Stop saying "'nerf' Spirit"

Because even at red ranks most survivors are sort of bad at the game. If the game didn’t compensate, survivors would have no chance and the community would be even more inflammatory then it already is lol. The game needs to take into account that just one bad survivor can screw over their team, so it needs to alleviate this somewhat via various mechanics, thus when there’s actually a team where everyone is skilled, these compensations turn into advantages.

Last time I looked most killers were in the low to mid 50% but maybe that’s changed, it was a while ago, but it was only even that high because matchmaking is borked + most survivors even at red rank make many mistakes IMHO.

never played them so idk nerf spirit?

Aha way to totally misrepresent what I asked as a cheap way out of the discussion.

I responded directly to a mod who said along the lines of “targeting another player multiple times is a bannable offence” and I asked for clarification on a very specific scenario whereby I’m defending a hook from multiple survivors who are trying to unhook directly in my face without borrowed time. Had absolutely nothing to do with camping.

Also just because I’m a new player doesn’t mean I don’t understand the game mechanics or haven’t been watching the very best players in the world for over 2 years.

It’s a discussion and there’s no reason to take a disagreement personally lol. But by all means be salty.

I’ll be the bigger man and say we agree to disagree. You think killers have the advantage. I think survivors have the advantage. You’ve given no real argument to support your position other than “at low ranks killers win more” and I’ve already answered that with a rebuttal which you’ve ignored.

Moving on.

Actually watching the best players in the world for 2 years, observing their gameplay and taking in their insights, irrefutably lends a great understanding to not only the mechanics of the game, but the balance, development process, and general ecosystem, regardless of how long you’ve been playing. It’s a computer game. It’s really not that complex.

You dont need to play a killer to know that they are unbalanced. She is the only killer in the game that gives no feedback when she is using her power.

Technically neither does trapper/hag unless your looking directly at them and hag can also do the idle fake out at pallets.

Michael and GF stalk powers don't give any feedback unless they reach specific thresholds and Michael has a fake afk into tombstone meme for another idle fakeout.

So no the spirit isn't the only killer with little to no feedback, Heck as stated above she isn't the only one with the idle fakeout.

Ghost Face, If he is stalking it does give feedback looking at him gives you and audio cue that you are revealing him,if he leaning on a corner you know he is stalking you if he is crouching he is probably going to try to stalk you.

Myers, When Myers gets into a new tier there is an audio cue, when he is stalking he moves slower and if he is standing still at a loop he is going to be stalking you there is only one reason he wouldnt and that is if he has run out of power gain from you

Hag and Trapper, Both cant use their power at loops because it would just waste their time they have to wait until they are not near any survivors to use their power. When placing traps there is audio to give them away if you are close enough to them. Their traps are visible and have to rely on leading survivors to where their traps are.

That first paragraph is nonsense. When people say they want her nerfed, or more counterplay, what they are literally saying is that they want more chances to win by reducing the power of the spirit relative to where it is now.

"Killers like Spirit and Nurse" Well I hope you're mentioning hard Killers to master which in returns gives you a good reward? Because yes, you're right, we need and we already have some, but Spirit is not one of them.

Don't need to say anything more, everyone knows she is really easy to play but the "easy" depends of how much knowledge you have in the game. She is easy to play because you can just phase and get a hit, it's simple. There's no looping involved like other Killers, this is what makes her strong but also very easy to play with.

I was a main Spirit and after I stopped playing with her and went to "normal" Killers because I was bored playing with her, the next 2 days I had struggles on my matches (as expected), because I wasn't used to "normal" chases anymore.

After playing Spirit for 1 week maybe you can get very good with her, while other Killer requires more effort, 2-3 weeks or even a whole month dedicated or even more. (Considering you play everyday and a good amount of hours)

For me, Spirit is near the Deathslinger level, they have built-in a forcefield passive of mindgame all the time.

As for your post, they really should do some changes, on my opinion she has too much going on for her. You said that people want Spirit nerfed in some way without giving her something to compensate, but how can a Killer receive something to compensate when she even doesn't have a penalty besides being a 4.4 and a power cooldown(which evey Killer has to be honest)?

Man you’re hilarious, but tedious. I’m done wasting my time with you now. You say I’m “full of #########” yet you’re literally just talking ######### the entire time, making up nonsense, moaning, with no constructive input whatsoever.

That was not the argument I made as you’re well aware, but you need to try to misrepresent what I say as some kind of weak ass attempt to discredit my opinion because you can’t handle the fact that some random guy on the internet disagrees with you lol. It’s actually sort of pathetic. You could just accept the fact that we disagree like I did and move on, but you insist on being a salty little dog about it, constantly quoting me with your asinine drivel lol.

Like how you’ve misrepresent the question I asked the mod twice in a row now, as some kind of desperate red herring. I’ve already corrected you on that, but seeing as your reading comprehension is somewhat lacking, I’ll oblige.

It had nothing to do with tunnelling and the fact you think the scenario I gave to the dev constitutes as tunnelling proves without a shadow of a doubt that you really don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. You’re one of those survivors who expects the killer to just let you win despite your terrible misplays.

I asked the mod if Killing someone when their entire team come to unhook in your face before you even have a chance to leave the tile, with no borrowed time, no DS, twice in a row before the guy who got screwed by their team dies, is bannable, because the dev said killing the same person multiple times is bannable. I gave them a specific scenario where the logical tactic is to take advantage of the enemy teams huge misplay, to secure yourself a win, and asked for clarification as to whether or not it constitutes as a bannable offence as the mods initial comment was vague.

By all means get in my notifications again and I’ll let you have the last word. You’re obviously desperate for it mate. Grow thicker skin and learn to accept the fact that not everybody shares the same opinion, and your opinion is not gospel.

Not a fan of guessing games.

I would've rather had her buried than Billy, he was strong but perfectly fine. You could read him, react to him, outplay him and win games

Spirit is the DEFINITION of uninteractivity, her best "mind game" is literally standing still, a "Did you bring spine chill or are you getting hit for free from invisibility". Force that kind of 50:50 often enough while not doing the same version every time to be predictable and you are literally getting free downs at the cost of zero interaction.

Granted, not enough to win matches against 4 minute gen rush squads, but enough to be utterly annoying to die against and hilariously powerful when proxycamping. Not to even say anything about that ludicrous lunge range she gets out of her complete invisibility for free.

There's a reason Wraith can't just swing from his cloaked state, and even THAT would be more interactive than Spirit is. She needs an outright rework, not a nerf.

I don't mind losing to killers who play extremely well and earn their hits by outplaying me, especially nurses who have to master a movement system on quite literally another level (although they are currently getting a bit boosted by the busted hitboxes)

The combination of Spirit's bonus lunge range from complete invisibility and the hitboxes tho? Makes me wanna commit uninstall xD

So a inmobile spirit that abrubtly stops moving is no feedback? Just because you cant tell if its the husk or not?

Damn, i wonder how these kinda survivors would react if one were to point out Jigsawboxes having no visual indicators neither.

Survivor gameplay and the skill required or not isn't relevant to a discussion about spirit, and always bringing up something from the other side when talking about an issue on one side makes actually discussing anything.

I wouldn't say she takes no skill whatsoever, I would say that after a few games with her 4ks will be the norm. Even more so once you put good perks and green add-ons or higher on her (which the vast majority of spirits do)

I went for some spirit games recently bc I hadn't played her in months and she is admittedly very fun. I'd also had a few drinks. I also hadn't leveled her up steam so I was going in with tier 1 sloppy butcher and tier 1 rancor at first And 4k, 4k, 3k, 4k etc against survivors that would've required a -lot- more effort if I was playing one of mains. (I'm a fairly mediocre killer in general too, although I have my moments ig)

Like I said she's fun to play and I don't even mind playing against her that much (Freddy, slinger and twins are all weaker but more obnoxious imo) but none of that makes her not ridiculous.

Some do, for sure, but I'm agreeing with your point that her strength isn't the biggest issue.

With that said, I do think she could stand a nerf strictly because she's a top tier killer. In an ideal world, Behaviour would continue to nerf killers that are abnormally strong and buff killers that are abnormally weak until they're all closer to mid tier. Then they can buff or nerf the killer side as a whole based on current performance. Game balance is much easier to achieve when the gap between the strongest and weakest killers is at its smallest, so until that gap shrinks quite a lot I'd support balance changes aimed at closing that gap.

It's a very similar argument to why I feel Behavior needs to buff solo queue. Much like the gap in strength between the strongest and weakest killers, the information gap between SWF and solo makes it tricky to balance the game. SWF is going nowhere, nor should it if we care about the game's success, and penalizing even the most casual players for playing with their friends is a non-starter. So, that leaves us with giving more information to solo queue to reduce the information gap with SWF. That's why I really like the hook state counter on the new HUD; solos can't just ask their buddy if they're on death hook and it's pretty tricky as a solo player to keep track of hook states for all teammates. The new HUD therefore helps solos out a lot without giving much of a boost to SWF. Those sorts of changes are ones I hope we see more of going forward. I'm thinking about things like a totem counter on the HUD, more perk buff and debuff icons on the HUD (e.g. a Deliverance buff icon for all survivors if they have a teammate on the hook with Deliverance active), more buffs to information perks and/or nerfs to non-information perks, more in-game gestures beyond just beckon and point to facilitate communication, etc.

You said she needs a compensation buff for a nerf which for a killer of her power is totally unnecessary. She simple needs to be toned down as she is too strong and that’s all I wanted for her.

Why would I need to anyway? I know how she works and how she is played as well as all the things survivors can attempt against her. That’s enough to come to a conclusion

True.

Like you said nerf means "to decrease the power of something." Many other entitled survivor mains do not understand how she works and therefore, they want her nerfed? That seems very impulsive and childish if you ask me. Why would you want something nerfed if you don't understand how it works?

Also, I love how you proved your points and how you elaborated on them.