Killers should be punished for tunnelling and not rewarded

I'm not sure what you mean by saying survivors should be ok with losing. Even with tunneling you're going to lose as you could with gen focus.

But like I said, is it possible sure the same way its possible for survivors to win while doing all totems and chest and spreading their gen progress. They don't "need" to focus gens they want to.

I wouldn't say its reasonable to ask people to play sub optimally on purpose while trying to win, especially whole they don't do the same on their side. If its the most efficient strategy then it is what it is. We should buff other strats up to that level before dragging this one down.

You seem to be making it about ego when generally that's not really the case. People just want their best shot at winning, which yeah that makes complete sense. You don't have an ego just because you don't want to shoot yourself in the foot every match.

Now if both sides agree to play sub optimally than sure that's different since it'll equalize the playing field, but that's not really what I see being expressed.

You are asking the killer to slow down their main objective. If killers have to be fine with survivors slamming gens survivors have to be fine with killers slamming kills.

So the survivors who want to keep slamming gens should not be complaining about tunneling. That's hypocrisy otherwise.

The killers main objective is kills, you are asking them to get a kill partway then go work on another one or do something else. The survivor equivalent would be to do a gen partway, then go work on another one or do something else.

Just because the killer has different ways to delay themselves doesn't change that they're doing it. Survivors have their own ways to delay themselves.

Survivors need gens and killers need kills. To use your phrase, I don't see why killers should have to slow down just because of survivors inability to keep up with kill speeds.

Killers have regression, survivors have gen speed perks and toolboxes. Survivors have looping to delay downs and by extension kills.

Any other strat is delaying yourself significantly since currently nothing compares to getting a player out the game ASAP. Not tunneling is not fully trying to win. You're handicapping yourself. Same as not focusing gens.

Everything you're saying about killers can be reflected to survivors in their own version, so both either slow down or shouldn't expect the other to do so while they don't.

Killer is also miserable when gens fly.

Is it perhaps the time to bring back old Ruin, and old DS again? I mean, the way the game is played these days is just a toxic sweatfest, on both sides. No one, besides a few people are playing for fun and chilling out it seems like.

Either that or there has to be a penalty system in place to prevent tunneling/camping and genrushing, so that we get rid of this current meta. - I also believe the SBMM change is somewhat to blame for the rise of scummy tactics.

What I would propose at least is something like this:

• Survivors are fully invulnerable after getting unhooked, until they perform a conspicous action, or someone else is put on a hook.
• Killers who stay within the proximity of a hook for a prolonged while, while also not being in a chase will get a negative debuff to all Bloodpoint gains (subtracted after the match), that progressively gets stronger the more they camp the proximity of the hook (shown as a debuff icon with a counter that goes from 0-100). If said counter reaches 100%, the killer will not gain any bloodpoints after the match.
• Killers with traps are prevented from placing these within a 12 meter radius of the hooked survivor. Previously placed traps within the radius gets deactivated (Similar to how Skull Merchant drones work)

• Survivors that rush generators will suffer a speed penalty to all repairing if they complete generators too fast.
• If two generators gets done within 60 seconds of eachother, a 10% reduction of repair speed will take place on the 3rd generator. (takes 99 seconds to complete).
• If two generators are done within 30 seconds of eachother, a 25% repair debuff gets applied to the 3rd generator. (takes 112.5 seconds to complete).
• If two generators are done within 15 seconds of eachother, a 40% repair debuff gets applied to the 3rd generator. (takes 126 seconds to complete).
• If three generators are completed within 90 seconds of eachother, a 20% repair debuff gets applied to the 4th generator (takes 108 seconds to complete)
• If three generators are completed within 50 seconds of eachother, a 40% repair debuff gets applied to the 4th generator (takes 126 seconds to complete)
• If three generators are completed within 25 seconds of eachother, a 60% repair debuff gets applied to the 4th generator (takes 144 seconds to complete)
• If four generators gets repaired within 120 seconds of eachother, a 100% repair debuff gets applied to the last generator (takes a full 3 minutes to complete),
• If a survivor is killed or sacrificed during the debuff duration, all debuffs are reduced by 50% of their initial strength.
• If two survivors are killed during the debuff duration, all debuffs are deactivated.

This would likely eliminate the current meta, and force players into a more fun and interactive way of playing. It would also reduce the power of SWF groups, as they won't be able to genrush as easily, while the last member of the team is occupying the killer