Only killers should be punished for forcing their objectives?

There are four survivors and one killer. So any complaining off the bat is going to be slanted towards favoring survivors, there are simply more of them. And the devs will cater to that side because there are more of them and it’s easier to sell them cosmetics.

Information lets you chew through map resources (pallets) faster by engaging in more chases creating deadzones more quickly to make up for a lack of mobility/chase. I never said anything about being Injured, but stealth play also lets survivors stay uninjured even longer before they get injured in the first place, exacerbating your issue of a lack of punishment when Injured.

And yeah, I do hope they add an additional "checkpoint" system for Killer, tying it with Hook states might make spreading Hooks more lucrative, but something that is more general that takes into account Injured Survivors/Pallet stuns/ and Hook states might give rise to more alternate playstyles.

I lowkey miss the DS + UB + BT + exhaustion perk meta. Why? Because it left nearly no room for gen rushing perks. Also, if you didn't tunnel, camp, or slug you frequently invalidated 75% of the survivor perks in the lobby. I planned to play that way anyway, so getting an indirect reward for it was nice.

i'm sorry i can't take any complaint about "gen tunneling" seriously. sure the most efficient survivor teams that spend every second on generators can be overwhelming but saying tunneling for that instead of "gen rushing" just feels like trying to create an equivalence between a killer making sure one player doesn't get to play the game and... survivors making sure a generator doesn't get to play the game?

Same.

Essentially most survivors in my trials only had Dead Hard available for them to use, and maybe WGLF if they were in need of points. Everything else had no use at all, and that felt good as killer.

Pretty much this.

The killer's play style has a more direct impact on their opponents.

Oh I don't think the elimination aspect is similar at all, but the nomenclature is correct. Trying to ascribe it specifically to only include survivors is colloquial usage at best. I also don't think killers are trying to dehumanize the impact tunneling has on a player when they use it, they're simply using it to state "my opponent is putting their objective before anything else" which is accurate in terms of its usage.

killers have feeling when the gens are all done by 2nd hook how you think the killer feels?

I personally hate it when I queue up as a generator and get tunneled out early. It's like I barely had time to power on.

Tunnelling is not 'doing objective before anything else'. The killer is expected to constantly be on their objective. Tunnelling is where one survivor becomes the sole focus, that's why it's called 'tunnelling'. A killer that is constantly doing objective before anything else can just as easily get three hooks on different survivors as three hooks on one survivor.

'Gen tunnelling' is a new term coined specifically to draw up a false equivalence in an effort to get tunnelling off the hook. If survivors were to 'tunnel' a gen, they'd be incredibly easy to stop. Survivors can't work on a gen while the killer is on that gen, simple as.

As for the topic at hand: I do want to point out that we've had

• Boons killed off
• Healing nerfed
• Very powerful intel perks
• Plenty of complaints about survivors hiding
• No adequate solution to unhook denial

If survivors aren't allowed to heal, boon, hide, and sometimes even unhook, what are they supposed to do, other than gens?

There's a couple problems with this rhetoric that I can see.

The first is the big one, and the one some people have already pointed out: Tunnelling a survivor out of the match directly affects a human player's ability to play the game. Generators being done quickly does not stop the killer from playing, it just makes the match harder. There is something to be said about how chases and dying are part of the game, but if a survivor wants to do anything other than chase when they're being tunnelled, they're completely outta luck, so it still warrants discussion.

Genrushing is what "gen tunnelling" is, and that difference in language does actually matter for once. It makes it clear that what's happening on the survivor side is actually rushing their objective, versus the killer side targeting one player over others.

Which leads me to my second point: The killer is not at all punished for 'forcing their objective'. Even if we were to ignore that anti-tunnel tools are a little weaker than they should be, your objective is to kill all four survivors, not to focus one guy down. If you get one guy dead because you tunnelled them, and it took long enough that the gens get done and the other three escape... you haven't forced your objective, you've failed your objective. Tunnelling is not required to win, but it's also not always even a good strategy if you can't guarantee those downs are fast.

To me, forcing the objective as the killer role is spreading pressure as much as possible. It's keeping survivors occupied and harrying them away from their objective, not getting tunnel vision on one of four objectives to the detriment of others. This is another reason that tunnelling and genrushing shouldn't be compared directly; they aren't even both examples of rushing the objective.

Third, while I do think that there are some ways of making generators a little too fast (pretty much exclusively toolboxes, honestly), it's honestly kinda hard to genuinely genrush at the moment. If you don't have a very specific genrush build it's basically impossible, gen speeds are such that the killer has a lot of input over the speed of the trial... if they are playing their objective smartly and not trying to focus one person out, anyway. If they're doing that, or they're trying to camp hooks, the gens are gonna go by quite quick.

Fourth, I want to highlight that it's a little silly to complain about getting to the endgame frequently but also stalwartly refuse to use any endgame perks, and for silly reasons to boot. Terminus obviously helps against Adrenaline, it stops half of the perk's effects from working, and NOED doesn't give free kills- it's just a spike of lethality.

Finally, I want to cap off by focusing on the part where you say that "three gens are done by your first hook every other game" - quotes for reference, not to sound too aggressive, hope that's clear. I would like to ask, in good faith, how are you adjusting to try and counter that? Do you swap out any perks, or attempt any different strategies? It's definitely possible for the first few generators to fly by very quickly, I won't deny that, but it's not entirely out of your control.

The "tunneled" survivor is playing the game until dead or escape just like all survivors. Keeping survivors alive all game is a very stupid strategy for killer. Of course going back to the same gen killer just kicked is gen tunneling there is no need to make excuses for one side and attack the other. Play both roles and understand both sides you play to win not to make sure the opponent have fun or win.

The way I see it is that the community somehow decided that killers are some sort of Dungeon Master that has to ensure their players have fun. The killer isnt a DM, but an opponent thats as free to follow their goals as survivors are, which includes killing survivors.

People would call me crazy if i demanded to be giving a minimum lifespan of my choice in other games in which you can get killed early. Imagine complaining about not getting a a chance by others to grab a gun before getting gunned down.

I think the problem is that the community is seriously contemplating about adding punishments for killers technically just playing the game and ignoring that survivors are doing the same things as killers.

Edit: removed putting words and apparantly lasagna into OP's mouth.Apologies.

Oooh.

You mean genrushing.