What strategies do survivors want killers to use?

I agree been toxic has no excuse and the only one of those I consider toxic would be slugging all for the bleed out hitting on the hook is the same as tbagging.

I hate to break it to you but humans are competitive by nature and want to win its why sports are such a big thing. I just found out that connect 4 has a pro version named connect 5. The majority of people playing a online pvp game is competitive to some degree and wants to win.

Strategies that are not based on exploiting/abusing something that bhvr hasn't fixed yet. Strategies that are based on skill, good sportsmanship and fair competition

It used to be that the chase was the most important aspect of the game.

With Ruin/Undying a killer got nearly zero value if they didn't spread pressure to various survivors. The only 'free pressure' with that build was the time spent hunting for the totems. Even if you brought pop it wouldn't activate until you earned a hook. Every part of that requires a chase.

Even Pain Res/DMS (which as a combo is literally unchanged, DMS provides the information) had the same thing, in a different order. You earned the perks on hook and then spread pressure to block gens and force people to spend time healing instead of repairing.

With how most people play now, gens are the most important aspect of gameplay.

People drop chase to kick gens all the time, because the chase is less important than the gen kick now. There's nothing to 'earn' with the current perks, they're always active with or without a hook, so there's nothing that ensures the game is progressing. More and more games it's like instead of 'killer' the role is 'saboteur'.

And if the killer decides that it's time to play 'gen kick simulator 2023', there's literally nothing the survivors can do to force a chase. The options at that point are 'give up' or 'slog for 40 minutes and maybe win'.

3-gen kicking strat

It can be reportable but from what I understand it's a case by case scenario.

Best example I can give is this ...

Killer either IDs the 3-Gen and keeps the Survivors away from it to ensure they make a 3-Gen mistake or the Survivors make the mistake themselves. The Killer then defends it but dosnt chase a Survivor or get baited away from the 3-Gen isn't reportable.

If the Killer refuses to chase and just hovers around the Gens just smacking Survivors that get too close is reportable.

Mind you that's just my understanding from various responses that Mandy and Penits have given so don't take it as full facts. Because like I said it's a case by case scenario and up to the report team if they consider it holding hostage or not.

The last four killers released have been anti-loop (Dredge, Wesker, Knight, Skull Merchant to a lesser extent). Dredge and Wesker have really good anti-loop. Tbh Knight does as well with his recent buffs. So it’s a lie that BHVR hasn’t been releasing killers that do well in chase.

It's still unneccesary to tunnel 5 gens left. But ultimately it's bhvr job to incentive killers for spreading hooks and they have done the opposite... Rewarding survivors if they're not tunneled "blood rush". Nerfing ds which was actually keeping tunneling down. Nerfing BBQ and pop goes to weasel which both encouraged killers to leave hook and go after different target.

They are the best ways, and there's no one saying otherwise. But everything that disrupts the normal flow of gameplay is just frustrating.

So, the concept of the game is, a killer is on the loose and the survivors have to avoid him while completing objectives. Each time they get hooked, they have it a bit harder to complete their objective.

The problem with these strategies is that they interfere with what the game is supposed to be played like, kinda like how people made a fuss about Knight not fulfilling the fantasy it was supposed to be fulfilling.

• Camping hooks is a fast way to lose a player. The killer won't move or chase others, they'll just remain there until the sacrifice is complete. You cannot complete all the gens in the time the killer is doing nothing, so it feels like you just queued for a tie-or-lose match. The worst feeling goes to the camped player, who could have been caught in the first minute of the match only to leave with less than 2k Bloodpoints for standing hopelessly on a hook for a minute.
• Tunneling is a less effective and somewhat more fair version of camping. The killer may go and interact with other players, but will drop chase immediately to put them back on hook once rescued. The problem with this one is, again, the one getting tunneled isn't given time to recover, and so they have to do whatever they can with whatever health and perks they have. While chasing is one of the more enjoyed aspects of the game, getting tunneled can dramatically reduce your Bloodpoints gain by not being able to touch a single objective the whole game. Variety is the spice of life, after all.
• Slugging is harder but it's the one that feels the most like straight up cheating. If successful, you can speedrun several hook states one go. Keep in mind that you don't need to slug everyone at the same time to apply pressure. One person bleeding out and another one on chase means 3 people off generators at minimum. If you successfully slug 2, you've successfully brought the game to a halt. The killer doesn't have to hook people to win, which feels like a betrayal of what the game is supposed to be about. The worst part is ending the game in a slug, where the only thing survivors can do is crawl to some hidden spot to bleed out to death in hopes the killer doesn't hook them, which makes survivors feel hopeless and frustrated and makes killers angry at survivors for doing... well, the only thing they could feasibly do in that situation instead of just giving up.
• 3-gen camping is what I consider a design flaw, but people cling to it claiming it's a strategy and therefore the devs have embraced it as such. You should not, at any point, make the optimal strategy be standing still and shoo survivors away until they give up. It betrays the principle of chases, it betrays the principle of hooking and it fails in delivering the fantasy that you're facing a killer when they're really not that willing to go and kill you. No one, and I mean, no one signed up for this in the game, whichever side they're playing. It's straight up tedious to face and it makes the line of what "holding the game hostage" means really blurry.

What the game should play like is: the killer downs someone, hooks them if there's no survivors around to perform a save, then go off to down someone else if they can't find any survivors in the immediate vicinity to perform a rescue. After kicking a gen, the killer leaves to find someone else as long as there's no survivors around the generator ready to continue repairing it.

No one is asking killers to throw by disregarding information they already have, like ignoring survivors gathering around a hook or a generator, or getting ready to perform a flashlight save in plain sight, and at least I don't think the blame is on the killers when a situation where slugging or camping happens due to natural gameplay. What people hate is that the game does little to prevent doing this without any reason to trigger this kind of gameplay.

Camping bubbas don't camp because they're forced to, they camp because they know it's an easy 2k.

Tunneling killers don't drop chases because they're forced to by the survivors, they tunnel because the game puts every single warning on the rescued survivor, from the hook rescue sound and visual warnings to the scratch marks, blood pools and grunts of pain of the rescued survivor. The game is making it easier for you to find the weaker target instead of encouraging you to find someone else.

People that 3-gen aren't generally at fault for doing what they do, but the game reinforces this gameplay by not giving an alternative way to progress the game at a stalemate and by releasing killers specifically tailor-made to camp gens.

The game is just terribly designed, in such a way that the best strategy is the one that people enjoy the least and betrays its own rules the most.

3 gen only sucks when they refuse to even attempt to chase.

Yea but we can't expect the Killer to continue the chase away from the Gens into deadzones that's where many seem to forget about "The Killer Refuses To chase"

Like a lot of Skull Merchants lately. Had two back-to-back who did this, would chase at the start of the game but only so long before they'd drop and march back to their three-gen kicking any gens that had progression along the way.

I can't imagine it was a fun way to play, because it's winning by exhausting the survivors out of their resources.

Be fine if the Devs wouldn't take it as gospel.