@The_Crusader said:
Blueberry said:

@Aven_Fallen said:

 @Blueberry said:

Even if slugging is an issue to any survivor there are multiple anti slugging perks available, they just simply refuse to use them.

What are those Perks?

Unbreakable for sure, but please dont tell me you mean No Mither with this "Please pick me up, I will recover from dying state"-Sign.

Unbreakable, Tenacity and to an extent Adrenaline. This is on top of the fact that slugging was nerfed recently to where you can recover to only needing a second tap from another survivor to get you up or that with the recently added ranking system killers are punished for slugging as it doesn't get you any emblem points.

Lol what?

If there are 2 survivors left and 1 is slugged I can guarentee you Adrenaline isn't going to activate anytime soon.

Tenacity can't get you off the ground. You could crawl to the other person but chances are the killer will be keeping a watchful eye over you anyway so you'd just get the other person killed.

That leaves Unbreakable, a perk that will see use in 1 in every 500 games. Killers don't take Hangmans trick, mad grit, or iron maiden for the same reason.

" If there are 2 survivors left and 1 is slugged I can guarentee you Adrenaline isn't going to activate anytime soon."

This is entirely subjective. Many times you only need 1 or 2 gens and if the killer is really watching that closely over them then that shouldn't be a problem. If they aren't then that's an easy save. If you really do need 3+ gens then the slugging isn't really the issue as this means the entire team is just playing very badly and that's simply a skill issue.

"Tenacity can't get you off the ground. You could crawl to the other person but chances are the killer will be keeping a watchful eye over you anyway so you'd just get the other person killed."

The whole point is not that it gets you off the ground, it's that you are able to lose the killer and get off the ground quicker from a save. If he''s watching you so closely that he still doesn't lose you then that other survivor is getting to work on gens for free now isn't he. Also, only a stupid survivor is gonna be just crawling directly in the direction of the other survivor and that's just simply a miss play on his part.

"That leaves Unbreakable, a perk that will see use in 1 in every 500 games. Killers don't take Hangmans trick, mad grit, or iron maiden for the same reason."
So if it's that rarely used then slugging really isn't happening that often, so which is it? Is it happening enough to make this perk good or is it not and this entire forum post is now mute. You're contradicting yourself.

PiiFree said:

@Aven_Fallen said:

@PiiFree said:

@Eveline said:
But it takes forever sometimes...

It's still way faster than the average time required for a hatch standoff.

Just dont do Hatch Stand-Offs. Problem solved.

That's what I'm doing by slugging. Problem solved.

@Nickenzie said:
PiiFree said:

@Aven_Fallen said:

@PiiFree said:

@Eveline said:

But it takes forever sometimes...

It's still way faster than the average time required for a hatch standoff.

Just dont do Hatch Stand-Offs. Problem solved.

That's what I'm doing by slugging. Problem solved.

You can just slap the survivor on the butt and take your 3k. Same thing for the survivor side, let the killer sacrifice you by jumping in and move on.

Problem solved and you save 20 minutes of your time. Yeah, you're so welcome!

Any solution that invovles willingly losing isn't one.

The solution on the survivor side is to do gens while the killer is on the hatch. And then to go to the hatch when the killer checks on the gens

@Eveline said:
Swiftblade131 said:

Why do survivors wait at the gates when no one is hooked?

That's totally the topic here. 

Eye for an Eye

@Eveline said:
Don't get me wrong I don't even want the hatch I just want to move to the next game. It's so boring.

It's the most killers can do if they want a 4k. Otherwise, they'll either need to find the survivor before they find the hatch or have a stand-off.

NuclearBurrito2 said:

@Nickenzie said:
PiiFree said:

@Aven_Fallen said:

@PiiFree said:

@Eveline said:

But it takes forever sometimes...

It's still way faster than the average time required for a hatch standoff.

Just dont do Hatch Stand-Offs. Problem solved.

That's what I'm doing by slugging. Problem solved.

You can just slap the survivor on the butt and take your 3k. Same thing for the survivor side, let the killer sacrifice you by jumping in and move on.

Problem solved and you save 20 minutes of your time. Yeah, you're so welcome!

Any solution that invovles willingly losing isn't one.

The solution on the survivor side is to do gens while the killer is on the hatch. And then to go to the hatch when the killer checks on the gens

@Nickenzie said:
NuclearBurrito2 said:

@Nickenzie said:

PiiFree said:

@Aven_Fallen said:

@PiiFree said:

@Eveline said:

But it takes forever sometimes...



It's still way faster than the average time required for a hatch standoff.



Just dont do Hatch Stand-Offs. Problem solved.



That's what I'm doing by slugging. Problem solved.



You can just slap the survivor on the butt and take your 3k. Same thing for the survivor side, let the killer sacrifice you by jumping in and move on.

Problem solved and you save 20 minutes of your time. Yeah, you're so welcome!

Any solution that invovles willingly losing isn't one.

The solution on the survivor side is to do gens while the killer is on the hatch. And then to go to the hatch when the killer checks on the gens

Exactly, but others think wasting 30+ minutes is a even better option. Personally, if reach the hatch, I'll either kill myself or attack the survivor just so I can move on to the next game. It sucks that losing is the only option but hey, at least I get to keep 30 minutes of my life and spend them on those delicious bloodpoints!

The point is that you balance and make plans with the assumption that winning is your #1 priority. Because when it isn't you aren't trying to play optimally in the first place.

thesuicidefox said:

@NuclearBurrito2 said:
Any solution that invovles willingly losing isn't one.

Except the killer has already won because they pipped, likely even double pipped. A 4k is not what defines a win in this game, it's only a win based on your arbitrary rules. Survivor on the other hand does risk "losing" by jumping into the hatch to get grabbed because they can lose their pip for that. This is almost NEVER the situation for the killer, unless it's something like 3 survivors escaped already and the last one is just greedy for hatch.

I freely give hatch in a ton of my games (and some games people get it legit) I still "won" because I got a 3k and pipped/double pipped.

Like I said in the other thread, if you gave up this idea that "4k = only win condition" then you would probably get a lot more enjoyment and a lot less frustration out of playing killer.

@thesuicidefox said:

@NuclearBurrito2 said:
Any solution that invovles willingly losing isn't one.

Except the killer has already won because they pipped, likely even double pipped. A 4k is not what defines a win in this game, it's only a win based on your arbitrary rules. Survivor on the other hand does risk "losing" by jumping into the hatch to get grabbed because they can lose their pip for that. This is almost NEVER the situation for the killer, unless it's something like 3 survivors escaped already and the last one is just greedy for hatch.

I freely give hatch in a ton of my games (and some games people get it legit) I still "won" because I got a 3k and pipped/double pipped.

Like I said in the other thread, if you gave up this idea that "4k = only win condition" then you would probably get a lot more enjoyment and a lot less frustration out of playing killer.

Pips in this game do not decide if you won or not. If we were going by pips then on most matches everyone would be a winner as it's extremely hard not to pip. Basing your wins on pips is you thinking you won when you're given a participation trophy.

Good grief the hatch isn't a free escape get over yourselves because the survivors had to do their objective enough for it to even spawn and then actually make it out alive.

I don't do hatch standoffs, I go look for them and if it was a good match and I find it 1st i let them know where it is then roam off.

My ego isn't that large that I've got to get my 4k and if someone gets out come to the forums and whine about it being a free escape.

Watching all the whining on here about it is no different than watching a bunch of 6 year olds whine over someone winning a board game because gasp they did what they were supposed to.

@powerbats said:
Good grief the hatch isn't a free escape get over yourselves because the survivors had to do their objective enough for it to even spawn and then actually make it out alive.

I don't do hatch standoffs, I go look for them and if it was a good match and I find it 1st i let them know where it is then roam off.

My ego isn't that large that I've got to get my 4k and if someone gets out come to the forums and whine about it being a free escape.

Watching all the whining on here about it is no different than watching a bunch of 6 year olds whine over someone winning a board game because gasp they did what they were supposed to.

You realize that this is a thread of a Survivor whining about Killers preventing a hatch standoff from happening by slugging the 3rd?

Has nothing to do with ego either but w/e.

Dwight_Confusion said:

If its a SWF team, and they were annoying... I'll slug. Period.

I'm entitled to slug, I'm entitled to kill.

In a game called "dead by daylight" the survivors aren't entitled to survive.

@The_Crusader said:
Tucking_Friggered said:

@The_Crusader said:

Because sweat.

I don't mind when they do it after a well earned victory. I just hate when they try it after a 3vs1 game where they had a big advantage, or when they do it after camping all game and having noob survivors feed them kills.

On behalf of the killer community we'd like to inform you of how much thought we put into you minding something and thank you for your approval. The quality of this community can never be attributed properly in words and standing among one's opponents means something indescribable. The level of intellect and humility you demonstrate has a certain Je Ne Sais Quoi. You are one of the few, the crème de la crème.

Exactly. There's no sense of honour or sportsmanship in this gamr.

The funny thing is a lot of killers don't like to slug and most only do it for the adept, if the people are jerks, or you've got that one person sandbagging their team.

As a killer amin I only do it for those reasons and if the persons really a jerk I'll just let them bleed out and let the others do gens. I'll chase them but that one person if no hook is close is dying slowly.

thesuicidefox said:

@Cymer said:
Rank is meaningless, not entirely correct, ranking up is disadvantageous. You get longer queue times, more unfun matchups, less killer variey ect.

Because both killer and survivors in your rank are playing for kills/escapes and not the pip. PIP IS THE WIN CONDITION AS DEFINIED BY THE GAME. Any other "win condition" is purely imaginary and of your own accord.

If you are lower rank killer you aren't playing for pips, and therefore you run into survivors that aren't playing for pips. If neither side is playing for pips, then they have to be playing for kills/escapes. If they are playing for kills/escapes the game will be less fun for the other side because they will just use a lot of OP stuff and lame tactics to get what they want. Even though it's not actually a win.

When you get players that play for pips (high ranks) then you see less OP stuff and fewer lame tactics because kills/escapes are not as important. It's actually way more fun, and if more people realized this there would be more players at high ranks and thus shorter queue times. But we have a whole group of killers and survivors that have this almost antiquated perception about what constitutes a win in DBD.

@TheMidnightRidr said:
Because when killers complain about the hatch, survivors (and some killers) tell them “just slug for the 4K”, then get yelled at for slugging. It’s an endless loop. 

Exactly this.

@HeroLives said:
Dude slugging has got so bad that they don’t even do it just Bc of hatch anymore it will be beginning or mid game and they’ll start slugging for the 4K and it’s so hard to combat if they’re any good at it. I’ve become so sick of sluggers Bc it’s not just end game anymore. 

That's exactly what happens when people insult me for "slugging to avoid the hatch standoff", like I presented in the meme above xD it's based on a true story.

@thesuicidefox said:

@Cymer said:
Yet again you miss the point.
I never told you, that I disagree with pipping is the games win condition.

THEN DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT GAME MECHANICS.

If you play to your own standards fine, go ahead, I'm not telling you that you have to play for a pip. What I am telling you is that you have no right to complain about ANYTHING that goes against what you consider a win. If you want a 4k, slug away. But don't sit there and complain that survivors let each other bleed out to hatch. Don't complain about perks like DS or Adren that increase a survivor's chance to escape. Don't complain about hatch ANYTHING (especially if you are already slugging). Don't complain about loops. Don't complain about gen rush. Just sit there and SHUT UP because the game should not bend to your imaginary rules.

@Cymer said: Again you are so stuck with your thinking of what is the correct way, the correct terms that you miss OPs question.

Contrary to what you think, or what anyone thinks, there is actually a RIGHT and WRONG way to play a game. The RIGHT way is to play optimally in order to win. The WRONG way is everything else. That's not to say you can't play WRONG if you want to, you have the freedom to do this. But if you do, then you lost the right to criticize the game. Example, if you want to only move pawns in Chess until you are forced to use another piece you are objectively playing the game WRONG because that is a losing strategy. Therefore, you have no right to say that the Knight is overpowered because he can sidestep pawns where other pieces are blocked if another piece is in it's path. To do so suggests that you want the game to bend to your will, instead of the opposite where you adapt to play the game correctly. This goes for ANY game, including video games, and including DBD.

Also there can be multiple RIGHT ways to play a game, but only if those ways result in a win.

Please point to the line in the game that says you are supposed to pip in this game. I can show where it says that the survivors are supposed to escape and where it says that the killers are supposed to sacrifice. But I don't see pip's mentioned anywhere outside of when you are told you got them.

Yes you rank by getting them. But many games have their ranking systems separate from their games wincondition.

Overwatch and battleright are 2 examples off the top of my head that use performance rather than a binary win/lose to determine ranks