@AlwaysInAGoodShape said:
@NuclearBurrito2

and healing in the case of thanatophobia would all ALSO be doing the main objective.

No; it doesn't. Healing adds more time unless your heal is near instant. Only if your heal is near instant and linked to taking out a negative multiplier on generators is it directly advancing the main bar.

That can be arranged

Hint: instant heal exist in this game for some reason

Anyways, this arfleblarg has it's pros and cons:

The good:

• It indeed makes doing gens with 1-2 people more reasonable
• Adds more options into what you can do at any given moment

The bad:

• Doesn't do anything to help gen rushes
• Objectively buffs survivors with no other changes made

Potential improvement:

• Make at least 1 required to repair generators. However make generators require 15 less charges. Make any number changes necessary so the timing numbers remain the same (meaning that a generator should still take at least 80 seconds total to finish without anything nerfing your progress) This helps stop gen rushes as building a part is harder to modify the timing of and only a max of 3 people can make a part at once (2 if you don't want to go to the basement) while an uncoordinated team is less likely to need all 3 at the same time

I'll try to come up with other ideas. While I do think the game needs to last longer I have other idea's for that. If I do it right then it should be possible to reduce the amount of time spent on a generator further while allowing for more interesting decision making. Having some kind of part system is important to having something like that work however

@AlwaysInAGoodShape said:

@NuclearBurrito2 said:
Anyways, this arfleblarg has it's pros and cons:

Glad that at least 1 has started to see the obvious

The good:

• It indeed makes doing gens with 1-2 people more reasonable
• Adds more options into what you can do at any given moment

The bad:

• Doesn't do anything to help gen rushes
• Objectively buffs survivors with no other changes made

Potential improvement:

• Make at least 1 required to repair generators. However make generators require 15 less charges. Make any number changes necessary so the timing numbers remain the same (meaning that a generator should still take at least 80 seconds total to finish without anything nerfing your progress) This helps stop gen rushes as building a part is harder to modify the timing of and only a max of 3 people can make a part at once (2 if you don't want to go to the basement) while an uncoordinated team is less likely to need all 3 at the same time

I'll try to come up with other ideas. While I do think the game needs to last longer I have other idea's for that. If I do it right then it should be possible to reduce the amount of time spent on a generator further while allowing for more interesting decision making. Having some kind of part system is important to having something like that work however

As for your comment;
I have a post about Death-Efficiency, which is simply about the disproportional drop in total generator efficiency of survivors upon the death of 1 survivor. (You'd expect to lose 25% per death but it's worse)

Link:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/34870/solution-to-the-death-efficiency-problem-solving-the-games-biggest-issue/p1

I suggest that there's a problem with both gen-rushing and a low survivor count. What happens is that if you prolongue generator times WITHOUT making lower survivor count gameplay possible, then you cannot address the issue and normalise the experience.

Simply nerfing generator time is the worst thing you can do; Nerfing generator time and making the game more survivable for lower-survivor counts is THE solution to one of the core issues of the game.
I explain how regression is key to making the late-game unplayable. That is why the Part route is basically the elimination of that regression element, without unnaturally altering regression.

So if the late-game is playable (with the Part system we can make it as playable as we want to!) then it is indeed possible to start working on slowing down the base-game, which would lead to:

1: Less 4 man escapes.
4: Less the game spiralling into 4 K's after 1 survivor dies.

It's a normalised experience.

While I do think the game needs to last longer

Then play around with generator regression (:
See, we have 2 routes. The B route is slower as we discussed. The A route can be the fastest but it is also possible to experience major regression.

The stronger you make regression, the more tempted people are to start to use part. In the most extreme case: We give the killer to kick a generator to INSTANTLY regress it;

Even with this power the game would still be functional as a 5 part gen only requires the killer to be away for 10 seconds. (about 5-6 seconds if there are 2 survivors on a gen).
Even though survivors could still gen rush in this extreme example; it would be the killer's misplay as they could've instantly regressed a near 80 seconds of generator.

If you understand the above, then you understand the main way you can nerf and buff things in a multi-route environment;

Through regression, you could accomplish the same as:

Make at least 1 required to repair generators. However make generators require 15 less charges. Make any number changes necessary so the timing numbers remain the same (meaning that a generator should still take at least 80 seconds total to finish without anything nerfing your progress) This helps stop gen rushes as building a part is harder to modify the timing of and only a max of 3 people can make a part at once (2 if you don't want to go to the basement) while an uncoordinated team is less likely to need all 3 at the same time

Early game nerf; late game buff; normalisation.

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I'll try to come up with other ideas.

The beauty of the workshops is how many things you can do with them. There are a lot of mechanics that you can attach to it to make it infinitely more dynamic and adding to the gameplay experience;

This picture alone should set the mood:

Correct. This suggestion 100% helps death efficiency issues. Doesn't solve it but it certainly helps. Hence why it is listed under the good.

I just think that as stated right now there are other issues it could be solving that it doesn't. It's a decent suggestion but it could always be better.

The thing about buffing survivors is because giving a situational option will help the survivors in that situation while also not hurting them outside of that situation. Thus I would expect survivor winrate to go up and killer winrate to go down. This is a problem since Killer winrate is too low right now.

No worries however, changes are not made in isolation so it is a simple matter to make further changes to help with balance issues (hence making 1 part per gen 100% required). Again while making a part required if we also decrease the total gen time (not counting parts. The 1 required part means mathematically it is the same time but there is also travel time ect) does counterbalance the potential this change would have to buff survivors it wouldn't nerf them significantly either. However that starts to go beyond the scope of this suggestion, so yeah

For other kinds of objectives I'd want added see this link: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/46668/additional-objectives-brainstorm

Basically in my ideal gameplay loop you would:

1: Get parts (using your system or otherwise)
2: Install those parts into generators (which could actually be SHORTER than now)
3: Do at least 2-3ish generators (exact number can be decided and then balanced around)
4: Either A: Continue doing generators until you have done at least 5 B: Find and open the hatch (which would lead into a new area I'm going to call the tunnels instead of an instant escape) or C: Start doing a map specific objective
5A: Obtain a power cell from the basement. Alternatively complete all 7 generators in the case that the basement is being camped. Doing all 7 generators is a failsafe and not what you actually want to end up doing preferably. The parts system combined with the map specific means camping the killer shack if a generator and the basement both spawn there is not a viable option for the killer
5B: Obtain 3 power cells from the basement
5C: Depends on the map. Feel free to help me brainstorm specifics here
6A: Install the power cell into the gate and then open it like normal. If all generators are repaired then no power cell is needed
6B: Install each power cell into a handle like the one next to the gate. All 3 must be powered (which mechanically works like the gate) for a door in the tunnels to open. The tunnel door can be used to escape. 1 less power handle thing is needed to escape per dead survivor, with 3 dead survivors the door will open with no charges needed so the final person can use the hatch like they do now
6C: Escape somehow. Again map dependant

Route A should require a minimum of 440 charges (up from 420)
Route B should require a minimum of 410 charges and 40 less per dead person but is extremely risky (see link above for details)
Route C should require a minimum of 500 charges but should be the hardest for the killer to defend due to lack of interaction with perks and no direct regression method

Additionally there should only be 1 gate. But since there are 2 other escape routes that means the killer still can't just camp the gate

Powering all gens to open the gate would take 580 charges and is not what you would want to do

The exact numbers can be altered in various ways.

remember that 1 charge = 1 second without modifiers. We use charges instead of seconds because modifiers exist

Please check my idee from August, 2018:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/11371/find-a-wrench-then-repair-a-gen#latest

And of course the last person would not be making such a decision as they can just leave straight away

@AlwaysInAGoodShape said:
@NuclearBurrito2

Labour-wise I think you wouldn't be able to get away with a multi-hallway tunnel set. Though what you want already exists inside of the game, right?; It's the basement, as you've mentioned.

If you want to create such a pressure spot related to doing an objective, then you could try and remove the batteries from the basement and instead have the basement asset have another door inside leading even deeper inside.
(The deeper room having the same aesthetics of the basement)
With such alterations then you might be able to create the type of pressure point you want, while keeping required resources durable.

Dunno, can you see it in front of you?; A basement with another stair-case leading even deeper, made out of basement textures etc?

I would be willing to take that as a compromise. I would prefer BOTH the power cells AND the tunnel to be in a pressure point (with the cells being far faster and thus a bit less risky in comparison), but in the event that doing this isn't possible I am ok with it being part of the basement