"B-but you need to stay injured for MFT value!"

really? you want to nerf MFT but not perks from killers? you only play killer i gather.

Actually been playing for a couple years now. I know GOJ is a crap shoot on both sides. But look at autohaven another example of how crap the layouts are. Unsafe pallet into unsafe pallet into open striaght wall loop with a window in the middle and a hole in a short section just for a pallet.

Killers break the door on main at the gas station that loop becomes pointless too. You go in the garage you're trapped. You use the pallet inside the store you're trapped.

More and more maps are headed that direction. Do you want to even talk about shelter woods or coldwind farm?

And you're also talking like I play swf all day. I play solo 90% of the time. I'm lucky if I can find a damn pallet a random hasn't wasted. GOJ might be strong in some cases but if it's a killer that has range like nemesis, huntress or xeno you're screwed because of the vault bug.

Ok then make nowhere to hide only work at the generator you kick. Now killers can't abuse it with high mobility killers like nurse, demo, blight, xeno, freddy or onryo

Ok

Killers can stack pwyf, and noed so hows that different?

Also pwyf stacks with bloodlust and gives you 15% at max stacks. Add that to bloodlust and a 115 killer becomes a 145.

and it only quoted half of what I said smh

Did... did they expect a different response? Maybe some hesitation or push back?

Picking on my grammar, sentence structure, spelling or capitalization is not really helpful nor does it make you the better person. You understood my comment and went this route... tsk tsk... Okay you're the better person and the best here...

im not ignoring anything. the premise of nerfing a strong perk from survivors but not from killers is not okay. there should always be a balance to things. they way things are now with DBD killers are just getting stronger and stronger and survivors are just getting slower and slower.

im not a pro player and im not even godly survivor i can say i at least play decently but even i can feel the gap just widening between killers and survivors.

Why? Let's ignore everything else and just focus on this premise of yours for now.

To nerf a strong survivor nerf, you also must nerf a strong killer perk. That is what you are saying. I wanna challenge that.

Little sidenote... Is the reverse also true?

Back on track. Let's assume we are on a perfect balance. Nothing is too strong or too weak. Just perfection.

Then, we get an update that makes just one change, and that change makes one survivor perk insanely overpowered. Just borderline game breaking. Nothing else is affected.

So following your premise, what do we do to address this situation? Do we just pick a random killer perk that by definition is perfectly balanced and nerf it aswell?

Or do we go against your premise and only nerf the survivor perk? Which would show your premise is wrong?

Or a third option I didn't think of? (Reverting the update would be the same as nerfing the perk. Just gonna make that clear. And you gotta address it in 1 update)

That is the challenge I give you.

After you answer this. I'll address the rest of your comment.

what you said is sound but you also have to consider the state of the game and what the nerf or buff entails.

like with what you said if a perk was created, and it was game breaking then why would devs even put it in if it meant that players either killer or survivor would not find this fun.

is it too much to ask that if one thing is nerfed shouldn't there be at least some semblance of balance? im not as tunnel visioned as you try and make me out to be.

so nerfing a perk from survivors should also mean nerfing a perk thats on killer isnt really what my statement/premise was about. from the recent patches/updates it has always been the survivors that get the short end of the stick.

so i guess for you my opinion does not matter as all you want to do is reject or invalidate my comment of wanting at least balance.

If this is how the community is for DBD then so be it.

here it is I AM WRONG AND YOU ARE RIGHT... let's go and nerf MFT heck lets remove all speed boost perks from survivors and maintain the speed boost perks for killers.. i can just imagine all the fun that survivor mains will have.

Please just answer what I asked. It's just a hypothetical. It doesn't bite.

All it does, in this case, is show that you don't need to talk about "dogs" when someone mentions "cats". Besides whatever they may have in common.

Also, xeno literally got nerfed in this very patch.

Also this "Reviewed the Remote Flame Turret placement logic to allow for more flexibility when deploying them" is a direct buff to survivors

Adrenaline got fixed...

And you say "Nothing but nerfs for survivors"?

All this tells me is that you don't argue in good faith

never put your opinion down. I said nerfing killer perks is not relevant to the conversation about nerfing mft. it's an entirely different subject that you have no reason to bring into the conversation. unless you do have some reason that would link these subjects, but you gave none.

which is equivalent to someone having a conversation about how to take care of a cat, what they eat, what kind of bed is ideal and all that... and someone comes in saying "you also must talk about how to take care of a dog". which is what I tried to get accross before.

they decreased their movement speed when xeno miss the tail attack. it's a nerf. literally a nerf. you can say it made it balanced, but it was a nerf.

adrenaline was indeed a fix. which is also something that isn't a nerf. when your argument is "everything is nerfs" I do not need to only point to buffs to show that you are wrong.

I compared killer perks to dogs and survivors perks to cats. just the first topic a and topic b that kinda overlap with each other that came up. never compared you to either of these animals.

Since when is playing with one health state not a risk? It’s risky even if you’re facing a bad killer.

hiya random person idk. i would like to point out hook grabs were removed without any balance buff for killer or nerf for survivors.

and ya i know bla bla camping. but if they removed windows from the game and didn't replace them would that not be a nerf?

Are you complaining about a mechanic that is in the game because map design for killer is still objectively unfair?

Your opinion does matter when your opinion is what is asked for. But then you would also need to base it on something, if you want to contribute to an argument. That's not what you did and that's why your opinion is getting dismissed.

Imagine, if I called for survivor nerfs and said: "In my opinion survivors should only move at 80% of their current movement speed, gens should be blocked for 3 minutes at the start of the trial and windows should permanently block after 1 vault." You would rightfully point out that this is ridiculous and that I would have to make an actual argument and explain how this opinion was formed for it to add anything worthwhile.

So, one of the arguments for years to about dead hard was that 'being injured isn't risk'.

While I'm glad to hear that attitude might actually be changing, it really feels that whether being injured is 'risky' just depends on whether it involves nerfing the most hated flavor of the month.