Is Nurse Broken?

i think she's unbeatable in pubs a capable nurse is just gonna destroy evey public lobby she's in.

some of them are on a +700 winstreaks she's a killier that's once mastered Survivors' input matters very little.

but then again only a few people in the game really got to that point with nurse and she's an unpopular killer in general so with her best addons nerfed and her m2 being special attack idk if she needs more nerfs.

but i do like your ideas they don't nerf her directly but add some counterplay from the survivor's side.

Yes she is and shes unfixable.

She allready has a very high skill ceiling what makes it for newcomers very hard to play. But her power makes her unbeatable if played correctly, and you kinda cannot fix that without destroying nurse.

I mean shes allready slower as a survivor, and if that cannot stop her from beeing the strongest char, what can?

Yes, Nurse is broken. I feel like if she has 1 blink tops, she would be fair. If you ignore walls, pallets and windows, then at least be skillful enough to compensate.

Also, it's not absolutely true that she's hard to master. For some people, yes. But I've seen people who've become insanely good with her in less than a week of practice.

1 blink Nurse basekit might just be the thing to make her balanced.

The only thing I can think of is that it would be a nice quality of life feature to show the remaining time for the chain blink window somewhere, either on the power gauge or on a progress bar in the bottom center of the screen. Experienced Nurses know the timing and wouldn't need it but it might help newer Nurse players.

Other than that, I think Plaid Flannel does a good enough job of helping new Nurse players learn blink distances and I actually would not want that indicator to be basekit since for an experienced Nurse the indicator can actually be distracting/get in the way.

Grossly overpowered and mostly unwinnable in soloq especially, but she is definitely fun to play as. It's fun teleporting around and getting those hits and things. My suggestion would be to not touch anymore of Nurse's abilities as it might ruin her gameplay too much, instead I'd offer to ADD some new counter play features instead!

My suggestion would be to take the old idea of being able to 'burn' the Nurse's power with flashlights, but in a new mechanic. The new mechanic would be Oil Lanterns that would randomly spawn around the map. When a Survivor interacts with an Oil Lantern, they turn it on and equip it as a special item (like the Emp, Video tape etc).

Once the Lantern is on, it begins burning its fuel source and will eventually run out after awhile. The Survivor can either place it back on the ground for someone else to pick up later, Or they can throw it. Activating the throw will throw the lantern in an arc from the angle of their camera exploding like a Molotov Cocktail. If the nurse is directly hit, it will burn her out of her power temporarily. If the Lantern is thrown on the ground somewhere, it creates a Fire area of effects for a limited time that can burn the Nurse out of her power if she hovers into it.

Throwing the lanterns at specific spots can create more counterplay and interesting mind games to counter nurse, (Ex:line of sight nurse around corner, throw lantern on ground and double back only for Nurse to teleport through wall into the fire). Hitting nurse directly with the Oil Lanterns would be more difficult but rewarding.

Want to also add that the explosion on the ground would be more subdued as it's not an actual bomb/moly cocktail. It would mostly be lots of light with very low flames, and bright shimmery smoke. This way it would look right for survivors not to be hurt by it even if they are standing on it, but the heat/light still bothers the nurse.

In conclusion I know they would never do something like this but seemed cool in my head.

Issue is the Nurse is very unique, and people want killers to be varied and unique.

Any attempts to change Nurse would run a strong risk of removing that uniqueness. You also have to think that because she's hard to play, her kill rate is way below average, and trying to balance around high level play could easily kill her off.

If you nerf her too much, then you have another Hillbilly, where she's too hard to play well compared to other killers, and not good enough to warrant even trying.

So its kinda a damned if you, damned if you don't.

As a follow up, if you want to consider something like that would make her easier to play at low level, while limiting her at higher levels, you could do something like this.... but I guarantee any high level Nurse will have to hold back their vomit reading it: -

• 4.4m/s base movement speed.
• Each blink has 15 charges.
• 1 blink that charges normally at current speed 5c/s (or 3s).
• 2nd blink (and 3rd blink) are charged at a rate 1 c/s (or 15 secs).
• Blink charging can be accelerated by absorbing the breathe of survivors at a rate of 2c/s (or 7.5s). (Similar to Oni, have vapour trails survivors leave when they run that the Nurse can absorb).
• Each blink charged after the first slows the Nurse by 0.25m/s.
• Fatigue from blinking decreased by 50%.
• For each successive blink, fatigue is increased by 25%.

The reason to go this route is at low level the Matchbox and Spasmodic Breathe add-ons make her much easier to play, because you can fall back on M1ing to finish the job if a survivor is giving you trouble with juking. This lowers her skill floor significantly...

However at high level, this would mean you have to make your blinks really count to get value, as you have to charge them by following survivors in chase before you can do it again, massively pulling down her skill ceiling as well making her worse overall. This makes her much more like a normal m1 killer ofc, so the loss of uniqueness is also substantial, and the overly punishing nature of missed blinks means you have to ask why would I play this over Blight?

That's exactly my point, to make her accessible to low level players, you almost have to kill exactly what makes Nurse unique and interesting.

The nature of her power means you have to crimp it pretty hard to nerf high level players by basically removing the ability to blink on a survivor and then follow up for free with a second blink (or a third). If you do that however, you then have to water down her kit with basic movement speed and m1 gameplay to allow her to still be able to operate without blinks available and make her easier for low level players. As a low level scrub, I play with Spasmodic Breathe cause it means I only have to accurate 1 time, then I finish my down as an M1 killer using bloodlust if I need, and don't have to fear getting constantly juked.

I'm sure with enough thought someone could get something that would work OK, but the unique point of the Nurse is she is slower is survivors, but to compensate can blink through walls... this blink is both her general movement, and her gap close for hits... if you remove that, she has to become a normal movement killer to compensate.

If you want to keep her identity as a character that moves slow and links everywhere, you need to find some way of making that easy to play but not overpowered... and it's one of those where having both is probably not possible... that's why she has her harsh fatigue effect and narrow windows to line up her blinks, because without those, it's really easy to land her stuff.

Agreed... I'm gonna be very interested in the next statistics drop from BHVR after the radical changes from 7.0.0 have had time to fester a while.

I'm hoping we get to see add-on results to get a chance to figure out why Blight's add-ons are still untouched 🤔

Nothing will happen before they nerf the Pig.

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