I still haven't heard a good argument against basekit Kindred

Ingame-Commandos like "I go for the rescue", "Im in chase", "Ill stick on gen" etc. via short-messages would close the gab between Solo and SWF much better.

Kindred is not needed as Basekit.

DBDMobile has some nice little features which would improve the mothergame hugely.

The Killer aura part should be added to Kinship. That way solo players know the perk is in action

I'm neutral on the topic, but I did want to mention that killers having the ability to go Undetectable doesn't really do anything against Kindred. The Wraith needs to cloak again, the Pig needs to crouch, Ghostface can't immediately activate his Night Shroud without running the risk of being revealed by the hooked survivor, etc. That second or two where you can still see the killer's aura is more than enough to tell which direction they're going, which is really all you need if you're working on a generator and see the killer's coming your way next. Hypothetically, a stealthy killer could fake going one direction, go Undetectable, and then book it in another direction. But seeing as how there's no way to tell a survivor is running this perk as the killer - and just the fact that people probably don't think of Kindred when they consider perks to counteract - this would likely end up being a waste of time for a killer trying to actually make this work.

I'm sorry about that.

would it improve in any way if we nerfed pig again?

Not really....

But i think the nightmare has been overperforming as of late.

if you run Kindred in SoloQ you already know this won´t inspire your mates to safe you most of the time :)

I don't know if i would want it, with the new Surivor HUD they already added much information and people still don't get their priorities right ( of course the injured one on dead hook should go for the save...). Mates, that pay attention to the game progress and use their brains would be something, i would appreciate more.

On the other hand i fear the game gets stale and staler with more and more features integrated basekit, it means lesser element of surprise and variety overall, (most) people would run more meta cause there is no reason not to and you have all four slots available without sacrificing much.

And most important, if the goal is to close the gap between SWF and SoloQ they will also have to buff the Killerrooster accordingly to match the changed point of balance.

AWESOME

i want that ingame so badly

I thought I wouldn't, but then I realised that the survivor HUD only really helps you there if you can trust your teammates, which is the kind of game that you only somewhat needed Kindred for even before the HUD was added. It does nothing to help ensure that you can make decisions instead of guessing whenever your teammates aren't obviously sensible.

That's not just a game-feel thing, either. It's going to be very hard to balance survivor as a whole if even good and aware players are at risk of a game falling apart around them because they made the wrong guess about whether their teammate is actually doing the thing it would make sense for them to do. You may never be able to get solo queue teams to the same level of cohesion and coordination as a SWF, but you necessarily must make sure the survivors that want to try are able to react to poor play on their teammate's part in crucial moments like while a survivor is hooked. Obviously, there's some degree of poor play you're never going to be aware of without constant aura reading, and that'd obviously be too strong, but it's a pretty basic callout that we're discussing here and nothing too crazy.

To be more specific, basekit Kindred only covers for the basic callout of "I'm going to get the save", at least insofar as it lets you know when that's not the case. That's the kind of information the game has to be balanced around the survivors sharing, and the HUD only achieves that some of the time.

well, thats what the HUD is for to me, that is enough in most situations, i personally don t need "perfected" information, it makes the game stale for me

(And yes i play enough SoloQ to know the dangers of a crouching Meg :D)

to the last part according variety, one can hope for the best but i highly doubt this will be the outcome, seeing the variety developing after new meta combos are introduced like MFT and Hope

the killer left me and is going to main. checked a locker. passing tractor clockwise.

I don't even disagree that giving the killer aura for free is too much, but it's easy information to give on a mic.

Kindred should definitely be basekit because it isn't making SWF overpowered (They ALREADY have discord which is miles ahead of kindred anyway) and it'll be a helpful addition to solo-queue who do need it.

I will say something that may ruffle feathers but I feel many killer players aren't as good as they'd like to think; cause they'll stomp solo-queue players who have little to no information but then get bullied by 4-man SWFs with discord coms. Base kit Kindred is a helpful way to close the gap between Solo queue and SWF; SWF already have kindred and more (Kindred only show the killer it can't compare to discord where I can say you two stay on the gen, you come for the save/organizing).

I just don't see a downside of bringing it base kit; and killer players complaining are just ones who want to continue to stomp solo queue players and then cry about SWFs.

Just like I still havent read a good argument against pre nerfed corrupt intervention basekit..

While it'd be nice, I don't think it's terribly necessary after the portrait action update. If one person is on a gen and one person's being chased, it's fair to assume the last person is going for the rescue.