterosexual" then I dunno what to say.

    It makes sense, because the basic/norm is heterosexual(and cis) that's why so many people ask if any characters are gay or trans or what have you. No one asks if any of them are straight because we all assume if it is not stated otherwise, even when being stated as "a blank slate", that they are straight. Its just how our society is and BHVR tried to take the easy way out but have finally admitted that they just weren't trying, so for some people that's a big deal and looks like damage control. lol

    I'm not even upset about any of this, I saw it coming. So it'll be good if they try to change it up but I dunno. If I don't get my "David is gay" and "Kate + Jeff is totally real guyz" I'm going to riot. I NEED my ships and headcanon to be real. ngl

  • PodgeNotRodge
    PodgeNotRodge Member Posts: 478

    As much as this is something to celebrate and support in real life. If treated incorrectly this could kill the game. All I've been hearing of lately is "Who is the most LGBT character?", "Should we get LGBT cosmetics?", "Should we be able to switch genders of certain characters?"

    Just think for a moment, say they do make a LGBT character. Next argument will be, 'Not enough representation of it in game'. That will only encourage them to start making the next few survivors LGBT. So no. Dont introduce LGBT characters as YOU are the survivor. I play Nea and I'm straight, so Nea is straight. If you play Nea and you're gay. Then Nea is gay. The character can be what you want them to be as it's you playing them. And just cause they dont have a 'LGBT backstory' doesnt make them any less. Make a few cosmetics in game FOR FREE like a shirt, a hoodie so people (if they want to) can show their support. That is all that should be done with this.

  • GodDamn_Angela
    GodDamn_Angela Member Posts: 2,213
    edited June 2020

    Sorry but did you just saw that Feng and Yui are basically the same character because they are both ASIAN?! Are you kidding me?! They are completely different characters. Adam and Tapp are also completely different. The fact that you think race "blanket terms" (not really sure what to call it) is more important, and defining, of a person/character than their actual story/experiences/personality says a lot about you. Race is important to people, yes, but it doesn't mean they can only identify with someone of their own race.

    We have a character from Lebanon. But I won't tell anyone so you can continue acting like you have a point. 🤫

  • Mooks
    Mooks Member Posts: 14,783

    That’s not true. They always were defined characters and not blank husks. They have defined backstories and families and relations. BHVR stated they don’t want to confirm their sexuality but they contradicted themselves and reveals some relationships - only heterosexuals. They have already stated that at least one char is in fact LGBT, but they never said who and didn’t want to reveal it - now they could do that with the tomes.


    that said, if you play Nea and she is stated to be lesbian, that shouldn’t affect your gameplay at all. Nothing stops you from having your head canon.

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    I already said we had a character from Lebanon, just FYI. Their reply was in response to me pointing that out.

  • PodgeNotRodge
    PodgeNotRodge Member Posts: 478

    If they made an LGBT character, why not state who? It's a game. I'd like to know when this was said as if it was said when the character was created rather than when this discussion came up would be interesting.

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    This was said a long time ago, I think last year.

    They didn't state who because they originally said they didn't want to state characters' sexual orientations. However, it was then brought to their attention that they had been doing that since the Nurse was released, years ago. That's why, now, they won't restrict themselves to just straight relationships.

  • YaiPa
    YaiPa Member Posts: 1,929

    sponges are hermaphrodites (some of them even true hermaphrodites), they have both male and female gonads, there isn't a gender distinction between sponges, sexuality as we know in humans has never been observed in any animal, hence biologically speaking it doesn't make sense for a sponge to be homosexual (yes, even in a show where there's fire underwater it doesn't make sense).

    the show never actually hints his orientation, every image you brought doesn't prove anything (the last one is even out of context, probably from the average "represented by spongebob" meme). The average spongebob fan doesn't even know what that means, so it can't be used as an identification (especially since its sexuality has been revealed through other media, not the show itself).

    adding the historical period when it was revealed, it's not hard to understand that it was just a marketing and politically correct strategy, which I'm fine with, we are in 2020 after all.

  • brokedownpalace
    brokedownpalace Member Posts: 8,803

    I just cracked up from that. It works perfectly either way 😅

  • Mooks
    Mooks Member Posts: 14,783

    Ask the devs. I actually can’t find the statement now, it was a while ago, I don’t even know exactly in which form (possibly a Q&A?)

    even if it was not stated, we have chars with confirmed hetero relationships and we have many more chars without any mentions at all. With the tomes and actually news backstories they expand the lore even more and ever deeper. Not mentioning any non-heterosexual relationship at all would be creatively very restricting and also feel very unnatural.

  • SpookyStabby
    SpookyStabby Member Posts: 621

    Yeah, being told that from now on will lean VERY heavily on the tone of voice and context. Haha

  • Saitamfed
    Saitamfed Member Posts: 1,620
    edited June 2020

    It's not unnatural at all. The games until now have pretty much had most or every character in a heterosexual relationships and that's not weird.