I miss Old CoH and Medkits so much man..

You don’t think medkits in their current state are redundant? I understand I should be healing my teammates, and they should be healing me. That isn’t always plausible, however. They could’ve easily reduced healing speed and efficiency for self-care on all medkits without making them all 24 charges. And why would I ever bring Botany Knowledge knowing if I do need to use a medkit it will never be enough to heal me fully? They could’ve just made it so that BK’s speed boost is deactivated when using a medkit rather than adding the efficiency penalty. None of it makes sense to me.

Isn’t that what makes them not okay though? They’re all essentially the same unless they’re being used on another survivor.

What do you mean by "useful".

Nah, self-healing being strong was bad for the game. Old CoH was effective for staying alive against the old 3-gen meta, but once Overbrine was gone it needed to go too. The game isn't balanced around survivors being as self-sufficient as they could be before CoH and medkits were nerfed. Medkits are still very good at that too, just not as much as they were before.

My only gripe with medkits now is that they don't feel different enough in rarity, a brown medkit is almost as good as a purple medkit. Brown medkits should probably be a little weaker and green + purple medkits should be a bit stronger. Yellow medkits are fine the way they are.

As a Killer main, I do not miss 8 second heals and constantly having to snuff out CoH totems. I do agree that they could do more to differentiate different rarities of medkits since nobody uses them altruistically anyway, but given that everyone is still running them I don't think they're useless, especially since I see styptics and syringes way more now than before. I would welcome a change to make altruistic healing easier for solo players, and I keep coming back to something like basekit Kindred or other informational perks as a nice way to allow survivors to reset and collaborate better without giving SWFs an undue advantage.

Rather than reverting what was definitely a necessary set of changes to medkits and CoH, I'd prefer they show some love to some of the more niche healing perks like Solidarity, Bite the Bullet, Desperate Measrues and so on. They should also just buff Self Care since everyone runs it anyway and it's not exactly going to ruin the meta if it's a bit stronger.

In the longer term, I really believe devs should adjust how perks and items synergise with one another so we get fewer broken metas on both sides. The gen-kick Killer meta was not fun, nor were 8-second heals, nor are 50 second generators or 110% movement speed survivors. Granted, it might remove some 'fun' strategies if these kinds of synergies were reworked, but it would also allow some underused perks to get more attention (and therefore changes) if stacking gen regression or healing speed perks was less effective than bringing a diverse kit to a Trial.

But if that healing action gets interrupted at all it’s useless. You don’t have enough for more than 1 full heal.

Is it though? You get 1 full self-heal from a medkit. I understand people not wanting every survivor to be able to heal 5 times with ease but the current functionality is redundant. Why would I want the purple medkit when I can use a brown one with the same results?

Sloppy Butcher also exists and is ran by more than half of the killers I face. It can easily make the current medkits absolutely useless.

Survivor bloodwebs are extremely cluttered. We have map offerings, blueprints, luck modifiers, bloodpoint modifiers, perks, shrouds, reagents, 5 different kinds of items with varying rarities and multiple add-ons for all of those items. So how often do you think a purple medkit comes along let alone the really good add-ons? If you’re pouring in the points to level characters extremely fast you’re gonna get to see those more often but if you’re the average player, like myself, they’re rare which is kind of the point. I shouldn’t have to rely on an add-on to make an item worth using. Besides, I see way more killers iridescent power add-ons than purple medkit add-ons in my bloodwebs because of how they’re designed.

They can be a self healing item, but if they are anywhere close to before it is simply too strong and no I am not talking about healing your mates. With a syringe you can get yourself 2 full self heals with 1 medkit.

Self healing is a risky bet in the game since healing on average is designed to take 2 survivors and that by itself is fine, its why it was a bad idea they made all healing take 24 secs in the PTB. Self healing already cuts that time in half in terms of time efficiency which doing it once and especially at 24 seconds is probably fine. But getting a bunch of heals at 16 seconds or less on yourself is just too powerful, especially for some of the weaker killers.

Killer mains here have always complained about the speed at which gens are completed; even during the Erupt-Over-Brine era.

Circle of Healing was a whole can of worms I wish BHVR never opened.

It's a parasite that completely redefined the way Survivors think about the game.

Both nerfs were necessary, but the medkit nerfed felt a bit uninspired. Give all medkits the same charges and heal speed, then include the ability to remove status effects like Haemorrhage, Deep Wound, Mangled, and possibly even Hindered.

I've no suggestions for how to implement those into the game, I just think the medkits need more situational value. Maybe you have a medkit that doesn't even heal, it just removes status effects, idk.

I'm a huge fan of Hit N' Run because it brings the horror element back into the game. Survivors should always be looking over their shoulder, and there is just too much security in knowing you can sit on a gen for 90s because the Killer needs to commit to their current chase or they will lose the game. Sitting on a gen is boring, but the threat of the Killer showing up at any moment goes a long way towards making it fun and engaging.

The medkits do become a lot more different from each other and better if you are using it to heal your team mates.

Also, you can just bring a brown addon and a syringe to get your two heals one of which you can have whilst moving or even in a chase. I know you need an iri but again it is a powerful effect.

I think overall it is just too risky to buff self healing of medkits in any way since if you made it so a ranger medkit basekit like before could get two heals that can already be a bit much to deal with.

Maps are the most consistently useful item in the entire game.

Keys are still useful, but you can't go into games playing for hatch from the start. They have lots of other effects that are useful.

Alex's toolbox is consistently useful for sabo, it's literally never changed.

Flashlights have the same consistency they've had for basically most of their existence.

If you really needed 4 heals out of a ranger kit to have fun then you have different issues outside of item consistency.

I don’t necessarily NEED 4 heals from a medkit but knowing I have something to help me out of a tight spot enables me to play a bit riskier (or, more altruistically in this game’s sense.) I would not say maps are the most useful item as most people are already good at locating gens and totems. As for flashlights, try getting a flashlight save on the Switch. Not saying it’s impossible but it’s difficult enough I don’t even bother with them. Not to mention one of the most popular killer perks completely negates a flashlights usefulness and they can see when they need to bring it.

Ok, I'll give you flashlights on Switch.

You love tunnelling you say?