Even Otz finds Undying + Ruin meta boring af

It would be almost impossible to play Twins without undying ruin combo. You would have to buff Victor to take advantage of aura perks in the least.

Just because a few streamers say something doesn't make it true. Most survivors in this game are trash, it is to be expected that streamers who play this game for a living have gotten so good at it that their opponents just no longer provide them with a decent challenge.

Repeatedly match them up with 4 survivors who are equal to their skill and know how to coordinate and I am willing to bet the streamers wouldn't think that killer is "too easy"- Unless of course, they're playing Freddy or Spirit.

Yes. Very very much. Since mori's were nerfed to make it essentially useless.

Getting rid of ruin undying combo is just the cherry on top.

How bout we fix keys first?

Ah, yes. Oops.

That's actually a great idea I'd love to see that, buff an almost completely unused hex (maybe not as unused as the third seal) while also nerfing undying but keeping it's core functionality I'd love to see it in the game.

At least in that case you would have to run 3 hex perks to get the same aura reading as before or just have hex totem support with undying. I feel undying can be annoying to go against especially for a high mobility killer with tinkerer who will zoom right to you when you are 2 seconds to cleansing it and have to leave it.

I mostly main survivor, but just recently got this combo on killer and...I still don't like it. I don't like giving up 2 perk slots to something so OP it feels almost stupid not to run, when I could be picking perks more tailored to my play style/more fun. I'll probably ditch it soon on most of my killers for this exact reason soon. But man, had some matches that were bloodbaths that I feel I fully did not earn thanks to the combo.

I don't like the argument that it's counterable by survivor perks for the same reason. I don't like feeling like I'm being forced to run a perk. Not to mention this cure heavily favors SWFs. If one dude has the locating ability, he can either hunt while other folks do gens or he can let the team know where stuff is. Solo's you either have the whole squad out looking (then the one guy who spots it gets spotted by the killer and he can't tell his bros where it is, etc, etc) or no one's doing it/running the perks at all.

Another thing I dislike about ruin/undying both as killer and survivor is the amount of randomness. This goes for all totems, but undying just compounds it. Skill just seems to play such a minimal part in your outcome if a 3-4 man swf is not involved. Sometimes the totems are both located under flashing neon signs that say "cleans me plz," sometimes with undying, people have to cleans all 5, and sometimes one or more of your totems spawn somewhere deep inside satan's butthole...

"high risk high reward" just feels unfun for both sides.

People will call every meta "boring" if it lasts long enough. This is not the first or the last time we will see a content creator get frustrated at a powerful combo. It's a competitive game, that is the way it is.

I think you dont understand pressure. I highly recomend playing killer if you think every unhook should be free. Play 20-30 matches and see what happens when you let unhooks go unopposed.

Answer you lose any presusre and slowdown you have. You enable gens close by to be worked on and pushed at a faster rate since there is two surviors together. Also and this is a concept many experianced killers miss as well your taking chases in new zones that have more defenses.

Part of why strats like slugging and pressuring hooks is the norm is that you place the downed survivor in a weaker zone where the survivor can't just pre drop pallets they need to engage with vaults and more difficult looping tiles.

Any time you alleviate pressure from a survivor your inviting a loss. If you let an unhooked survivor go they will often push gens close by. Many wont even bother with healing any time you let a survivor freely push gens you are making a mistake.

People issue with ds to this day is a survivor with ds isnt healing post unhook. He hoping on a gen and pushing the last 20% out on a nearby generator. If you stop then you get a slug if your smart and even then if they unbreakable it resets your progress.

You can't push gens and still have ds post unhook that is way to exploitative.

I honestly dont give a ######### what internetcelebrity#24 thinks about a perk. They have thousands of hours and don't represent the bulk of the playerbase. Regular pepople don't play this game for a living, we just play it to have fun and ruin/undying gives us a chance against bullshit survivor combos that never get nerfed.

this, then if the killer wants to be able to track who's on their totems they'd have to run Thrill, i.e, 3 perks that can be removed and aren't hard to find if you know where to look

You said yourself that teammates are trash. Just let survivors learn to clense totems it's the same with Noed. When survivors reach that level were they are good enough to do bones then this combo will be just good, not great.

As others said survivors have perk combos that are stronger, and I say that playing 90% survivor in this game.

Same here 70% of my games are like that.

Like I said, you will always have people who keep gen slow down perks no matter how slow gens will go.

Even if a gen would take 10 minutes to complete, some will use gen slow down.

A gen takes 80 seconds solo, 40ish with 2, i believe 35 with 3.

So yeah they can go really fast, so making it only go 10s faster with every other survivor working on it, doesn't make a very big difference and imo fun for both sides.

I really think a lot of killers will start using much more different perks instead of the mets ones

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I'm not gonna have this conversation with you again as you have already made up your mind and will not accept anything else, no matter how true it is.

So let's just agree to disagree, because someone who will truly play both sides will agree that gens are just fast.

Survivor mains want to get rid of ruin and undying, but don't want to give anything in return for it 🤣

Gens still can go as fast as a little over 3 minutes, but no gen speed is just fine 😂

Btw that is without any gen defence.

Who's otz?

Intresting. Since you seem to say that you get one skill level to play against very regular, so the performance have to coincide with your perks, can you explain why i got poatoes and death squads while running the same killer at the same rank with the same setup?

The only thing I'll add to this is that I love Otzdarva. Absolutely love him and respect his opinions on the game. I think he's one of the best, if not THE best player I've seen play DBD, and he understands the game as good, if not better, than the anyone else, and that includes the people who work on the game for a living.

But what he finds boring doesn't necessarily correlate to the huge player base because he's SO good, and therefore not typical of the vast number of people playing the game. Same thing with other top players like OhToFu, Scott Jund, Tru, Ussylis, Aryun, etc. (both killer and survivor players -- that's just a handful). What their game experience is and what the rest of the player base experiences do not necessarily intersect.

It's like saying Michael Jordan felt something about playing basketball and trying to apply that to everyone else who ever played the game. Hordan was on a whole other level than anyone else. How the game played out for him wasn't even the same as other NBA players, never mind the average person picking up a basketball, so while whatever he thought would be an opinion that was valuable and worth listening to (as Otz's is in this case), it doesn't necessarily speak for the experience of the majority of people who play the game, and that has to be taken into account.

ETA: As a perfect example of that, OhToFu (who I love to watch as well) is currently doing a series on his YT channel where he's running killers with NO perks and the add-ons that HURT the player -- and he's still doing well in his matches, lol. He just played as Nurse and had a match that might as well have been 4K's (two people used a key to escape -- they would have been dead without it. He also had similarly good results all things considered with Billy, Trapper, and Wraith). He's so good that of course he doesn't need an Undying/Ruin combo to do well -- he doesn't even need perks to do well. But he's in that top 1% or better of players -- he's not a typical DBD player, clearly.