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What's the actual, raw skill counter-play for Michael Myers' Evil Within 3? (Michael Myers OP af)
Say you're in a solo queue. Say your buddies inadvertently let Myers build Evil 3. Say this applies universally, to every character regardless of perk (because actual real counterplays should be basically kinda universal).
What do you do as a "any perk" survivor (let's take a level 1 Dwight with Leader for the memes), when Myers gets Evil 3 and starts chasing ONLY you? This is assuming that this Myers runs the Play With Your Food perk, like literally every Michael Myers does, every single time, ever. No Myers doesn't run this stupid perk. There isn't a Myers in the world that doesn't run this perk, unless it's for a dumber one like NOED, Ruin, or those other ten revealing-aura perks.
Michael Myers as bad as, sometimes worse than Spirits. Overpowered.
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Loop him til daylight and don’t get greedy
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do bones
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Yeah, but he's too fast to loop. He's Evil 3, he's chasin me and again for all purposes I have zero perks (no speed perks at all). What can I do if he zooms at basically a literal sprint-walk on Evil 3. He never even loses that Evil 3.
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He moves at normal speed in tier 3. The only difference in movement is his slightly longer lunge range.
Edit: And faster vaulting.
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Treat Myers as if he can pop T3 at any time. Avoid LoS as much as possible
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nothing your deadmeat.
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The best thing to do is loop until EW3 runs out. Theres not much else you can do. Do keep in mind that he vaults faster, so try not to be to reliant on those.
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Yeah basically it's impossible to win a chase/loop with a T3 myers unless you have the tighest, most perfect lines on a god pallet or always the best loop ready as soon as you need it.
Well yes, but this is assuming he's targeting me while using my friends (randoms) to build Evil 3. So I can dodge line of sight, I can try to hide but he starts zooming around the map.
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The Shape is anything but OP. He may be one of the most balanced killers in the game. He is slow to get started, but the more the survivors feed him, the stronger he gets. The counter play is distance. Lots of distance. Break line of sight and try to evade.
Nothing worries more than a Shape who has not tiered up all match and we are down to 1 or 2 gens. Infinite T3 is a massive crash. lol
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Spoken like a true Killer main! I assume you think Spirit isn't nearly as overpowered as she actually freaking is. Lol. How the hectuck does his T3 literally last INFINITELY? Even in the movies that crap ran out fast!
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sorry but you really just loop him. that's all it takes to counter him, it's no different than being chased by a plague without corrupt purge.
all i can recommend is looking up a looping guide and just keep practicing.
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Myers is pretty weak. He's got the worst early game compared to all killers. And his stalk mechanic, unlike Ghostface, is dependent on distance. The farther his is, the longer to takes to stalk up.
The counter to Myers is starving him of stalk. You might not be able to completely stop from reaching Evil Within 3, but you can make it take 2 or so gens for him to reach.
Though, Myers (and Hag) are killers that take a team effort to take down, so you just have to hope your team knows to spread out and DO NOT FEED MYERS glowing blendette.
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I would say loop him in a safe manner. Meaning not getting greedy at loops, and keeping as much distance between you and him.
So if you would normally go around at a loop, throw the pallet down, find LoS and immediately go to another safe spot. Make him think you stayed but you didn’t.
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Easy. The best counter is gen rush. 2-3 Gens can pop before he gets into T3. Then after that loop him for his T3 until it ends. And by then 2 more gens done and gates are powered. GG EZ BABY KILLER
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Drop every pallet early and hold W. Pretty easy actually.
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Yeah guys urr... Trying not to feed him IS IMPOSSIBLE. Especially in non-SWF solo queue, sometimes dudes just feed him and he tends to use the Evil off of one guy to chase another, basically effing you over even in the best break LOS and loops.
He WILL build Evil 3, no matter what you do. And you guys are saying he doesn't get a speed increase with EW 2-3 at all, but I SWEAR TO FREAKING GOD I saw him move 150% his speed straight up on Evil 3, EVERY single time.
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It's yes and no.
He gets a faster vault speed and longer lunge duration, but his base speed stays the same, 115%.
It's always going to suck to get downed because of other people's mistakes, but it doesn't make him overpowered. It's not like he gets it for free either. He's like 7 ft tall with a bone white mask. If someone runs around the map throwing every pallet early, it doesn't mean the killer is busted.
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A Bloodlust 3 Meyers with PWYF is fast.
If possible, loop him outside of chase: Break line of sight as much as possible. Pay attention to where he is (look behind you often), if you see him turn one way around a wall, take advantage of that and run the other way, keep as many objects between you and him to break LOS (it's around 4 seconds or so of loss of LOS to end bloodlust). Then take him to the next loop.
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Rofll - If you look at my posts on this forum, I argue for both sides. I was a survivor main who got tired of being camped and tunneled with no BP. As for Spirit, I find her very unbalanced and with very little counter play. Especially with Stridor. I find lots of problems with killers, such as Huntress' hit boxes, her iri head - both broken.
Shape, he is nowhere near broken. You just have to learn how to deal with him. He is slow and has a tiny TR in the beginning. The more you let him stalk you, the worse it is going to get. If you run in straight lines or try to loop him in classic ways, he will stalk you and time his T3 for the hit. That is foolish on you. The problem is, so many survivors try to treat every killer the same way. You can't. You can't play vs Shape the same way you play vs Trapper or Pig. You have to break line of sight, duck to break stalk. Force him out of stalking to come get a line of sight on you. In the meantime, you try to create distance. Weaving between trees, corn, jungle-gyms, etc. If you run around a stack of boxes, you are going to feed him power.
Shape is not an easy killer to master, ignore the stupid "ratings" given by the game. Shape requires patience and timing to get down. He is more balanced than just about any other killer. Weak at first and gradually gains strength.
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People are under the impression that you're supposed to be able to counter everything a killer does. You're not. What you're doing is stalling time for your team to do gens. Use your loops and get better perks.
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Give him good old pallet. It just works.
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You know that Mikey is one of the worse-ones killers, who haven't gotten to B-tier in a really long time, right?
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Dawg straight up you one of those people who's cool with Oni and Demo but for some weird reason think Pyramid Head is overpowered. Bruh PH is UNDERPOWERED to some people. Jeez. <3
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You... Are... though. That's called being more skiled. If you cannot win by any amount of skill, that's dumb luck and RNG. And then he can counter you, and you can counter that counter, and he can counter that counter's counter... Etc.. It's all about that!!!
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U already got the answer. Loop him or get caught. It's the same thing as any normal solo queue dbd game. If you're team is a potato all you can do is buy time, do gens urself, or hope for hatch.
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Myers 3 moves at 115% speed. This is 100% a fact.
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I'm a survivor main and Myers is not OP at all. I personally find him to be the most balanced and fun killer in the game, if I'm being honest. Yes, Tier III is strong but his early game is extremely rough. He has to give up a lot in terms of generators and early pressure in order to get the potential to snowball. He has to earn his power. By time he is out of Tier I, 2-3 gens could easily pop. It does depend on your teammates though, if they are stupid and play badly (which happens 9/10 times in solo queue), he can get to Tier III relatively easy. As most people have said, you have to loop him like you would any other killer but you have to not be greedy--throw pallets early, etc. He moves at normal speed in Tier III but you have to account for his longer lunge. And again, you can never completely 100% counter most killers, your job as a survivor is to waste as much time as possible for your teammates to do gens, not to never go down.
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All this complaining about base EW3 being OP and nobody brings up Tombstone which lets him delete you from the match without even hooking you?
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Wow, making assumptions about me basing on nothing. That's rude. Try to learn some manners, my dude.
Pyramid Head is not overpowered. He is hard to learn, but in right hands, similar to Nurse, he is incredibly strong. He can counter DS, Deliverance, Borrowed Time, Unbreakable - any Meta-perk, you name it. He is very powerful in chases, like Spirit and Nurse, and if he doesn't make mistakes it's going to be very problematic for survivor to get out of the chase alive. He has a very good anti-looping technique and has a great potential in mindgames. He could be "underpowered" only to those, who don't know how play him - just like literally every other killer is.
Oni is an objectively very strong killer, albeit not as strong as good Spirits, Nurses and Hags. He has wonderful addons, he can traverse map and pressure map a lot. Skillful Oni is a speedy nightmare, much scarier than the present Billy. Demo, on the other hand, is pretty average. His addons are not great; his power is not weak, but also not that strong. Shred might help in loops, but at some tiles and maps on the whole it's pretty useless. He is fine at most things and fun to play, but he isn't great at anything in particular.
Mikey is a good killer, don't get me wrong, but he is neither S nor A tier realistically. He is complete dogsh*t in early game and a lot of times it can be crucial. If you don't manage to find oblivious survivor, who you can feed off fast, you'll feel very bad very quickly. His map control is blatantly bad - he starts off slow and by the time he gets to the normal speed he might already lose 1-2 gens. His snowball potential, on the other hand, is quite nice and can be avoided only by good survivors. In Tier-3 he is stronger, but still can be looped successfully until his power runs out. In open maps he is bad, because of how visible he is. But in closed maps he's quite good. His addons are one of the best in the game, but without them he is mostly basic M1 killer with no benefits.
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The Shape is perfectly balanced. Survivors are not meant to run the killer around indefinitely. Even a blinkless nurse should in theory eventually catch a survivor. It's more of an issue of time. How long does it take a killer to down a survivor? The Shape trades his first hit for stalking time. That is free time survivors have on generators. He has moments of weakness to offset his moments of strength. Try to make the most of the time he takes stalking by breaking line of sight to extend the time it takes to get to EW3. Besides which survivors have the same counter play options available to them when he is in EW1 as EW3. Vault locations, pallets, breaking line of sight and switching directions or hiding. I don't know what more you could honestly expect.
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He has absolutely nothing for safe pallets. The difference between Tier 2 and Tier 3 is 2.5%. Games should be going fast enough that you can be really safe at pallets and not have to worry about pallet count. If pallet count is an issue in games, it's because teammates aren't hitting gens hard enough. There are way too many pallets on a lot of maps.
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You're asking for the raw skill counterplay to an m1 killer with no antiloop. The counterplay is basic looping. There is literally nothing complicated about that.
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His speed at both EW2 and 3 is 4.6 m/s, which is the exact same as the majority of the cast. His speed at EW1 is 4.2 m/s, which is just BARELY faster than a survivor. Theres a chance maybe the Myers you were facing was using perks like Play with your food to increase movement speed.
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Oni is strong but balanced and Demo is very C-tier. Myers is incredibly easy to loop. He has very little chase potential in loops.
You cannot tell me seriously that Myers walks as fast as sprint burst with a straight face. You're overreacting massively. His maximum speed is 130%, which is tier 3 Myers (115%) + 15% PWYF, but that is like any other killer without traversal powers. Just loop him at pallets as his power drains relatively quickly if you're a good looper. If you know how to loop, you can very easily last an entire tier 3 (Except for an infinite tier 3 of course). There's a reason why Myers is a bit rare in red ranks. He is just too weak against good red ranked survivor, but can really shine in the hands of an incredible player.
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Drop Pallets earlier and don't be greedy so he won't catch you with the increased lunge range and do not play around windows to much since he can vault them signficantly faster.
He still moves at normal 4.6 m/s unless he uses Play with your Food which makes him unstoppable, but PwyF makes every Killer unstoppable for a certain period of time.
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literally nothing in this game requires hours of skill. All survivors need to learn it to loop effectively. Extremely boring gameplay in my opinion. You can play against almost every killer the same exact way except nurse, spirit, and maybe clown/freddy. Everyone else, youll be doing the same boring thing over and over. Idk why i spent 4 years of my life playing this dumpster fire. They dont change up the meta, ever. too scared to tweak anything survivor related and lack the knowledge to get killer in a better spot.
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I understand why you might percieve it like that, yet the truth is in higher skill brackets he´s objectively one of the worst Killers. He´s one of my all-time mains so I might have some tips for you:
Don´t greed the pallets, meaning don´t go for another loop if you´re not 100% sure u can get away with it. Play smart around windows. Don´t go for saves then T3 Myers is around.
If you follow these simple steps he´s barely more threatening than any M1 Killer.
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Myers came out when they knew how to make add-ons.
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He's a 115% killer in EW3. Literally just loop him like any normal killer but just don't get too greedy. Instead of 3 loops on a pallet, maybe go for a safer 2. You really just need to learn how to loop efficiently and safely by the sounds of it.
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He moves at 115% in EW3, the same speed as most of the Killer cast. Just don’t get greedy at loops. Waste as much of his time as possible. If he really is going faster than normal or his EW3 is actually lasting longer than normal, then look at his perks and add-ons.
Based on your replies in this thread, it kinda seems like you’re just venting after a game against him. Maybe you just went up against a good Myers?
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Line up loops and dont get greedy. Stay out of los.
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I've been playing Michael Myers pretty much exclusively. I've decided that until I break below Rank-10, I'm not proficient and I'm not moving on. I'm kind of fixated that way. I have a fairly balanced perspective of what Myers can do and what he can't. On a big map, against well-coordinated SWF he is toast. They spread to the four winds, keep eyes on him, and take advantage of his slow build to get 3-4 Generators popped before he even hits Tier-3. At that point, it goes down hill fast. SWF are kryptonite to him as they are to so many other Killers.
That being said, I flood the map with Totems, as many as I can (Ruin, Third Seal, Thrill of the Hunt) or mix in Haunted Ground sometimes. This helps slow down the Gen Rush a bit. I always take Play With My Food. I usually take a Mori (or Tombstone Piece) so if I find I am fighting SWF I simply gut them down a team member as rapidly as possible to even things up. It is harsh, but against the 5th Perk (Comms) it is really the only effective option I have.
Against normal Survivors, who aren't using Comms, I generally don't use the Mori even if I'm carrying it. I prefer a classic game and get more points out of three hooks. In a small map Myers is downright deadly, particularly if he is running either the Cracked Mirror or the Vanity Mirror. It should be noted that if I play Spooky Myers (also called Jump Scare Myers) I definitely swap out the Third Seal for Haunted Ground. He is invisible to most aura reading already, so the Perk would be wasted. I love the Third Seal when I mean to be going to Tier-3 because so many people rely on aura reading and I deny them that.
So how do you beat Myers? Easy. Don't let him get a good Stalk on you. Don't let him mind game you. He starts slow and keep his damn obsession away from him. Banish her/him to the other side of the map to work on some far away Gen while someone else loops him while he is slow endlessly to let your buddies pop Gens.
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What do you want to hear? You argue when people tell you you need to learn how to loop. You argue when people tell you he’s not OP (he’s not). You just want to hear your opinion parroted back at you
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That sounds like Play With Your Food, not Myers. Myers cannot achieve that speed without perks.
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And to the OP, please let me know if it was me you faced. I'd be thrilled. :)
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m1 killer you loop him but you dont greed.
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Huuuh. Myers is like the weakest killer in the game. Like a ggez ghost face. I see him the least out of all other killers. I never ever see a Myers past rank 13 and there's a reason for that. Hes literally the one killer I'd love to see buffed lol.
Just loop him. Hes super loopable. Has no map pressure. Avoid him when he attempts to snowball during his power. Like Ghost Face, you can often just loop until his power is done. You can usually tell when hes got it ready. Hes only really good with stealth on indoor maps. Use closets when you think he has a tombstone.
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So OP asked about counter play for a Myers who is ALREADY in tier 3 and of course the non reading people of the forums are jumping in and talking about avoiding being stalked and how slow Myers is at the start when that isn't the point....
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Counter play to Myers in Tier-3? Same as fighting guys with Chainsaws. Loop, coordinate, and get the heck out of dodge. That is really the long and the short of it. Tier-3 Myers is simply a Killer that can down you with one hit. He is hardly the only one around that does that. Don't feed him with his obsession unless you want him up to 130% speed. Treat him JUST like a chainsaw wielding maniac.
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I agree with everything you said. I was just pointing how unhelpful everyone's advice was to the OP.
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