Gen Speeds

Just like Insidious would encourage killers to camp?

Sure, there will be a few that won't play nice no matter what. But the majority of the killers will play nicer, simply because they won't feel forced to tunnel out someone asap.

To stay with the Insidious analogy... Which undoubtly is the easiest (and most boring) way to get kills.

Do you see a lot of Insidious killers?

Do you see many basement Wraiths?

But you just said, that Insidious doesn´t make the killer invisible...

So, do you see many Insidious basement Bubbas?

So, despite Insidious Basement Bubba being the easiest and most effective way to get kills. We barely see Insidious Basement Bubbas.

Now, when we apply this to a secondary objective, the exact same thing would happen: We won´t see a sudden rise of more campers/tunnelers because its easier. The numbers will stay where they are or (what is more likely) lower, since killers won´t feel the NEED to tunnel/camp.

Gen speeds don't need to be changed. What needs to be changed is certain map spreads (Red Forrest, where the majority of Killers cannot get to the other side of the map before a gen pops) and Survivor spawns. Survivors shouldn't spawn on 3 different gens.

Increasing gen speed wouldn't solve these issues, and would merely make the game even more miserable for Survivor, where you'll be lucky to get teammates who know how to press any button that isn't Self Care. (This is an issue present in Duo and Trio SWFs as well, not just solo survivors, but they definitely have it the worse.) To add to it, you need to remember too that the entire nature of this game means that Killer is at its weakest in the beginning. They have no pressure, but once they start getting it, Killer does have a lot of potentials to just plow through Survivors if they're too uncordinated. (Which is common.)

And I disagree. I don't think that buffing camping will make people camp less.

Giving survivors another objective isn´t buffing camping.

So following your logic, the killer would get 2 kills.

Isn´t that the balance the devs strive for?

It's 2 kills -or better-.

And we weren't talking about balance one post ago, we were talking about what killer players would do. So if camping guarantees that you cannot lose, why not keep doing it?

So camping and tunnelling are objectively better tactics according to you and you want to not rebalance them with normal play, but instead just make survivors weaker against them?

If camping and tunnelling are the best tactics now, they'll be the best tactics if gens take longer.

As others have said the answer lies in a few different things! The first being to use slowdown perks. The second being to not stay in a chase for so long unless you're certain you're going to get a hit/down in. Gen speeds are slower than they used to be. Tool boxes have been nerfed into oblivion - a purple tier toolbox with top grade add-ons doesn't even last for a single gen. Prove Thyself has been nerfed. Great skill checks have been nerfed into insignificance.

That's not to say that these changes didn't need to happen (god, old toolboxes were so broken). But the point is that the devs have already nerfed gen progress as far as they feasibly can and have given Killers a variety of perks that they can run. Grind for the perks that fit your playstyle and apply them to your favorite Killer(s) and you'll do just fine. 😊

I was fairly certain that gen speeds used to be more Survivor-sided back when I started. I could be mistaken, it happens, but I think it used to be slightly shorter. I know for a fact that great skill checks used to bump 5% and now are at 2% or less.

Toolbox strategy has changed, yes, but objectively they have been nerfed. A gray toolbox used to last an entire generator. Yellow and green could last for more than one. Throw in add-ons and put three people with toolboxes on a generator and it was done in the blink of an eye. If three people found each other and found multiple gens before you caught up to them it was game over.

When was Prove Thyself buffed? I'm not discrediting you or saying that you're wrong - only that I was not aware! Last I knew they had nerfed it but I've not checked on Prove Thyself in a bit. I'd love a link/quote/explanation so I don't make the same mistake again! 😊

I completely agree about perks, I'd love to see this game in a place where Survivors didn't have to bring x perks and Killers didn't have to bring x perks. As it stands there is a hard and fast meta build or two which are kind of required to have the easiest/most efficient games. Sadly, that's just how it is for both sides right now. If gen speeds are where the trouble is lying for you then run the speed perks and keep developing your strategies until you can substitute one or two for something else.

Hang in there and good luck!

Your posts perfectly illustrates the problem here. You can slug and tunnel to still win. Imagine how those strategies will be if survivors got more objective time. Adding any form of second objective will need so many other changes, including a nerf to tunneling, camping, and certain killers.

Also, it's all very map dependent. If you don't get a bad map, and are playing one of the strong killers, you still have a chance to win without slugging and tunneling like a mad man. Unless maybe you are going against some Death squad. But those are incredibly rare.

I'm still guessing we will get slowed down matches once the Mori reworks happen, as it sounded like they will add some more objective play to the game, but I might be completely wrong on that.

You're doing something wrong.

But gen rushing every single match beats the concept of "only a camp counter". Don´t you think?

Fun fact about those kill rates: Since the matches usually are rainbow matches, a red rank killer will stomp green or yellow ranked survivors. Which drives the kill rates up. Meanwhile red rank survivors have a higher escape rate. A much higher escape rate.

You don´t get rainbow matches? Always survivors and killers of your exact rank?

Because most of the time they don't know when to leave a chase and then yell gen rush. Most of the time when that happens to me it's because I got a pretty good SWF team (they aren't that common). That can make the game a bit unbalanced. In my games 3 gens popping in first chase is rare. The game still isn't over, though. I don't know why killers panic when this happens, lol. Protect the other gens as best as you can.

I never play SWF. Only solo. So according to you, the matchmaking must either match me with those really rare SWF teams, or i am incredibly lucky in regard of getting bad killers. My last 4 matches. If you want, i can also provide screenshots of how many hooks those killers got.

But the data only showed the killers rank. Not the survivors he faced ranks.

Thats the point. When killers play "nice" they will lose.

This is win in my book. I dont have to hard core 4k, make other peoples' day miserable every game to win the game.

I mean, if I decide to hardcore tunneling with 3 Gen slowdown and Noed to ensure 4k every game. Because I want to win that much. The game match me with hardcore survivor teams, who brings 4 second chances perk to ensure escape every game, who also want to win that much.

Sound fair right?

Most of the time, yes. If the killer is pretty good, then I'll usually die.

Edit- This game is filled with potatoes on both sides.