Is it fair to 99 the exit gate?

It's fair for the survivors to use what they have. That is to say, it would be unfair to punish the survivors for working with the rules of the game has set.

It is unfair but it's an unfairness in design and not on the players. The end game collapse PRESENTS itself as some big count down where thee survivors are under pressure to get out but the devs buggered it up and basically defanged into 'T-Bag at the gate timer' weither you actually tbag at the gate is optional. It's what it's become.

It has all these bells and whistles graphically with this looming count down BUT...survivors dictate when the count down starts and the count down only starts when the safest zone in the game is opened up. It had the potential to be a great end game mechanic where survivors have to actually act with urgency and don't have absolute control of time, letting the killer go on the offensive-as they should since there is no gens left- without having to worry about defending gens.

There's a big joke about "the end game" such as "end game totems" or really the concept. There is no end game. The EGC could of given both sides an ACTUAL end game period where the tone of the game shifts. Where survivors no longer dictate the clock of the game-the biggest power and the most stressful to be under...which is why killers regularly complain about gen popping as unfun and stressful- but nope...

It only activates when the safest zone you can damage boosts into is open. Even more so, since maps are smaller-which is a good thing but just another example of how EGC does literally nothing but limit how long you can linger at the gate despite all its bells and whistles pretending it some big, threatening doom clock- and survivors dictate when that zone can be opened.

and the cherry on top. They can 99%

poor design ontop of poor design. Wasted chance after wasted chance.

When the EGC was new it was fun because it added actual end game urgency. I didn't care if I lose the survivors because a survivor in a chase with me, running from an raging oni and barly scraping a miss one shot as the end game bell dinged into the exit gate was AWESOME. It felt actually stressful and cinematic. I fel like an actual slasher killer who had time on my side for that brief moment in the game.

and then survivors realized how utterly toothless EGC was and just 99% the gates. I don't blame them. Opening the gate instead of prepping it puts all survivors on the back foot and can cause a altrusim cascade of death.

Right now thanks to this not only has blood warden been pretty much destroyed. It's more or less left NOED as the only true end game perk and mechanic. I mean...remember too...I guess...but...it's so mediocre I don't think it ever stopped someone getting away unless they were the last person and I got lucky.

Unless you count 3 gening as end game but 3 gening pretty much truly equates to-did the survivors mess up and give you perfect 3 gen defensive or is one gen far enough to gen rush even if you pop it-

And opening the gate yourself is a concession unless you have noed. Opening the gate yoursell after you down someone to hook them for blood warden is basically just a big, long winded "hey I got bloodwarden" dance to survivors.

i could get behind the exit gates slowly losing power. But maybe 1% every 5 seconds. Illers do still have the option to trigger the end game so they can always do that.

why not start EGC when the exit gate latch is touched instead of when it's opened? lengthen it by the amount of time needed to open a gate.

When I use bloodwarden I usually try to force the survivors to open them to void suspicion.

When it comes to early egc when the gens are done would probably be a bad idea due to it being a nightmare to balance. Noed and pigs traps would be a nightmare to deal with if it immediately started.

But a regression of the exit gates is a good idea, at least give the killer a choice to open or regress it himself. The reason is that currently there are no pros and cons for 99% a gate, just pros. Survivors are under little pressure at this point of the game and a regression would add some tense moments for the survivors and they would have to weight their options.

Also it only takes 20 seconds to open a gate, with a regression penalty it would only probably take 3 to 5 seconds to open after regression. So survivors can't make a beeline to the exit gates after a save mindlessly, they will have to think and plan more which imo is a good thing.

On the other hand there should be an exit switch on either side of the exit gates so that the trapper can't trap an exit as easily for an easy gg.

It should lose progress like the generators do

Okay, this is such a dumb thing to say. There are unfair things all sides do. Survivors should be allowed to 99 and gen rush as long as killers can camp and slug. They're the 2 staple scummy strategies on both sides. The fact is, in many situations these strategies can work wonderfully. So taking away a scummy strategy that works well from one side isn't quite fair if the other is left untouched.

Don't assume what I understand or not. Survivors don't 99 for that purpose alone. They do in order to have more time to perform rescues as well, which in that case actually works in favor of the killer too, because it encourages altruism. In regards to Bloodwarden, the situation is no different than it was from pre-EGC, except survivors actually risk getting trapped and dying to the timer when it's timed right.

The issue is once again trying to turn a game mechanic into a tool for The Killer. EGC is not intended to favor anyone. It's to bring the match to a culmination, it's a mechanism to prevent survivors from holding the match hostage. The Killer is free to initiate the collapse.

This^ EGC isnt supposed to give you free kills.

Killers wanting to somehow nerf the gates lol yall never stop finding new things to complain about.

Totally understand that. That's why I'm saying if you (as killer) don't want the survivors to have that extra time, go open the gate. Then the EGC will stop. I've seen plenty of killers do that. They'll down someone, go open the gate, then hook. It works especially good with Blood Warden.

If they change the doors like the hooks got changed then doors have to spawn on both side of the map instead of next door period

It practically defeats the purpose of endgame collapse, remember that thing they introduced? So how is it fair? Just let the survivors take their time, not under pressure?

Exactly. It would reward good door pressure and will also force survivors to open the door immediately. Think it would also inadvertently buff Blood Warden.

Ino opening the doors slower isn't what you want when running Blood Warden but with the regression thing then it makes sense for the survivors to open the door immediately.

it should regress to what light the gate is on. not resetting all the way, but also not so the survivors can open it at the very last second

I once accidentally opened the gate while one survivor was hooked and it was the most fun I had the whole day. Racing against the clock to save him. It was so close but we all managed to escape at the last second. That's the kind of fun I imagined from the end game collapse. They should definitely do something with the 99% gate strat.

Gens can be 99'd.......

Also yes it is fair. gg

EGC is not in the game to add extra pressure on Survivors or to help Killer in any way, its in the game to force end trials so Survivors cant take the game hostage by refusing to leave against not so very good Killers, before it was implemented on very rare ocasions some people would open the gates and stay around trolling, looping and blinding the Killer non stop just for their own amusement, EGC put an end to that by forcing the game to an end after ~2 minutes.

If you dont want the gates to be 99% go and open them yourself after downing someone.

Im just going to say that it makes absolutley zero sense for the killer to ooen the gate (unless they are pissed and just want to leave the game.)

If a killer opens the gate, they are not currently chasing or hooking or otherwise puting pressure on survivors. Even if they have bloodwarden, they wont realistically be able to hook a survivor and activate the perk before people leave.

If the killer has abandoned pressering just to walk all the way to the exit gate, it gives survivors plenty of time to heal, rescue, remove traps, cleanse a totem...

At that point, unless they just missed a Noed totem, they can just leave, even if the killer is gaurding the gate they just opened. If they are at full health, it isnt an issue to just walk out. If the killer has and instadown mechanic, they can just open the other gate in the generous 2 minute long EGC.

So what? It's an option that you have. If you don't like the 99, fix it by opening it. Don't continually ask BHVR to nerf things to cover bad performance on your part as a killer. Play all day as a survivor and you'll see that the 99 is not the problem.