Otzdarva is proving you that the game is not Survivor sided

They can do fine at high MMR when they get potato survivors. Because all you have to do is escape as survivor, you get potatoes even at high MMR. But when you don't get them, you get absolutely obliterated because the gen speed will trump everything you do. Otz's streaks before and after MMR might as well be thrown out, because there's no way he went against high level teams that many times in a row and still won. To put it simply, if you had an easy game as killer, it wasn't high level.

He is playing at nightime eu if I am not mistaken.

Would he get the same results during the day when you encounter more sweaty teams?

Otz has lost 5 or 10 straight what are you talking about sluzzy?

Also is everyone just gonna forget about that survivor player that had like a 150+ escape streak or that just didn't happen cause you want to imagine it didn't?

Otz's matches, especially on his streaks, don't reflect high level gameplay. He can beat high level survivors sometimes, but that's usually not on him. It's on the survivors. Survivors are literally running into him when they hear his terror radius. Instead, they could be holding forward, using meta perks, being a SWF, being efficient on gens, using boons well, lasting at least 30 seconds in chase, etc. But because they don't do any of that they get owned, and Otz looks godlike when he's not really playing crazy that match.

Well… Otz is basically a professional dbd player 🤣

I don’t know.. I mean when I play killer sometimes I get 4K and other times I struggle to get one hook. When I play as survivor I rarely escape but manage to get a pip so I’m happy with that

but I don’t think it has a side anymore.

DBD is just weird now with who we get matched with.

it just depends on the player and their skill. maps, perks etc.

some people have bad games say it’s survivor sided then the same with killer.

That's all well and good, but when taking the averages, the game still doesn't show itself as survivor-sided. Kill rates are all still above 50%. Definitely lower than what they used to be, like the 68% kill rate in red ranks before SBMM, but there's nothing to show the game is survivor sided.

Also well and good, but then how do you support the claim the game is survivor-sided? Data can't be used, and you can't refer to high skill players, so then what?

So pretty much you're going off personal experience instead of data you don't like?

Because I've yet to see a solid argument for why the game is supposedly survivor sided.

I've seen plenty of good arguments for why it's at best neutral, and at worst killer sided.

But every argument for why the game is survivor sided pretty much boils down to "I can't handle the gen speeds or catch survivors quick enough to apply pressure" and that's a skill issue more than a game issue

Yea no, that's a fallacy right there. You can't set up an argument by saying "well if this happens, it's only because of this".

I don't remember if that's called a strawman or whatever it is, but that's not how arguments worse. You literally have nothing to backup that claim.

Strong teams are capable of getting destroyed as well

Because when Otz shows he can consistently win without perks, and spending the first 30 seconds AFK, -that- gets disregarded under the argument of 'He breathes DBD, he's too high skill to be used as an example'.

Otzdarva proved that a pro skilled player with good perks and addons can win with a high probability using the current matchmaking system.

If you are not a top player or don't use top perks and add-ons the situation is completely different.

Wish I could upvote this more than once.

Seriously people have to stop using entertainers as a way to avoid thinking for themselves.

Oh, so we're back on the 'survivors just bad lol' train.

Killers are never bad, they're just UP tho.

Because Otz, unlike a number of people on this forum (including some of those you're arguing with), actually invested time in getting better at killer and generally have a solid understanding of macro level gameplay. Sure, killers have issues with map sizes and the boon meta isn't helping, but the problems are widely overblown on here. When you analyse some of the gameplay footage it's always the same story - massive over commitment, no attempt to secure a 3/4 gen on the map, not knowing when to break chase, never attempting to bait out DH. No real understanding of when to slug, tunnel, camp etc.

Otz and any other capable killer could go on a 1000+ win streak and there would always be people making every excuse under the sun as to why it doesn't count. If the majority of survivors are bad and someone is such a god tier killer, then you'd think they'd actually be capable of getting to "high mmr" in the first instance. They also like to conveniently overlook the fact that Otz's loses often come from him running unconventional builds, not taking the strongest addons and by his own admission not playing anywhere near as scummy as he could.

If people want to balance for the absolute top survivors (fine), then they don't get to whine when the game also has to be balanced for the top killers. That's not to say the game isn't survivor sided at the absolute top levels (outside of nurse and blight), but the problem is greatly exaggerated by players who will never play at that level in the first place.

1. How much is consistently? From the videos I've seen he posts about 2 wins to each loss, which, if every one of his matches are shown (which we know they aren't) he's at about a 66% win rate. That's certainly good, but hardly amazing, and these are (ostensibly) against randoms teams picked by the mmr to face what should be one of the highest ranked killers (if again, we assume all the gameplay we've seen is both legit and complete)

2. Because the mmr system is hot garbage.

Ah, I see. That is unfortunate.

So much for a regular discussion, I suppose.

Actually, I believe BHVR have gone on record to say that camping, slugging and tunnelling are valid strategies. The only thing they've stated is that they want to remove -face-camping, not regular camping.

But in disregard of the devs' stance, it is the current state of the game that camping is a very powerful tactic. As are tunnelling and slugging. You can complain about having to use those tactics to win, and I'd be sympathetic. But you're also in the minority on these forums as evidenced by how many times complaints about camping, tunnelling and slugging get brought up by survivors and subsequently discredited.

I'd be all for a big balancing overhaul where those three tactics are kneecapped and survivors are toned down to compensate. But that requires a strong enough consensus from the community to convince the devs to do that for the sake of game health. And as it stands, people just want to nerf the opposite side without losing what they have themselves.

Out of a string of 75 matches, he lost one. That's pretty good consistency in my book. Even by the metric you post, a 66% win rate is pretty damn high and it shows that a competent killer can easily win much more than lose.

Matchmaking being wonk is a fair counterargument, but that also throws a spanner into the idea of the game being survivor-sided, since we clearly don't have a way to actually assess what the average game is -supposed- to look like due to matchmaking errors.