Deathslinger needs his old nerfs reverted now that Xeno is out

nah, leave slinger alone, he has gutted but then MfT killed him, let him rest in peace with his 4 mains. Xeno will be nerfed shortly so I would not even take time in making this argument as it will probably not be relevant in the next patch.

Though I think they are completely different killers, I would agree with making his TR 24 meters.

But reverting the ADS time? Please. God. No.

Maybe a small reload time buff as well.

While I do think xeno is stronger than slinger. They really do have a lot of differences, and we don't need to be treating every killer the same way. Let them be different.

Xeno has the build in counter mechanic in form of the turrets. Slinger can always use his power.

But while we are at it: can we revert pigs terror radius? Wesker is 4.6 and has a bigger radius than 32 and sadako also moves at 4.6 and has a smaller terror radius. See? Lots of weird stuff around. Honestly: I don't care about pigs terror radius.

Xenomorph is not a better slinger. They are not comparable killers.

Slinger has 18m range and always has his power active. Plus he has to reel in survivors for damage.

Xenomorph has 4.8m range, does not have his power always active for the trade off of being able to move quicker around the map. Once his tail attack hits, it does damage.

As for tunnels. They generally do spawn next to gens, but some maps have fixed chest spawns which can force control rooms to be much further away from the gen it's suppose to be protected. Maps like midwich can have control rooms on the other side of walls as well. Xenomorph can't just get broken out of his power then immediately travel to a control room, he has to path to a control room first. Freddy, Dredge, and Sadako all have fixed points they teleport to, but they can engage the teleport where ever they are on the map.

Xenomorph's range is 4.8m. Deathslinger's range is 18m.

i have been saying for long time. the changes they did to slinger were not good changes.

I think they're testing community with xeno by giving you old slinger gameplay at loops. chases with xeno are really thrilling. it is been while since a killer like that was released where killer power has technical skill-cap for survivor to do well and technical skill-cap matters unlike... pinhead for example.

Don't be surprised if Xeno gets deathslinger'd in the future. All you need to do is increase tail whip cast time from 0.2->0.45, runner mode tr increased from 24->32 and linger duration of tail strike reduced from 0.4->0.1. So as they say, Enjoy it while it lasts killer mains.

How is your idea of balance to bring back stuff that was broken and got fixed instead of fixing new stuff that is broken?? Quick scoping was zoning and free hits at larger distance, xeno has 5 m.... That's just not comparable, but both are problematic in the sense that you cannot dodge it. I would also disagree with turrets being useless... People just need to learn to place them properly.

With Monitor and abuse you had a 16 m heartbeat but could shoot from 18 m away, terror radius adjustment in volume does not help with that issue.

Quickshot has the issue of offering free zoning, bc you zoom quickly with 0 cool down or negative effect if you only do it shortly and you can basically force survivors to juke and if they don't you just get the free hit, it was just terrible, basically the same issue xeno currently has, but over shorter range here.

I don't have in mind what got changed about his addons, but I think reload were the strongest back then as well? Did they get changed too?

you were not locked into lose/lose situation. you put yourself in a lose/lose situation by over-respecting shots that did not need to be respected.

the deathslinger harpoon has small hitbox and a travel time before it reaches you as survivor. you were suppose to be doing a single wiggle to left or right similar to how AI plays vs ranged killers. there is no reason to wiggle between 14-18 meters of the shot at all because shot is possible to react to. When slinger approaches 9-13 meters, it becomes much harder to react to side-step his shot however he is 110% m/s so your suppose to very far ahead of the slinger. In cases where you are not, you should be using obstacles as walls to avoid wiggling to lose distance. eventually when you pass a certain tile-set corner or approach a pallet, this is where you should consider wiggling and baitshots because old deathslinger will try to take shots as you approach line of sight blocker.

in certain instances where deathslinger has clear line of sight, wiggling was tactically a good idea because if pallet is say 5 meters away from you but deathslinger is 13-14 meters away from you, you could wiggle in unpredictable pattern while approaching the pallet linearly to make shot more difficult for slinger. you lose distance for wiggling but due to proximity of the pallet, the distance loss will not matter once you reach the pallet.

@SimpleTora post is talking about xeno's tail strike has similar mind game potencial at dropped pallet as old quick scope deathslinger had. that is why he is questioning current slinger with current xeno runner mode at loops. due to perception you explained in your post, the deathslinger remains have long wind-up because survivor did not play correctly to counter the hold-w elements of deathslinger between loops. with xeno, the mind games are only at pallets as xeno tail strike is only 4.8 meters. not 18 meters like the slinger. Old deathslinger had greater depth in looping for survivor.

So because Xeno is op you think DS should be too. No thanks

I can tell you haven't played xenomorph if you think control rooms always spawn right next to every gen.

Midwich, Chemistry room gen spawns in library do you have to walk quite a bit and the turret warning means survivors will be long gone before you get to that gen.

The swamp map, the guaranteed chest spawns on the main building push the control room away from the main building.

If anything spawns in the closest spot to the gen, the control panel can spawn quite a bit away.

If you survivor mains took the time to actually play the killer you would realize there's a lot more going on them you think.

i am saying you can side-step slinger harpoon gun on reaction if you far away enough from him. the bots can do it on any range. The human player has to manipulate distances and use line of sight to outplay old slinger. It is sophisticated counter-play. don't worry, you don't have to do anything of that. you can just play vs easy mode slinger.

old slinger was more on survivor to outplay the killer. new slinger is more on survivor to make a series mistake in chase rather killer having any input in outcome on the match. he can still hit you at the vast majority of the tiles if you make poor plays.

Slinger does need them reverted. All the nerfs did was kill the killer and make another killer non viable for actual good games.

I gave 3 examples, but it can happen on any map since chests spawn before control panels and any chest that picks the closest spawn near a gen forces the control panel to spawn farther away. You would know this if you actually play the killer.

by anticipating shots? I see line of sight as means to mitigate risk. your perception of line of sight blockers is counter the killer power entirely. "hit you eventually part" will be too slow for 5 generators of the game.

there is always going some forms of blatant risk taking in running forward at very particular points where finding LOS blocking is not present. at most, pulling the gun makes you wiggle little bit to left or right. sure you lose a little bit of distance... like 5% m/s for 2-3 seconds but your still mostly running forward. there is no reason to sway very hard because the gun harpoon hitbox is not very big. If you are swaying very hard, it is because you don't care to lose a lot of distance because your really close to pallets or tile-set line of sight blockers. distance loss is less meaningful when your further away from the killer because once you lose line of sight, you get temporary safe-zones vs range.

flicking shot..... I am going reword this to something a little bit less FPS like. I will call it shot leading. shot leading is when you have a projectile weapon and you shoot where opponent is moving to rather then where the player model is on the screen. the whole idea is that your opponent wants to side-step shot but your anticipating the shot so you shoot where you think the opponent will side-step such that he side-steps into the projectile instead of dodging the projectile. it is counter-tactic to wiggling.

your not wrong that it is a guessing game. there is some points of lose/lose as you say but the mini-game in itself is to attempt to avoid the so called lose/lose.

he still loses at full potential.

deathslinger could pressure multiple survivors if deathslinger won every single 1vs1 chase extremely fast in relationship to generator speed but that was extremely hard to do because even 2-3 shots missed or sloppy play could make him lose very quickly. that is butterfly effect of dbd. you had way greater odds as survivor to outplay his 1vs1 even little bit then he had to succeed perfect game. As a result, he was balanced.