When do killers get basekit anti-gen rush?

Not gonna lie, I don't think there is a healthy way to just give killers a universal base kit solution to gen rushing.

You would be better served by looking at either restructuring survivor objective in some way or doing a targeted rework of on toolboxes or gen regression. Personally, I'd rather have a rework to gen regression where in the early game it is fairly strong, but gets weaker over time as I do feel killers do need to be a bit more proactive to gain benefit of that nature. I also realize certain killers just can't keep up and that goes to more nuanced design issue that is best solved directly rather than a blanket universal semi-solution. I think we may be at a point in DBD where concepts like 110% movement speed killers shouldn't be a thing anymore and perks should either be doing more niche force multiplying effects or be reworked/tuned to be generally less specific by overall more useful.

Hexes have sort of been bullied out of killer kits with a few exceptions, gen regression across the board has been severely cut so I think doing a mix of targeted adjustments on both sides would bring better results.

Killers haven't really gotten anything that matches the universal base kit additions of survivors. You can give killers a universally buff while Nurse, Spirit, and Blight exists because ultimately the three of them do not constitute the majority of play space by design won't really suffer or gain drastic benefits. That is the problem with being that good, things that aren't specifically targeted to you just don't really effect you all that much.

By design it is pretty hard to give killers any sort of universal buff because the problems killers have often even if the overall outcome is the same the causes and symptoms are different. So unless I'm missing something it would be cool if you can elaborate on what exactly you consider a base kit buff for killers that has actually happened.

Keep in mind that the rework to medkits and self healing while beneficial to killers isn't something that should be considered a base kit buff. That's a negative survivor balance change as it doesn't directly give killers anything it just makes the overall play more reasonable.

To be honest I don't see anything out of league for the DbD community here so you really shouldn't be surprised anymore

First of, can you define what a gen rush is, please?

I think that is a good definition, but then the proposed solution is wrong, since it doesnt affect just gen rushing but normal gameplay as well. The Survivor changes dont effect killers that neither camp nor tunnel much.

But i agree that by your definition of gen rush, it is a problem. But on the same turn, its sometimes needed. But then the CounterTunneling/CounterGenrush circle just starts all over again.

Completed gens cant be regressed tho. Removing regression would be more like removing healing from the game, if we try to find similarities.

Gens/gate ~ hookstates

Repair ~ chase

Regression ~ healing/denial/pallets etc.

Escape ~ Kill.

No cause that would make it even more impossible to win with potatoes (which matchmaking loving giving you). Maybe if match making actually work this could slightly be a interesting idea.

Same can be said for Survivors

Almost like matchmaking should be good. But no, instead we have this trash one where matchmaking for MMR purposes caps at 1600, meaning a real 1600 player could go against a 2.2k player.

That's what happens when you have broken things on either side that people relied WAY too heavily on

They really didn't. Remember how survivors got +10 seconds of basekit BT off the hook? That's the exact time shift killers "save" with the extra generator time except that you expect 9 hook events during a game and only 5 gens to get completed.

Even this math is in favor of the survivor by 40 seconds.

-"What is the high level top tier survivor doing? They are exploiting extremely powerful loops on cowshed that make it nearly impossible for a killer to catch them."

Never played TF2 but the parachute segment is a perfect example that shows the difference between top players and average players. One of the biggest problems with DBD is that the loops are designed to hand hold average players. When you get to Cowshed and someone runs around a loop and doesn't throw the pallet after running around it 3-4 times then this ends up not being fair to the killer.

Funny enough VHS had mechanics that overcame several of DBD's problems.

Healing in DBD is still questionable because when I play "medic" I use 2 perks to heal people off the hook in under 7 seconds. This leads to scenarios where it feels to the killer that hits don't matter. VHS solved this problem by having the monster go enraged which meant hit = down no matter what.

Going back to the problem of looping we could fix broken maps very easily. Once upon a time in 2018 we had "super Bloodlust"; if you don't know what that is you can find some videos where streamers like Tofu talk about it. In short imagine if we changed the Bloodlust mechanic so that when a killer chases you they buildup bloodlust and it doesnt ever go away until they hit someone for damage. How would that change the game?

If we look at "bad" players we can say they loop for X seconds and we can be sure that X is some variable between 5-20 seconds before a killer hits them in chase. If we changed the game so that no matter what the very best players were only X+10 seconds instead of what we have now which is closer to X+40 seconds then killer would have a minimum chase time.

This would allow everyone to be on roughly the same page. The problem is that veteran players who are used to looping a killer for 30-60 seconds before getting hit would be very angry.

An even more simple solution would be to limit people by their MMR. What does that mean? New players have an 800 MMR so they would play on the maps we have now with extreme hand holding. Imagine if we made a 1200 MMR version of the same maps where either an entire jungle gym were removed from some maps or 2 filler pallets never spawned. That would be a much more challenging map but players in that MMR bracket would be fine. That leads us to the 1600+ MMR players who could run killers on maps with 4 pallets/vaults missing - therefore when they play any map it will spawn with a combination of 4 vaults and pallets "missing".

OR we could limit killers by the maximum MMR they should face. Imagine for example if Trapper were set to a 1199 MMR limit so they would never play against 1200 MMR players. That might make that killer "fair" to play.

Or we could go through the list and change all the killers to be on a Blight/Nurse level. Imagine the Legion killer. We give Legion Iri button base kit. Now Legion will chase down survivors with the ease of Blight.