Obvious intentional hook suicide should be bannable.

I played with Nemmy on RPD and after a bit of game BIll wanted to get out. He just gave up and did not run anymore. I tried to get him to run but nothing. So I placed him on a hook. As I made my way ahead few corners later I got an unhook prompt. I decided to return to chase whoever showed up only to find him standing under the hook alone. He hit 4% ! Nobody else was around.

Having no other choice I hooked him again and he left quickly.

The reason it happens is simple enough. It's a massive sense of entitlement, and no matter what changes are made to the game, you can't fix that. They know the game, they know how it works, the good and the bad. They know all this before they ever hit a lobby, yet still make the choice to do so - it's just they want all the good and none of the bad. Doesn't work that way: you get what you get and then you move on. The answer isn't to destroy the game for everyone else because they're inconvenienced, it's to stop playing the game they're clearly not enjoying at this point.

They should make better tutorials for new people that expressly WARNS them that doing this is not recommended. New players do it the most and you know what..you can't really blame them. The option is there so why not?

I wouldn't say "not letting them out that easy" and taking it as spiteful is having it backwards. I just think the penalty should go away so that way people that don't want to be jerks but don't wanna play in a match they are hating can have an out.

Even if you somehow punished people for failing skill checks, what’s to stop them from running into the arms of killers? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a killer turn down a free kill. Not once. Lol.

While most of the games listed have longer matches, they also have basic QoL features such as bans in the Ranked modes. DBD has MMR required, meaning we only have Ranked mode with matchmaking (Customs being the alternative mode), without the Ranked mode QoL features found in those other games. Also many of the games have surrender votes. The games also don't permanently lock a player out of the match on death (forcing a SWF member to alt-tab and watch a video in the meantime for 3-20 minutes), and many of those games are designed with comeback mechanics. Shooters are also unique in that a sufficiently skilled player can literally solo the entire enemy team. If my team has half the gold of the opponents in Dota/League, we can still get lucky on an ambush/teamfight and win. If I have a baby Feng being chased first in DBD, it isn't a matter of if we lose, but when we lose (if the Killer doesn't intentionally hinder themselves to play nice). If she predrops all the pallets, I can't 5 gen run the Killer while managing their bloodlust with those pallets, especially if she is hiding and refusing to touch gens while I'm in chase across the entire map.

I agree. If people aren't having fun, they aren't having fun. The solution is to take themselves out of the environment where they're not having fun. Like I said; they know the game, how it works, the good and the bad. At this point, they are aware of all of the things others can do to make the game not fun for them, and this includes other people quitting and turning matches into no-contests.

They join games knowing they're likely not going to have fun at this point, then they quit without leaving a bot knowing everyone else won't have fun either now. Entitlement has everything to do with it, because if they truly weren't having fun, they'd just stop. Joining a lobby to experience only the good while taking their ball and going home when the bad happens -- that they're fully aware may happen -- is entitlement. They think they're entitled to none of DBD's bad parts and they think they're entitled to be one of those bad parts for other people if it doesn't go their way.

Ok lets get started.

League doesn't give out false bans even remotely commonly. I have been warned once for leaving 10 YEARS ago over an email and suspended once for a first time offence for 14 days(deservedly). I have been playing consistently since s3 so I have immense knowledge on everything since then.

Comebacks: Always possible but just like dbd it relates to player skill, teamates and champ scaling. Yes you can make smart plays, but a few early game plays and some scaling will win you the game. Jungle being the most impactful since s2.

Top lane conversation: Did you really just say a top laner who has essentially done nothing for 10 min has agency because of a surrender vote? Is that a real statement? An entire dbd game played out besides Dull merchant games and you somehow gave agency to a league player with the same amount as someone afk in dbd for 10 min.

Champion/false bans: Yes when there are 170 champs in a game you need 10 bans, the game is 10X harder to balance and is much more balanced than dbd. 200 items and that many champs, I used to give riot so much **** but compared to dbd they do an infinitely better job. Again the false bans thing, not a thing simply. Especially nowadays.

Toxicity: I have probably 7K hours in league if I were to guess, peaking gm recently but I have not grinded ranked in many many seasons(pretty much irrelevant anyway because low elo is more toxic). Words hurt me far less than the gestures and cockiness of dbd players. Being a killer main for my first year tilted me far more than league had since 2014. Players have no ego or all the ego in the world in dbd. It's why you might of seen me spout about comp players in dbd because they generally(I have played against probably 8 and watched lilith play against a ton over 1500 hours) have bigger egos than faker(god) in league, which is completely absurd. I can't say I am top .5% of league players atm but I can look down on most dbd players easily. Also any minor chat offence in league gets you suspended, any consistent afk in league gets you suspended and a few games left in league gets you banned(all of those things lead to a ban real quick though).

Last paragraph: So a 15 min league game where you die once at 3 min and suffer for 12 more min is somehow less painful because you banned Yasuo? No I expect my teamates to suck it up in league where it's far more mentally detrimental and far harder and far more painful in the worst circumstance. Just like I'll take a 2 or 3 gen chase into a face camp as survivor in dbd.

If I queue top I ban fiora and there is still 5 more hard counter picks for whatever champ I play and then it comes down to pick order and jungle impact and whether or my lead even matters because enemy bot lane got 3 kills and the games over.

The only thing about league that is far less tilting is that they always will and always have had a patch every two weeks. But that doesn't matter when they cater to pro play and post an adc main as league balance designer.

So yeah, I like league and dbd is fun but your idea of league is wrong. There is no room for real toxicity in league, everything you do besides show mastery and emote is bannable but even those things I just mentioned can be muted.

The notion that league and league players are toxic is simply a remnant from 2012 to 2015 that has been literally dismembered at it's core. CS:GO voice chat is toxic but you literally don't have to experience a single bit of toxicity between leagues own parameters and any of the mute buttons.

They can fix the troll/give up issue with dbd. All they have to do is tie blood points per 2 min to every min not chased, hooked or slugged.

AFK for several games? Suspended.

They should just remove giving up on hook or suspend people that do so.

8K BP over a game 10 min game where you didn't get camped, tunneled or slugged? Suspended.

Regardless of what the people on this forum(game) think, implementing this(with probably a few changes) will lead to a healthier overall player base and game. Cutting out part of the domino effect that continues to lower game quality.

1) why would you unhook someone trying to hook quit? They're obviously not gonna be helpful or thankful after getting forced to play a match they didn't want to play.

2) it will never be bannable to use a feature. 4% is a feature and the skillchecks in struggle are a feature as well. Why would using a feature be bannable?

It's impossible to police it but deliberately dying on hook early throws games so badly. I don't think it should be reportable but it would be good if they removed the potential for abuse.

Good way to do it would be to remove the penalty for trying to self unhook and decrease the chance to successfully self unhook and/or decrease the number of attempts you're allowed.

Plus it'd make self unhook perks and offerings (aside from deliverance obvs) an actual viable choice instead of actively bad

If they don't want the penalties associated with doing a thing they shouldn't be doing, maybe don't do that thing. Killer players are always told they should play for the fun of others, that they should have empathy for the opposing team. Maybe Survivors that leave the game should have some empathy for their own team, suck up the D/C penalty and let a bot join.

No, it really won't lol.

You'd ban every bad player, most of Solo Q and all new players with your ideas.

Your experience sounds horrid and it's pretty clear the survivor in question was just an entitled, whiney prick, so I get the frustration. The game would be far better without that trash.

The problem arises that the people who disconnect, die on hook or sabotage their fellow survivors will always be there. I've heard some state this will drastically reduce if certain killers were changed, but I doubt that's true because the problem is the mentality, not the killer or whatever. These people kill themselves if they're knocked down early by Trapper!!

We could take away the struggle feature of the second stage. It should be actionable if people take clips of someone clearly killing themselves on hook. People need to report these to get rid of them and BHVR ought to be tough on this.

In the end though, the core problem isn't the balance or the game or anything like that: it's the mentality of the kiddies. No amount of game-changing will alter this sadly. Happens in most multiplayer games and I don't see it stopping.