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I only use moris for dailys and challenges and I've been saving them for after the second hook anyway. No change for me!

This is a great and long over due change.

I don't mind that moris were changed first. I feel people can objectively see they were way stronger. I am a little bitter over how they were changed though, as they've been straight-up dumpster tiered. Why would I bring a very rare item that cuts down on BP gains to...what? Save 2 seconds? It's also not going to solve the issue of being tunnelled off of first hook, as the people who did that will now just camp the hook to second stage. It's not like people who used old moris gave a ######### about pipping anyway.

There were so many better ways this could be implemented, and I really feel that should be where the frustrations lie instead of comparing them to keys which really devalues the issue.

BNP gets used up and you need to get more in the bloodweb. Pop is a perk you can always have on. Even if BNP was/is stronger you're going to see it less than pop because you don't have to farm pop uses and hope RNG gives it to you.

If BNP was a perk or something then maybe we could use usage amounts to compare, but as is now that's not a great point to bring up. I still see a decent amount of BNP's, my guess is its just that they're not infinite that I don't see them even more.

Wouldn't really call 5 gens minimal effort. Either way if you don't have even 1 killed by the time all 5 gens you very likely still lose the game key or not.

mori's do literally nothing now. how could they be stronger than an item that actually allows someone to escape from a trial despite having lost the objective battle? or was that sarcasm?

Unfortunately the entire internet cannot understand anything that isn't straightforward and direct. If you use colorful language like "the evening sky was lit ablaze," some egghead will call you out and say, "no, I was out in the evening and I saw no fire in the sky, you're a liar!"

It's really sad, honestly. Months ago people were complaining that the descriptions for items, add ons, and perks were too vague. "Extremely, slightly" is too imprecise, they wanted exact numbers. While I can sort of see where they're coming from, it creates boring conversation to speak in terms that literally bore me to sleep. I'm literally falling asleep at my desk over these precision-nazis.

None of those things move the goalposts for an individual match the way that moris did. Much of it has counterplay, Some stuff, particularly keys, need to be remade as well. Those things should not hold up other fixes that dramatically improve game health, like today's mori patch.

I understand that argument, but what about removing the chances of getting a key from a chest? They should have been as easy to remove as the changes for mori.

Mods, I know you have no control over how the devs work, and good lord I do not envy you right now trying to control the absolute hell this nerf has unleashed.

With that out of the way, the REAL issue with the mori nerf, the way I see it.

Moris needed a nerf, plain and simple. So do keys, both provide too much of an advantage in their own right, and feel like a 'cheap win' from the other side's perspective. The issue is twofold.

1- Since many players pair the two together (both are very power addons that allow games to be ended early or more quickly), nerfing moris without any kind of announcement while saying 'oh keys will come later... sometime... maybe' basically lets survivors blow through all their keys, driving killer frustrations even higher since survivors get extra time to play with their keys while for killers its just 'SURPRISE THEY USELESS NOW!'

2- This is the last straw in a LONG LONG LONG line of what killers have perceived as slights against them in recent months. POP gets nerfed for giving killers 'too much time', yet DS remains as is when the same argument can be made against it and people have been complaining about how abusable it is since its introduction into the game. This on top of patches that were almost entirely killer nerfs with survivor buffs, most likely based on stats of kill ratios that were HIGHLY inflated by hook suicides because once the DC penalty went kaput, guess our immersive mash space to not die turns into a convenient 'press space to keep from unofficially DCing the match). Then comes the new chapter, which gave us 3 killer perks that did literally nothing because they were broken, a new killer that held himself hostage more often than not by consistently getting stuck in terrain, but most importantly fundamentally breaking multiple killers completely unrelated to the new content (Legion mains STILL are waiting for his frenzy speed to work properly).

Now, imagine killers reaction when a new patch hits. Oh, did they fix the things making so many killers unplayable? Fix the numerous other bugs? No, Mori nerf. And to add salt to the wound when something on the survivor end is nerfed and it only affects survivors it gets hotfixed pretty quick (see DS taking 2 days to hotfix).

This basically sends a message that survivors are the only ones that matter, the devs just cater to survivor's whines and complaints about killer being OP and how they shouldn't be the power role, even though survivor has the number advantage to make up for it, and that the devs have severe survivor bias. Whether or not this is true I can't say, I'm not the dev team, but the important thing is this is how the it is being PERCEIVED.

Unless some serious care is given to implement some QoL patches and more consideration given to the health of the entire playerbase and not just survivors, you'll have a game full of survivors and no killers, and these days of 30 minute survivor queues will sound like absolute paradise in comparison.

Keys and Moris both needed changing and while they aren't the same thing, they are both extremely powerful and are used to cut part of the game short. More importantly, they needed changing at the same time rather than doing one first and then the other maybe whenever.

Unless I missed something, that's only true if a survivor went to struggle stage on the first hook.

Well you can still bypass it after their second hook, it is bery similar to PH final judgement, yes they can still use it after their first hook, but if they don’t get to after their first hook they never will due to mori