Revert the POST-PTB changes to Sadako

You've hit the nail on the head.

We're happy to hear the developers are looking into it. But this wouldn't need looking into in the first place if we'd just been heard the first time around. The developers have a frustrating habbit of making changes that noone wants (e.g. Hillbilly overheat) that they then have to spend a bunch of time reverting or reworking.

I know, I don't think I saw anyone complain about Sadako's changes... Idk why BHVR messes with stuff that doesn't need to be touched.

Thank you for doing this. 🙏🏼💕 truly!

I put a lot of thought into this after 2000 hours of playing our beloved TV girl.

I have great suggestions behavior please! 🙏🏼 Please take a look at the addons again. Out of all the purple addons only 1 of them is worth using…kinda…sorta with this update. (Tape editing deck) the others are lack luster for purples.

ADD-ON SUGGESTIONS ❤️

Tape editing deck - Bring passive condemn back on this addon to give survivors a reason to turn the tape in. Currently there is no threat for holding a cursed object. (bringing back tapes that passively condemn would be a great idea, it was a great idea to begin with.)

VCR - there should be similar animation like Freddy’s animation where Sadako is coming out of the TV so survivors think it’s her. It’s just an audio queue now and a small visual effect. Also, with survivors being able to see auras of televisions of any TV, this add-on will remain ineffective because they know exactly which she’s coming out of so there’s no tricking anybody with this add-on.

Telephone - this should be increased to 8.5 meters and from 3 seconds to 3.5.. The current range is so short, you could just lunge attack and hit someone. The slowdown is NOT enough to help you get the next hit or hinder them enough around the loop to potentially get ahead.

Distorted Photo - this could be useful if it was increased to 18 or 20 meters but the biggest issue is a survivor has to witness her manifesting which is frustrating because you have to count on survivors hearing her lullaby as a stealth killer to know you’re around, the two don’t go together.

Clump of hair should be basekit. (This would help her stealth due to her lullaby and because her invisibility is the same, as it is manifested, as it is de manifested, it should be harder to see her de manifested.)

Mother’s mirror OR Newspaper should be basekit. (To help her a little in loops)

Rickety Pinwheel/Seasoaked Cloth - Very neat idea! However, she gets punished hard for using these add-ons, because when she teleport it shut the TVs off, and the add-on is useless. I would suggest merging the two add-ons together or making it so the add-on stays on whether the TV is powered on or off. (You may have to make a different visual effect for this though from the static that usually surrounds the television)📺

Yoichi’s Fishing Net. Personally we don’t need 2 blindness addons. Fishing Net should go back to some form of Condemn Addon to give variety please. I loved loved the function of it before the tapes were reworked, I still deeply miss it.

Iri video tape - (Bring back OG video tape) If this isn’t an option that’s fine, but the version from PTB to hit live is not a great option especially if out of 4 of her purple addons are not effective as they should be for purples.

What's even funnier is that they nerf something to prevent tunnelling yet gut STBFL's chase potential and synergy with weaker Killers to turn it into a perk that's only at it's strongest when tunnelling and camping XD

I’m open to iri video tape. Just not what’s going to be released on the 30th. :)

Agreed! I too love that combo. 💕🥲 however, there’s just no reason for her to have four purple add-ons, and only one of them is barely useful, after January 30. It will no longer be useful at least not for the element of surprise. (VCR)

Tape editing deck used to be my all-time favorite add-on. I loved slowing survivors down in the beginning to give me a slight Headstart but now it’s effective in doing that, they see a tape in their hand automatically and they say OK no problem. Thanks for the tape early…. 🙄 I would settle for passive condemn to build up on their tapes just for that add-on, even if it wasn’t granted for regular tapes pulled out of TVs. (I hope that makes sense)

I can understand, I’m sorry. She’s been changed so many times people don’t know what to do, take a tape, don’t take a tape, people are confused on how to counter her.

It’s so funny there are people still in the current version that think they don’t lose the tape in their hands when you get hit and still try to insert the tape into the TV and wonder why they’re dead. Then they tell me I’m hacking. 🤣🤣

Im careful with getting my hopes up before I've seen the adjustments. I'm tired of getting disappointed.

I figure the window where the Devs would seriously consider any more significant changes for Sadako is rapidly closing, so why not just suggest more ideas for that 1 additional good add-on that would help her tremendously.

The nerfs to the PTB version need to be reverted. Capping Condemn stacks that are locked in with each hook at 3 is reasonable, but 2 stacks is not a lot of extra incentive to hook for a Killer that struggles in chase. A 10 second cooldown to when her projection spreads Condemn significantly slows down the rate Sadako can apply her Condemn pressure, particularly when the counterplay for survivors has never been easier.

I was thrilled by the PTB and only have 1 thought about her kit besides not nerfing it. If the new Ring Drawing effect was basekit (survivors hooked that are holding a Tape have their Tape destroyed and a stack of Condemn is spread to their teammates) that would be a big bonus for hooking, even if locked in stacks of Condemn are limited. That would free up an add-on slot for... something good that we might brainstorm right here!

A Tier add-ons: Iri Remote Control.

B Tier add-ons: Distorted Photo, Ring Drawing.

C Tier add-ons: Bloody Fingernails, Old Newspaper, Yoichi's Fishing Net.

D Tier add-ons: Well Water, Rickety Pinwheel, Mother's Comb, Tape Editing Deck, Cabin Sign.

Telephone would be worth running if the hindered or the range were stronger. VCR could also work if it were more convincing like Freddy's add-on. Well Stone could be buffed to 10 seconds CD reduction when survivors turn off TVs.

I feel like TV auras are too strong to leave basekit if they keep a 10 second CD on projection spreading Condemn, so remove them or give them a smaller 6-8 m range. But if kept, an add-on could hide the auras of TVs and Tape Editing Deck could use a buff, so it might work there.

Personally I think Sadako's stealth is a little underrated, but an add-on to lean into that would be great. Remove her lullaby and make projection silent.

Give us back that serotonin inducing 'bong' sound from old Iri Tape. Make it reveal a survivor's target TV when you hit someone holding a Tape. That's strong enough to be considered an Iri. Alternately, the TV the survivor turned off could turn back on.

Considering how easy it is to turn off a TV, would an add-on that exhausts while in range, like Rickety Pinwheel, be too strong? It might even prove useful in chase if Sadako can force survivors to path close to a powered TV. Conversely, survivors could be exhausted for 30 seconds after picking up a Tape. This would give Sadako enough time to find the survivor and take advantage.

A small buff to vaulting might help her in chase. It could be tied to how many TVs are powered or how many survivors are holding Tapes. So when survivors limit her power to project to a TV, Sadako can get something in return. Maybe vault speed is 2.5% faster for every survivor holding a Tape. Noticeable but not strong by itself, but it would stack with Bamboozle or Fire Up.

When all TVs are turned off, all TVs are reset and turn back on. This effect can only trigger every 2-3 minutes.

Again, the PTB was a 9.5 / 10. The nerfs should not go through. The new Iri Tape could be a Yellow meme add-on and one of these could be a strong additional option for Sadako. Going back through her add-ons, Sadako has a few options at least, but I thought I'd toss out one last Hail Mary for a stronger new Iri Tape.

thank you so so very much for taking the time to thoroughly read my post and write out your own personal ideas. 💕🙏🏼🙏🏼

I am glad that you liked what I proposed, and I also learned a thing or two from what you said as well.

I had no idea that distorted photo could do that, and I think that’s hilarious!

In regards to pinwheel and cloth, I believe you are right they may have to tone down the radius from 8 m to 6.5 if the television were off, but to be entirely honest 8 m really isn’t even that far. I think they’re going to tone it down then while they are powered on the rain should be increased to 9m.

I feel like I have more to say in this response as a whole so let me think about it and I will edit it probably.

Thank you so very much for listening and taking the time again to write all this out. You’re one of a kind :-)

Not gonna lie, I would love to add you on a 1v1 custom to see how you work distorted photo.

Of course, glad to help.

And on the note of Photograph, it helps that I also run bamboozle to make up for her weaker aspects. I also recommend Superior Anatomy if you're not keen on window blocks. If you get the aura read off, fake going one way so they turn back to run past the window again, you can crawl over it and catch them off guard. If they keep going one way, then you can commit to chase, and it works pretty well on most tiles that aren't shack, but I find shack runners tend to stick to shack too often and get fooled by the window juke.

The only real downsides are if they pick up on you and don't look, in which case you need to readjust to them not tracking your movements constantly and mindgame around that, or if they run distortion, in which case you need to burn through those stacks. Personally I enjoy the fact there's counterplay since I have a decent rhythm with manifest/demanifest in chase. The only worries I have with a 1v1 is I'd have to, at this point, mentally time my manifests where I've done this for so long it feels like second nature so if I try to think about my timings while doing it I guarantee I'd mess up 🙃But that's unfortunately how my brain works, loves to make things second nature as opposed to deliberate. I stream sometimes so maybe I'll create a clip later to show my results.

whoops double post b/c of the merge.

Very few people thought it was actually overpowered. Was it strong? Yes.

However, in most cases, nobody takes a tape until it’s too late. That’s entirely on the survivor.

Not to mention, after Sadako has burned through a few TVs from teleporting her power level goes downhill until her TV is recharge, and then her power level starts to scale back up again, but the time it does that you should already have a tape and deposit it.

Although I don’t blame people for not knowing what to do with this character, when they go up against her, because this will be the third coming rework.

The tape editing deck is insanely good. Has always been. It's s strong tool for spreading condemned early. Combined with ring drawing, they form her best addon combination by far.

My ideas:

Tape editing deck: it's a strong addon already. I would not buff it. In combination with the ring drawing, it will be her 2nd best addon. It doesn't need a buff.

Telephone: the effect is plain bad design. Slowing survivors down is not great. I would give it a new effect: holding tapes builds up passive condemned. This would be a strong purple addon.

Vcr: great idea! Agree!

Distorted photo: we have purple addons on killers like Xeno that make them vault 30% faster by default when in power. This addon makes people scream when they see you. That effect is worth yellow rarity at best. Giving it a new effect is the only option if you ask me. This would be my suggestion: if the Onryo is demanifested, all survivors hear the lullaby. (Map wide lullaby when demanifested). Also a strong effect fitting a purple addon.

Agree with clump of hair. A new effect should be there. Maybe: reduces lullaby by 8 meters. That's a useful addon and would keep the idea of making her more stealthy.

Mother's mirror could get the distorted photo effect. Fitting, I feel like.

The pinwheel and cloth are bad. Really bad. 90% of the time during a match, Sadako is demanifested. Why would she want oblivious on survivors? Blindness is ok, but still very bad. She has 2 blindness addons... My suggestion here is to give a new effect as well. Maybe a survivor that picks up a tape gets half a stack more for each TV they turn of while holding it? (Green).

The cloth could be something different as well. Maybe: holding on to a tape for 30 seconds inflicts the survivor with the blindness effect until they have inserted the tape?

I agree with the fishing net. Should be reworked.

I have to disagree with the iri tape. The new one is fine. The old one was too strong. Especially if we win and the horrible nerfs get reverted. The new effect is totally good, just undertuned. A change could be: TVs don't inflict condemned at all anymore (not when a survivor picks one up as well) but they don't turn off at all anymore. That's strong. It provides u limited map mobility at the cost of her entire secondary ability. A fair trade I say.

Sorry that it took so long. Had a lot to do.

I hope these posts will be seen by anyone but due to recent history and what happened 8 months ago, I will not get my hopes up for our well girl.

The added nerds are terrible. I am really regretting all of the time/bp/ MONEY I put in to sadako because I will not be playing her after this patch. At all.