Can We Enforce Vanilla Gameplay?
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I actually have a gaming chair, but it kinda falls apart. I also heave a headset which is not the best anymore but it is almost a necessity if you have pet birds like me.
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I'm actually thinking everyone's setup is completely unique! 😁
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True.
If I think about the half broken laptop my friend uses...
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If you find it unfair, you can simply turn off crossplay. Filtering programs are explicitly allowed by the anti cheat and the developer. Arm chair devs on the forums don't decide what's cheating, the actual devs do. If they say it's not cheating, it's not cheating because they make the rules, not you.
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Devs have the option to "opt out" of nVidia services and also they can detect if you are using reShade and make it so the game doesn't start if you have it enabled.
I want them to add a few filter presets to the game for everyone to use.
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People will just use the nvidia control panel, you literally cannot implement anything to stop people doing it and they will continue to do it.
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Default dbd is too dark. I have no desire to strain my eyes just because someone else wants a “fair game” lol.
Implementing this would encourage more people to play blendettes and crouch in tall grass waiting for hatch and wasting everyone’s time.
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Either that or just their monitor/TV settings.
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True I did not think of that, in that case it is very literally impossible to stop.
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In the end it is just fair that people adjust brightness and what not to their own liking, it is a feature every game should have and it is also kind of stupid to think you should be able to hide in plain sight, just because your outfit is dark and you re hiding in a dark corner, if you are in line of sight you should be visible fairly easily. It is ridiculous that people need to go such a long way to get what most reasonable games already have: Basic options to adjust the game to your liking...
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Well, they said the same exact thing about stretch res and looks like they are still playing the game. That was a lie and was a complete load of crap. We can apply the same things to this ridiculous logic. I have astigmatism in my eyes, but that's not going to make me all the sudden cheat, I'm going to have to learn to get around that because I'm not going to hurt the experience for others. Like I said play against bots or even just use the tutorial, but as for the live service portion of the game where players deserve a fair experience maybe just don't play it.
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You didn't read the post, it is this way for protection for players that play this game legit. If a survivor is trying to avoid a tunneling killer then the game in it's vanilla state will force the killer have to focus as much as possible meaning that you could lose the survivor if you are not paying attention closely, then the music on top of the chase makes it even more harder to pay attention, this is protection for the survivor being tunneled. You use filters or reshade and file manipulation you are under minding that system which will make the trial one sided in your favor. If you are gaining an advantage over someone else you are cheating since DBD can easily become one sided depending on what happens in the trial. "I have no desire to strain my eyes". Absolutely disgusting.
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I mean sure, but what defines cheats? You could say cheating is not playing by the rules, but the rules of the game don't state that you are not allowed to use software to give you a crosshair on huntress that is even whitelisted by the anti cheat Programm and apparently explicitly allowed by the devs. Same thing for changing how your game looks via Programms that are also not banned, or even that integral to your graphics drivers that it would be basically impossible to ban them, or for hardware that gives you a crosshair the in the same way. So the point is much more what do you even define as cheating? If agree on the definition of cheating as behavior that is explicitly forbidden by the rules than none of that is cheating. Basically in every game be it online or offline, boardgames and what not cheating means you are not playing along with the rules, and whereas board games have rules that usually can only get changed if players agree on it for their match or not at all if you are playing more serious or in a tournament, in dbd the rules can change, since it is a live service, so the developers decide what is allowed and what not, so you can have your definition for what cheating is, but this does not change what the word means in general as well as in this game especially, the rules of the game are made by the devs and therefore so is what is not allowed to do and what is considered cheating, and what is explicitly allowed by them is per definition not cheating, no matter what you think about that topic.
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If you are only doing stuff that is whitelisted by EAC or explicitly allowed by the devs then you are by definition not cheating... It is really not that hard. Does not matter if you gain and advantage or not, just because something is not necessarily fair for the other side does not make it cheating. Also as far as I am aware those filters basically help both sides since they also make it easier for the survivors to see the killers red stain.
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Maybe YOU should play something else then if YOU can't deal with it that some people don't want to suffer just to play a game they love. If you want to further strain your eyes with your astigmatism, do it. It s your sight or life that is ruined by this, not mine.
A cheater is someone who does not follow the rules. Using filters or modification of brightness/saturation or contrast is NOT AGAINST THE RULES as of this date. So anyone who is playing the game using this is NOT A CHEATER!
Maybe instead of crying about it, you should ask the Devs to implement these adjustments to the game so that everyone can use it the same way.
And I tell you again (something you see to ignore): Your monitor or TV has options where you can do similar stuff to the filters from your GPU driver or reShade. Since there is no way to ban the use of monitors (almost all of them can do this btw, even the really old ones), they won't ban it.
Deal with it.
Edit: monitor settings so you see I am not joking. My monitor is almost 10 years old.
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Stretched Res had nothing to do with accessibility and was banned for a reason. As long as the devs are fine with filters they're not cheating.
Also if compensating for vision issues is cheating I hope you're not wearing glasses for your astigmatism, pretty sure that's "playing at an advantage" by your definition. (And if you don't wear glasses and just "suck it up" : buy some, struggling when you don't have to is silly)
Finally and for the last time: compensating for a disadvantage doesn't ruin anyone's experience, it's just levelling the playing grounds. Do you also believe people with glasses see better than people who don't need them ? Or you're not actually stupid but just so entitled you're ableist ?
In any case im supposed to play nice so bye I'll think about you if download filters again
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Ppl can change their TV settings if they want
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that is not what this post is about. The post is about Reshade and Filters. The main cheating going onto mainly on survivor mains is that If you go into your RGB settings, You can make your Red color have massive red opacity. Why is this big deal?
Well, you see, everything related to tracking is red. If you change opacity color of Red into be stronger on your Monitor, It makes killer red glow stronger. This is terrible for m1 killers because... m1 killers all have red glow. If you can see red glow clearly, you gain wall-hacks towards killer. normally red glow opacity for dbd is faded out. you can see red glow but red glow is faint. With max red glow, you can see bright red which removes lots of mindgames.
Hens talks about this. it is huge problem especially for survivors at top-level that abuse "subtle-cheats" to gain an unfair advantage.
Here's an example of what it looks like in the video.
you see. the red glow does not look normal. It is so red that you can see people across walls. Normally red glow is faded out on very ends. This is what it is like for survivor.
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This is also a problem for killer because when survivors are injured, you have blood marks. With this Reshade filter, you can see blood on the floor so clearly that you don't need bloodhound as a perk. you get free base-kit bloodhound. It also makes scratchmark's impossible miss because they're also brighter due to red color.
Stretch Res and Reshade red filters have been in the game for long time. both them were subtle cheats. they give you unfair advantage over your opponent. While the problem is bigger on survivor side, it does give unfair advantage for killer side in regards scratch mark tracking and bloodhound tracking which are suppose to be perks that you equip.
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I'm going to ignore the issue of whether it's cheating or not and focus on the far more practical problem with this suggestion; how would you enforce it?
Filters like reshade or nvidia freestyle don't modify the game's files at all. I guess dbd could scan your computer to see if you have reshade running at all, but that would turn dbd into spyware. Now, you can argue "I don't care, the sanctity of the game matters more than any potential security concerns" and, I mean, fine, I guess, but that means that DBD would have to be taken out of certain markets. In japan for example, it's straight up illegal to have a program scan the user's files, that's why parsers in FFXIV for example, can never be blocked, so in order for this idea to work, you'd have to take DBD out of circulation in a couple of countries. Is the sanctity of the game worth that?
Okay, so let's say DBD now scans the user's computer every time it runs to make sure reshade isn't running, great. What if the user just changes the gamma on their monitor to make the game brighter? How would DBD account for that? Should the game be able to hijack their hardware settings?
Even if you ignore the, let's call them "moral" questions that come with using or not using a filter, that doesn't change the fact that enforcing "vanilla" gameplay just isn't practical.
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Back then, I had a 3 man swf Claudette in dark cosmetics with No Mither who brought me to Dead Dawg, crouched in the grass and threw pebbles in the random spots of the map without doing gens. I went after the random who was doing gens and got him out of the game, but the 3 Claudettes refused to do gens and continued crouching in the grass. I eventually managed to find them after 20+ minutes because I was playing Nemesis and my zombies located them.
So tell me, if vanilla dbd was forced and Killers had to go up against builds like this, is this what DBD is supposed to be? No Chases, just crouching in grass and refusing to do the objective/interact with the Killer. Is this the type of game that would make DBD exciting and worth playing?
I beg to differ
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Yeah the discussion kinda stopped being about that when OP said "I personally think that if this is an accessibility issue just stick to single player games" and decided to argue that using filters to compensate for vision issues is still "gaining an advantage" and disabled people should just not play because it's "unfair" to them.
As for the point you're making I agree it's a problem but as I said in my first reply on this discussion I don't think BHVR can do much about this because monitors now have built in filters and options.
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They are not subtle cheats though, because by definition cheats are against the rules, and re shade has been allowed/whitelisted by the rules and stretched res has been gotten rid of in the options when the devs decided they didnt want it anymore... Soooo? Also if both sides use re shade it is fine again isn't it? Is it also cheating by that definition to play on low graphics because you see less grass and trappers traps better by that?
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I mean that is a reportable behavior ^^ I am against the vanilla thing, but this cannot be brought up as a reason for re shade and what not.
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low graphic is setting in the game. Seeing perfect red glow is not a setting in the game. The killer gaining free bloodhound with global scratch marks is also not in the game. Your not suppose to see scratch marks from 30+ meters in the default game.
The problem is that I do not know what they could do to fix this type of cheating. the problem is greater on survivor side because a lot of m1 killer rely on mindgames and buffing red glow diminishes effectiveness of any mindgame. The only thing I could of think is removing red glow because it is outdated mechanic. Chucky has this new take on red glow in PTB with killer scratch marks but that current iteration is too strong if it was given to say trapper.
For killer, it removes any stealth-juking in the game. It is not super big deal because m1 looping is a thing. where it becomes a problem is like Nurse with filters. If you ever wondered why some nurses perfectly track you when your injured after fatique, these filters might be a reason. no clear cut solution on killer end.
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It is a base function with modern grahics cards as well as monitors in general? It is build in in basically every system. It is not cheating in the first place if the devs themselves say it is not bannable... How hard is this to understand?
Nurse perfectly tracks you after fatigue because she has ears and can hear you moaning...
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Just here to post the code of conduct to support OP, it is definitely cheating according to the rules.
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stretch res was also base-feature. it provided unfair advantage. red filters are the same problem.
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This game looks like complete garbage vanilla.
Yes, making scratchmarks bright pink and everything else grey is advantageous. But I'm fine with that being a thing so the game isn't vomit inducing.
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OK then, but one thing can be outlawed by the devs or at least removed from settings and the other one cannot... So even if that is the case it does not matter as you cannot forbid filters or make them unable to use.
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just ban everyone using them, and modifying the game files in any way. that includes portrait packs.
the fact that almost every streamer does this and shows it off should quickly net them a ban. that's rule # 1 in every single game known to man (DO NOT MODIFY THE GAME FILES) and yet you have influencers showing off that they....modify the game files and use filters??????
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Modifying the game files can be used to add options that are already in the game but not in the menu, also there are filters that only apply on the stream so it is better to watch for the viewers, but does not change for the player...
Also you cannot ban people for using filters that are integrated in monitor or graphics card program... So what even is your suggestion?
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If you record yourself cheating get banned.
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OK but it is not cheating? So what is your point? The devs already stated it is not cheating...
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If you modify your game files in any way per TOS its cheating. Just because they gave up because its rampant doesn't suddenly mean its not cheating. If they man up and ban people for doing it, they'll stop.
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Ehm... You do realise that if they state something to be allowed, then the tos does not really matter? So by definition it is not cheating... And filters don't even mod the game files, so what is your point there?
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you do realize that TOS is legally binding right and "he said so bro" is not....right?
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You do realise that contracts can have specific parts which can be changed onesided? Especially stuff like xy is forbidden? Don't tell me how the law works, I studied it for 10 years xD
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As for the whitelisted programms, some crosshair programs and for example re-shade are white listed by EAC, therefore they are allowed as stated here.
If you can provide me the specific part of the eula that states that other rules that are not mentioned in the same document do not apply unless condition xy then we can talk, but otherwise just take the L.
So this would even authorize you to for example modify the game files, if they stated it...
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I cannot believe you are actually trying to defend turning the whole screen grey but the survivors and killer bright red so you can see them across the map. Such wild tomfoolerly.
Also you do know things can fall off the whitelist instantly right? TOS is what you should follow.
Just don't cheat, its not hard.
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Ok so you went from a legal standpoint to a moral one? I am only defending the use since it is allowed... And you could just agree that you are in the wrong here from that standpoint.
Sure, but they still stated that they will not ban people for using filters? So even if it changes from whitelisted you still have that statement that is somewhat binding.
What is apparently hard for you is to understand what cheating actually is, and using filters is by definition not cheating, since it is allowed in the rules... So either find yourself some better arguments or accept that you are just not right in this specific point.
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For how many players that have been defending cheating it's apparent that at this point they will have to make you put in your legit phone number apart of the EULA to prevent modification and cheating. It's an unpopular decision but this should protect it's playerbase that plays FAIR and don't CHEAT.
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Once again, what is cheating? Because filters are white listed and not cheating...
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How do you ban this if your monitor or GPU driver can do similar stuff? You can't ban the use of hardware. And detecting if Reshade, Nvidia or AMD Adrenaline runs in the background would turn dbd into Spyware like @Zenislev said. No way they do this.
Not only can you see traps better but everything is brighter too because shadows have less quality. You really noticed that in the main room on GoJ before they fixed it. There was a corner right of the window where you could hide in complete darkness if the killer had the game on high or ultra.
What do custom icons do, that you think people need to get banned for them? Are you on console and just envious that you can't do it? They literally do nothing.
And the Devs have said multiple times that using them is OK because they don't change anything important besides some minor UI stuff. I would be in favour to have an in-game workshop like this so that console players could use them too.
Filters like those of AMD Adrenaline Edition DO NOT CHANGE game files. They change how your whole screen looks once you boot a certain game. Like if you change your monitor settings every time you play. TV's can do it too btw. Even those big ones which still have the funny colorful cables from over 20 years ago.
How would you differentiate an OBS filter for the viewers of the stream from a filter applied to the game?
Finally. Thanks.
Morals=/=legal issue.
I think any type of toxicity is amoral, but it is part of the game whether I like it or not. I can restrict myself to not to be toxic to others, but then I have to accept that others might not follow my own rules. Same goes for filters. You can be against them and not using them, but as they are allowed (whitelisted) by the devs, you have to accept that some people might use them.
I also think those comp red filters are ridiculous and unfair, but as it is allowed I have to accept that people use it. And for people like me who have problems seeing anything remote on Autoheaven or other maps and therefore use slight filters to make up for it (I have asked other players and they don't have the problem, so it's my vision) are not cheating in any way. We just don't want to have a disadvantage against normal players who don't have the problem.
If something like filters falls off the Whitelist, I guess BHVR would put a big announcement everywhere before they actually start banning people. Everything else would not be fair to the consumers.
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that is exact problem. you cannot ban anything but you get advantages for using filters.
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This is something you can't fix. If you want it or not. So you need to deal with this like everyone else.
The Devs also can't just say that some stuff is allowed and some isn't. Where do they draw the line?
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