The Trickster Feedback

Maybe I'll quit Trickster... Revert is the only way But BHVR don't think so....Very weak and boring play. I really loved this game...Just sad.

If you don't want to revert...you, BHVR have to touch below things.

1. Make laceration decay long and give knives rate 4-5knives per 1s

You made him 16/44 knives, so it's so hard to make people hurt. Please consider this. I know he is 4.6 but he is 3.86 when he use blade. He is not still stronger than other killers.

2. Change add-ons

Most his add-ons are related to main event. But...I think it makes playing him boring. Many players need to feel fun during playing dbd. His users are same. Same united add-on function is ferrible. Please give users various choice when playing Trickster.

Bhvr is making 4.6 too much of a nerf indulgence.

Improved the gameplay playing into trickster by a large degree, more skill expression on both sides so I think it was a good change.

This is the opinion of a controller player.

It's a machine translation.

I would like it to be like when throwing knives, the rate of fire starts at the maximum rate of fire, and when you throw a certain number of times (about 4?), the rate of fire slows down.

Why was Trickster so weak? This is because the rate of fire increases little by little, so a DBD with lots of shielding cannot reach a high rate of fire, and it takes a lot of time to deal damage.

Why was the Trickster so strong in camps and empty areas? This is because it is the killer with the fastest attack speed when the rate of fire is maximized.

In order to make the Trickster stronger, it is essential to set the rate of fire to the maximum speed from the beginning.

He was very, very good at PTB.

Rather than gradually increasing speed, it starts at maximum, increasing instantaneous attack power, and giving a reprieve by not being able to sustain it. By making it possible to resume throwing at maximum rate of fire after waiting for about 0.5 seconds, there will be almost no penalty for burst shots and tap shots.

Also, as a response to the low ammo count for lacerations, the knife required for the main event will be reloaded when time runs out without using the main event.

This would be a great skill expression, as it can be used to replenish in situations where the main event is not needed, and improves the ability of players who can perform high hit rates to continue fighting.

In response to the above proposal, we will also modify the add-on.

・Death Throes Compilation: Reload knives after using main event (8)

・Fiz-Spin Soda: Increases the number of specified knives by 2 before rate of fire decreases

・Ji-Woon's Autograph: Increases the number of specified knives by 1 before rate of fire decreases

thank you🙂

This text was written with the help of a translator, so do not judge too much 🫠

I can identify several problems with the new trickster, but I will highlight the speed of throwing knives as the main one. It's terribly slow, but at the same time, how does the trickster play? You catch the survivors by mistake and throw a couple of knives, while changing the speed to 4.6 almost does not help in this action.

Combo mechanics need to be reworked (survivors are too easy to shoot down combos just by turning slightly to the side). My suggestion: you need to tie the combo only to time and remove the misses in this case, it will give you more than 1-1.5 seconds like now.

Are they not suppose to revert his-fire rate or something? at least bvhr fixed his add-on's by buffing one of his add-on's. now the only problem is base-kit fire-rate.

This exactly wont be enough.

You basically have to M1 a survivor to get that down unless they run into the open with no obstacles in the way, the blades are super easy to dodge. The mind should always be, why should i play this killer over another one that can do more? There is no incentive to Trickster because he is D Tier on the list with these changes. I could pick legion and injure 4 survivors in one go and finish the job with M1. Rework trickster to be in line with other average tier killers atleast

So, i cheked it out, but these changes slightly will have an impact on trickster. Cuz u still need to throw 16 blades. And his fire rate still slow.

Main event is fine.

But if u want to use blades, u need 4,8 sec to down a survivor.

Like it was before this update with memento blades addon.

U just added one in base, instead of fixing his fire rate 3 to 4 blades per second that was before ptb.

He feels better to play now, but its still feels kinda wierd.

I hope u change his base fire rate once more, and no one gets upset about it, cuz i hate when i need to do math, to prove my point.

Hey, peeping back into this thread again. I must say I'm really disappointed in the current patch, as 8 Knife Meter is still a thing.

I'm sorry, but 8-Knife trickster is not fun, was never fun, and will NEVER be fun or positive for the character. His Laceration meter should have remained at 6 or even been lowered to 5 if you wanted. Increasing throw rate by a negligible amount doesn't account for all the extra ammo wasted, the further decrease of Main Event's situational viability, and the amount of buffs required to make an 8-Knife Trickster strong.

I don't think it's a good direction for the character, I would've happily taken 6-Knife trickster with the 3kps throw rate and 10s decay time, as it still would've been pretty strong without needing to feel overbearing with the use of add-ons and Main Event. I don't see any possible way to balance 8 Knife Trickster that isn't incredibly annoying for one side. On PTB it was incredibly annoying for Survivors, as the nerfed meter was compensated heavily with throwing speed buffs nobody wanted. The Live release it was incredibly annoying for killers, as the patch has a ton of nerfs, and not a single solid buff to compensate aside from being 4.6m/s.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE reconsider some of these changes and try just going back to 6-Knife. I will be able to live with the previous 0.33s windup, just please stop trying to make 8-Knife work. It really just doesn't.

I really like the new changes. Trickster's fire rate is much faster than what it was before, most notably in Main Event. I do wish you guys fix the animation when using Memento Blades as the animation is desynced after a while.

BHVR, Trickster feels good.

I played Trickster yesterday, and it was a night and day difference. He feels better than PTB Trickster, and to me, feels better than 4.4 Trickster overall. If you think about not “having your cake and eating it to”. There are things that are arguably better about 4.4 Trickster and there are arguably better things about this Trickster, but no one here is going to say that this current Trickster is not better than previous update. So Sincerely, thank you for the patch.

Now, I don’t like using an add-on to get 4.4 Trickster’s Main event value back, but I am starting to understand the trade-offs with a 4.6 Trickster. You can't have everything all at once. You already confirmed you are not moving away from 4.6, so its more about understanding what you can have from 4.4 Trickster with a 4.6 Trickster basekit, without killing many playstyles at the same time. But the laceration meter, thank you sincerely for reverting that. It was the biggest problem and makes a huge difference. I can now play Trickster without being punished severely for my play style. I also feel like this Trickster feels better to me, because with 4.4 Trickster…even if you played well, he felt like he was more at the mercy of randomness, when trying to win. Albeit rng, meta perks, guessing whether you were facing swfs, or exploits in maps. It just feels like this current Trickster feels less at the mercy of randomness. Again I liked 4.4 Trickster, especially his Main Event, but I can appreciate this Trickster and where the skill expression might be now instead. Maybe doing more with combo score and extending Main Event through accuracy. IDK. But This Trickster does feel good. I actually feel like my hours and prestige actually reflect, in the outcome of the game when I play well.

Trickster's power now feels like a threat again, where as in the previous update, survivors could and would swarm towards me during Main Event, and ignore it with enough body blocking, and not even for objective purposes, just because they could and knew it. Now survivors have to avoid my power (Imagine!). They have to play smarter and cannot abuse the nerf of the previous update. That doesn’t mean he is OP. Chaining tiles together, running through LOS blockers, second chance/endurance/haste perks, and stealth/gen rushing are still very viable against this Trickster.

I am also going to back up @endzej_ on this…I think you should go back to your original idea of 5% with Memento blades rather than 10%. Unless leaving it that way was on purpose and you are going for that...uh maybe not a common brown add on then. I just don’t want a repeat of PTB Trickster fiasco, because people are already making click-bait videos calling Trickster “OP, Broken” because of Memento Blades and Stop Watch combo. It is a really fun addon (I have other preferred addons though) and it makes shooting really fun when you feel in the mood to use it. I don't think its necessary at 10% to use Trickster effectively. Again looking at him overall, and being 4.6. It does end chases much more quickly, but I can see how it can be oppressive in a way that triggers survivors. Especially when combined with Stop Watch. I would rather not have fun with those add-ons at their current numbers or rarity, than keeping it as is and this results in misinformation and Trickster being accused of being overall OP. So please take a look at the addons that @endzej_ _ mentioned. Adjusting the numbers a bit would go a long way. Because let's face it, people dont really know anything about Trickster unless they play him ENOUGH and they will take one "broken" thing and make it about the character overall.

Again,

Just know that survivors will complain about this killer till the end of days, and even among Trickster mains we all play differently, which is why he is so fun. We might not all agree on every detail, but we can all sleep better now, because the previous update Trickster was abysmal. Thank you again for making it a priority to adjust Trickster, especially with an upcoming event. Appreciate all your hard work.

Actually on second thought...NVM.

I think the basic usability of Trickster has improved a lot, and it has become a fun killer to use.

However, there are some concerns.

Trickster's current strength is (although not as strong as it was in 4.7.1) depends too much on the add-on "Memento Blades", and there isn't much fun in choosing various add-ons on your own.

The same can be said for other killers, but if there is a powerful add-on despite its low rarity, many people will use that add-on, resulting in a lack of variety in the game experience. So I think that kind of games-balance needs to be reworked.

Perhaps the simplest solution would be to decrease the effect of Memento Blades to +5% instead of +10%, but many people would be unhappy with such a nerf.

Therefore, I think another good solution would be to raise the rarity of the add-on with the effect of "Throw Rate +10%" to Very Rare or higher and make it difficult to use frequently. In short, it means exchanging the effects of "existing Very Rare or higher add-on" and "Memento Blades" with each other.

The effect "Throw Rate +10%" would be appropriate for an add-on of Very Rare or higher.

I think the appropriate add-on to exchange effects with Memento Blades instead is "Edge of Revival Album", which has effects for beginners despite being very rare add-on. However, I think its rarity could be raised to Uncommon or Rare instead of Common.

By combining any two of "Memento Blades", "Waiting For You Watch", and "Lucky Blade", you can sustain the Main Event until the Survivors are down in various situations. It's very fun, but I think it's too powerful for a less than Very Rare add-on.

Survivors can take a modest safety measure against the Trickster's Main Event by entering the lockers, but even if the survivor leaves the lockers after that, in most cases they will receive damage at least once immediately. This point is similar to Cannibal's Chainsaw at first glance, but Cannibal's Chainsaw is often used on healthy survivors, while the Main Event is often used on injured survivors, so there is often no point in survivors entering lockers.

Even without the "Head On" perk, I think the defensive measure of entering a lockers should be a little more practical. Therefore, during the cooldown after Trickster's Main Event, it might be a good to some way to weaken him a little, such as by making him not only unable to throw knives also unable to swing bat.

I also think it would be a good to make the survivor's Laceration Meter decay quickly while the survivor is in the lockers.

I don't think there is a wide variety of strategies that this killer can take. (One of the reasons is that there are some perks whose value drops significantly due to lullaby.) If there were more unique add-ons that would allow each player to strategy in a variety of ways, I think it would become a killer that more people could enjoy for a long time.

For example the ones listed below.

- Add-on that increases the benefit of "hitting survivors at a long distance with a knife" more practical

- Add-on that increases the benefit of "hitting survivors that a certain amount of Laceration Meter with a bat"

- Add-on that increases the benefit of "hitting survivors with a knife when there are only a few knives remaining (less than 8)"

- Add-on that makes Trickster no longer has lullaby, and increases the range in which he can hear sounds such as generator-repairing noises

thanks for the new trickster type:

proxy camping, taking the uhooker down and after that you just spam main event to down the unhooked person too, evrything within 8 seconds. Had this type of trickster now multiple times. Really fun to go against. Main event should be earned and not giftet for free while camping a hook

Everyone has different ways of using add-ons, so I'd like you to hear this as my personal opinion. If this content is implemented, ・Ji-Woon's Autograph ・Lucky Blade ・Fizz-Spin Soda ・Cut Thru U Single I feel like I don't use it much.

I don't really use combo add-ons, so I don't really care about them.

Penetration addons are pretty much useless for survivors where I live.

They are working so hard to run the generator that they don't stick to other people's backs and cover for them in the first place.