dead hard is speedrunning its way back to the meta and it's scaring me shitless

I get thats very stressful. First time faced a sweaty tbag swf, I stopped playing for a week. I still get those kind of survivors sometimes, just leave a gg and move on.

But I learned that dont take it personal, some people plays the game only to be toxic and ruin other's experience. They only want to see your rage, dont let them success.

I've got no issues with current Dead Hard. It's stronger against strong killers and weaker against weak killers. If I get hit with it more than once, it's usually my fault.

How is it as obnoxious? Almost everyone complained about it giving survivors free distance so they could reach a pallet or window they wouldn't have otherwise. It was stupid because it didn't have any counterplay for killers.

Now it doesn't do that anymore, and survivors instead have to time DH perfectly to be able to tank another hit. The payoff is bigger now, but it's harder to procc, and most importantly, killers now have fair counterplay against that perk. It's completely fine, I can't believe some are still complaining about the perk. It doesn't need to be nerfed into uselessnes.

Aside from cheaters, I think it's perfectly fine. It's definitely a strong perk, but now it does requires skill. If someone can pull this on me legitimately, I can't even be mad. However most players I have seen using it, they just actively ram into you to force its use, which 95% of time isn't as good as simply trying to escape in the usual manner.

Just comes down to preference in the end really or which perks you have available.

If anything it takes luck because 0.5 seconds of Endurance means even the smallest bit of latency will either make you get hit JUST before the game registers you Dead Harding or JUST after the Endurance ran out during the animation.

That's why many people complain about getting downed and being exhausted. It's unreliable as hell so people think it now takes "skill" when it's basically become a luck dependant perk that's still annoying to go against.

Ohh yes speedy chainsaw boi

Current version is stronger than the previous version. So of course its still meta.

I will never understand this argument. The dark souls series is pretty notorious for extremely bad latency issues, and yet look at these parry windows in DS2:

Not only are most of them pretty damn small for their active windows, they don't even have uniform startup windows to boot. Yet people can use them online just fine in a game where you can be looking eye to eye then suddenly be teleported into a backstab. The absolute "best" weapon for parrying only has an active window of 18 frames, or 0.3 seconds. Bare fists and fist weapons are also some of the more popular ones, and they're only 4 and 5 frames respectively. after a startup of over 15 frames to begin with.

It's quite literally a skill issue. Because again, reads are a skilled play: You are committing to your opponent doing something before having any confirmation they are, in fact, doing the thing. You're straight up reading their mind and calling it out like goddamn Joseph Joestar. I feel like people who play fighting games take to this stuff a lot easier than others because its an overlapping concept with the genre (and obviously with things like fencing, as the DS series shows.) It's ok to not really be too familiar or skilled with these types of things, it just means you don't get as much value from the perk as people who are.

I don't mind DH. Why? is a free stack of STBFL.

Unless the obversion haves it then ouch, lol.

Careful, old Spirit was all about guessing and making reads. 50/50 coins flips were considered unfair. In that same patch, they also weakened deathslinger who had 0.15 scope and you had to predict shots which apparently had no counter-play. Spirit was apparently bs and deathslinger was "If he aims well, he hits you, so it has no counter-play" almost as if the killer is suppose to aim and then miss every time he aims well. Incredible survivor logic.

I activate dead hard around 2/3 of my chases against all killers, so I would not say it is luck based more so then being knowledge based. OP post is complaining about dead hard users that are good at using dead hard, though he does not explain it or rather he briefly mentions what bothers him. I'm going to take a guess that a lot of the comments are missing why he is frustrated by dead hard users. The comment section of the post suggests that you need to time dead hard and while that is true... it is only half true.

to focus on last part of his sentence, The way to use new dead hard against m1 killers is that many pallets in DBD are unsafe, for example RPD room pallet in the center of the room is unsafe pallet. Once you put this pallet down, If the killer respects the pallet and does not get stunned, The killer can go on the side of this pallet and the survivor is prompted to what players will refer to as panic-sliding. since the survivor is animation locked when sliding a pallet, you can generally get a hit by lunging at the correct time on one side of the pallet.

Since this situation forces the killer to lunge, this allows survivors to time their dead hard and get a near guaranteed sprint burst, therefore grants a second chance. In order for killer to avoid giving the survivor a sprint burst, you have to break the unsafe pallet but breaking pallets is slow for virtually all killers apart from 2 of them. The result is that your either force to give the survivor an extra-health state or to break the pallet giving the survivor an opportunity to go the next pallet.

this is how you use new dead hard vs m1 killers and OP frustrated by the second chance that dead hard provides. In term of killer powers, new dead hard is less versatile at dodging killer powers as a lot of killer-power have controlling properties such as Deathslinger, Trapper, Doctor and Pinhead.preventing endurance effect from being effective.

Dead hard is not really about dodging hits out in the open, Its about creating situations where the killer is forced to lunge so that you can press the button for an extra health-state. Dead hard never fell out of the meta, It was just changed to be less universally effective in all situations. Old dead hard was closer to 99% sprint burst that was activatable on demand. New dead hard is situational extra health-state requires precision timing and game-sense to utilize correctly.

I agree with your analysis. I would say a big part of skill in dbd especially on the survivor side is avoiding/preventing lose/lose from occurring in advance. I share same sentiments as you in regards to playing as and playing against both of these two killers.

That was already an issue before the nerf. Its not the cheaters, and DH currently is not a problem.

Ahh DS2 pvp where you could make dumb builds before ds3 became r1 straight sword

Like others have said the most annoying thing is the very widespread auto DH or it basicly making projectile killers ussless

And thats absolutely an issue, just like it was before the change to the perk. The status quo regarding how they handle the cheating issue is something that continues to really need addressing.

But glad to see a fellow DS2 connoisseur, let one a pvp one :D

Ah, my bad, I forgot the winky face :P

While you are right in general, I think you took the whole thing way to serious, as it was meant as an utter jest. If you would read my whole post again you might notice, that I gave a very balanced opinion piece about the new DH, with its ups and downs and how its used and only in the very last sentence used this hyperbole. Its so out of sync with the rest of my comment that I thought that it should be pretty obvious that it was just a way over the top kind of joke and not in any way, shape or form serious.

But, as always with this things, in the internet you only hear your internal voice and without smileys, /s or quotationmarks, there is no nuance. So, pleace accept my appology for joking around in this manner and in return maybe sometimes give peeps the benefit of the doubt ^_-

Cheers

Buff other exhaustion perks and players will use them instead of dh

Just because a perk is popular doesn't mean it should be nerfed. Perks are made to be used. This perk is now really hard to place, so any successful DH is well deserved.

If it gets popular again, then it's the players' agency that they choose to use it. Let's respect that.

Self Care is actually nowhere near as bad of a perk as its average user's game sense on when and how to use it. Thats kinda the point they were making, as perks can have a variety of value based on how they are utilized. Some will use it well, others will use it poorly, but at the end of the day none of that has anything to do with the perk's inherent balance.

in SC's case there are cetainly more universally efficient solutions, but they all have conditions that go with them. Using them in a way that their conditions impact their performance is the same issue as it is with people self caring in a corner or right next to a huntress who has nurse's calling. They are allowed to choose because there is no perfect solution that covers all situations, and its a matter of determining how those variables will impact your value from the perk.

I'll take someone who uses self care well to properly go for saves or bait the killer away from the hook over someone who keeps chain cleansing dulls to keep inner strength up at all times vs a killer with pentimento any day.