The Hillbilly Feedback

Ah yes, before addressing ur comment, I want to leave some stats so maybe u can understand where I’m coming from. Billy was the 3rd least played killer, and had the lowest win rate in game. This has 2 primary reasons. Lack of lethality and Being far too punishing for it to be appealing to newer players. Billy reduced cooldowns help with both of those problems, and since he was one of the worst killer stats wise he should been getting significant buffs. And one more things, yes he always had above average mobility but he still was terrible at catching up thanks to his overkill cooldown, cooldown addons should MAYBE be reviewed but he’s basekit is PERFECTLY fine as it’s stands.

To be clear, I agree the old cooldown was bad and was a little too much. It should not go back to what it was before. I just want a middleground is all.

This is a change I’m not particularly against, in my opinion Blight, Billy, and oni in power should all have 40m, I would like to see it been made into a pattern. Although I’m not sure on the implications of it, it doesn’t seem to matter that much to weaker, in fact it seems to benefit at times, but Billy is FAR from broken, learning counter play is always important though;)

Did the cooldown addons get nerfed? They both say "does not apply in overdrive", but I don't remember them saying that during the PTB?

Obviously shock therapy does not have the same effect as the chainsaw, but you drew the connection between those two abilities so what is your point even?

I think Billy is one of the most fun killers to play against in the game, and the m2 abilities offer new forms of interaction, I'm glad he is not an m1 killer with the occasional chainsaw here and there... Because that would become really boring... There are so many m1 killers in the game and so few killers that can basically play by only using their m2 ability, so how exactly does m1 gameplay not get old but playing against a curve Billy does?

Besides that, even before the rework Billy's tried to almost exclusively m2 people, because that is what makes him unique, the curves... It just seems like you hate playing against Billy... But that does not change whether it is the old version or this one... It is just that the current version is quite the threat, whereas the old one was rather tame and weak.

After playing a bunch of matches, I think Hillbilly feels really fun to play as.

Playing against, not so much.

Overdrive feels like an increased threat, which is great! Overdrive chases are a lot more intense.

However, it often feels like I can't get anywhere after dodging an attack. I feel incredibly zoned at all times during Overdrive, and it's not very fun. If I dodge, he can follow right back up with an M1 immediately, or they can just chainsaw immediately and you get no time to run anywhere thanks to the faster charge time. I personally wish for an in-between missed Special Attack cooldown that's somewhere in between where it is now and where it used to be, or what it was before.

I think increasing the terror radius ever-so-slightly during a sprint could be a good idea.

Also, the chainsaw volume is incredibly quiet now? I can barely hear it playing as Survivor, it sounds very unnaturally quiet.

If anyone wants to see a video of how ridiculous his chainsaw cooldown is with the right setup.

https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/1afsl7a/am_i_wrong_for_thinking_bhvr_went_a_little

This is absolutely broken and needs to be changed ASAP. This is just rewarding people for missing and not rewarding people for outplaying his ability. The survivor in the video outplays the ability and goes down anyway. What's the point of playing a game where your skill expression doesn't matter?

if you miss multiple attacks and the survivor still can't get anywhere then i would say according to your argument the billy should not deserve a down because he does not master his skill yet (he is inexperienced). So if even unexperienced billys can down people easily although missing, then the cooldown is indeed problematic.

Again, I agree with Jukies. While I do 100% feel that TMix is over tuned, there is a certain point where people have to realize the amount of stuff that has to go RIGHT for Billy to get downs with his saw and that is usually the survivors doing things WRONG. It's also massively dependent on map RNG/Collision. Billy is NOT BUBBA. While Bubba deals with collision it's not the same way as Billy. There is so much room for Billy to be robbed of downs when using his saw and it requires very good precision that an unpredictable survivor can easily take away. If Bubba is 2 feet from you, he's downing you.

THIS IS ESPECIALLY relevant with the addition of Overdrive. Controlling Billy in Overdrive is a massive learning curve even for experienced BIllys and it makes using his saw very hard at so many places it used to be EASY. The truth is the majority of players are just not used to versing Billy and aren't aware what he was capable of even pre-buff. Most people that played Billy pre-buff used their saw 90% of the time already unless smart survivors forced them to M1. This didn't happen TOO often, because...well...Billy was painful to play, to be honest and they probably rarely versed them, because of it. Every match was constant pre-drop every pallet and you were forced to either back rev (getting right behind the survivor to use the chainsaw) which required them MASSIVELY messing up, or hit them with LoPro through a pallet, then M1 them. If you were versing Billys that only used their saw for mobility 90% of the time and M1'd you the rest of the time, then they weren't actual Billy players and were probably just trying him out or doing a challenge/achievement, so that's why this is such a shock to most people.

The issue is without knowing what is JUDGED as a "miss", Billy cannot use his saw for zoning if he "misses" to do so, which would greatly nerf him if the change isn't done carefully. It is very common for good Billys to sprint past you to cut off a strong loop to ZONE you and technically that's considered "a miss". Previously he was massively punished for this (and just about everything else in his kit, not specifically this) and he shouldn't be, because his mobility is what makes him strong. This is a very DELICATE line that has to be adjusted, or he'll go back to being absolutely terrible. This is not Billy that is the issue, it is his add-ons. When survivors LEARN how to verse him, they will learn how to force him to M1 them, or he will waste massive amounts of time. He is extremely fast + Overdrive speed, so he can take advantage of one mistake INSTANTLY if the Billy is good.

You also have to remember that the VAST majority of Billys that are playing right now were mains before his buff. Many of them struggled through old Billy and had to adapt to become decent with a killer that was extremely hard to get good results out of unless you were INSANELY skilled at him. Those same Billys are now playing a killer that isn't broken, but actually DECENT and because of that, they're doing VERY well. If you're getting slaughtered quickly, good chance you're versing someone with MANY hours in Billy. The average person will not pick Billy up and instantly get insane results.

As for moving after bonk, there was nothing wrong with that on PTB, and it made him feel much less jarring + new player friendly. The only reason it felt over tuned at all is...you guessed it THE ADD-ONS. You weren't fast while moving after bonk, you were slow, but not stuck with a still camera, so it made it feel less punishing, even though the survivor barely lost any distance from being able to move during it.

Bottom Line, this is a learning curve + add-ons issue that needs to be adjusted. It is not a nerf Billy back into the gutter issue.

I have 5 games today with Survivors DCing against Billy. And 5 others where Billy downs three survivors before the 2min mark.

How can this possibly okay gameplay?

100% you needed to make Billy easier to play for the general community, but the Billy mains have lied about his weakness. He did not need the overdrive at all and he was super strong already and you made him even stronger. hes worse than skull merchant.

The only suggestions I can give is making Billy blind to auras in Overdrive, so he cant instantly find people using BBQ all the time, cause him with auras in overdrive is just unfair.

Right now they are DC'ing against him, Great job guys.

Well Im glad YOU are having a great experience then but I certainly didn't.

one thing i forgot to say that i hate about the new billy is that he doesn't have cooldown or charges on he's chainsaw. leatherface have charges to prevent the spam making him too strong so why not billy. he can just spam he's chainsaw for a unlimited amount of time during the entire match, there is zero point for him to use a m1. giving a killer the ability to spam the m2 over and over is not the solution for balancing the game.

In my opinion Hillbilly's Basekit is mostly fine, his add-ons need to be looked at (missed chainsaw cooldown add-ons and useless add-ons)

My goal is to make all add-on have an use while making the strong add-on no too strong.

The problematic add-ons

-Greased Throttle, The Thompsons' Mix: The missed Chainsaw cooldown is already low on basekit and these add-ons make it almost a guaranteed m1, making it uncounterable. Rework these add-ons (like Leafy Mash or Mother's helpers).

LoPro Chains: this add-on feels cheap to use and a little unfair for survivors when dropping a pallet. Give it another drawback (like increased chainsaw Charge time)

Iridescent Engravings: This add-on is mostly fine, only problem is that it stacks with Overdrive at a ridiculous speed. The time to react is small. Maybe make it only increase movement speed when not in Overdrive.

The terrible or unneeded add-ons

- Counterweight: this add-on is terrible, make it atleast have something little like +5% charge reduction (in Overdrive)

-Cracked Prime Bulb: this add-on is a bad give-take add-on. Make it an actually speed limiter: e.g. it increases the Charge rate of the Overdrive Meter by +50% and decrease the movement speed of the chainsaw by -10%

-Steel toe Boots: make one bump-addon and rework the other one (e.g. 5% chainsaw movement increase).

-Thermal Casing, Discarded Air Filter, Ragged Engine, High-Speed Idler Screw: these add-ons do the same thing, delaying the decay of the Overdrive meter is not necessary and the time is too long to make a difference with add-ons. Have 1 decay add-on and rework the rest (e.g. old Big Buckle, Pighouse Gloves, Mother's Helpers and Black Grease combined or Leafy Mash etc.)

-Tuned Carburettor: this add-on is scary to buff/change, but the 4.4 m/s movement speed is most of the time a hinderance. It has a hidden downside of making the chainsaw speed slower because of the movement speed multiplier (4.4*2*1.1): 9.68 m/s instead of the normal 10.12 m/s. Give it less chainsaw charge time (20% --> 15%), decrease the movement speed of the chainsaw by 10% and remove the 4.4 m/s movement speed penalty.

TLDR: Billy is mostly fine, but has overlooked/bad add-ons while some are problematic.

they made him do that because they want billy to lose "LOS" on survivors, meaning it gives survivors a better chance from breaking chase from billy.

Its not a claim, I saw them do it, its an observation. I don't DC myself. Unless you are like other Hillbillys, I've met today who wont believe people DC against Billy, I have met three so far today. I didn't record it, but you are really skeptical of the wrong things, if what you say about not caring about being contradicted is true.

Like Im not going to ask for proof of your experience, Im sure you had some nice games. That is completely possible to me and not something I have any need to question. But you have a need to question me, to ask me to prove my experience? Why.

See here is where I think your narrative breaks down because what would I do with your experience? Its completely inconsequential to me. What in your mind did you think I could use your personal experience for? Furthermore when you respond to me again you say your point was that I said 'YOU' meaning my subjective experience, meaning that your responded to my subjective experience.

Like there is no way I believe that was not what that was about, but if you wanna say now that it was not, then I ask you to not be cryptic with your writing and tell me what you wanna say- You say you are bad with writing, but you don't seem like it, other than you don't always explain fully what you mean so you leave others guessing. We probably come from each other side of the planet, least we can do is be clear? don't you agree?

Okay, now look at that from my point of view. I wanted to make sure bHVR takes notice that in my neck of the MMR system things were disconnecting fast last night, then I get a reply to my post from someone saying basically, "No I didnt see anyone disconnect last night." Then when I respond to him, he tells me back its just my subjective opinion, when I saw it with my own eyes.

How do you think I feel? that I have to prove now what my own eyes see? Yeah, rude, insulting and dismissive that's exactly it.

This is where we split, cause I was giving my feedback to bHVR, but you replied and quoted your feedback to me. bHVR keeps an eye on the DC and they will know if there is a major problem. But I wanted to give my feedback to bHVR not you, that is why I didn't quote you when I made my first post. But you did, you wanted to discuss all of this with me. For what purpose I still dont see, but lets take it of forum if you wish.

100% everything is ok except that.