Onryo is so weak and boring

She's been changed so much over last year yet thing she needed most was chase power no one gave her, only thing we got was reyko's watch basekit which is great but still not enough

I mean she uses some kind of supernatural powers that she can use from afar. Maybe give her the ability to break palettes from 2-3 meters away through walls without letting her move while doing it. It would make interessting 50/50 for some situations or if you guess it you could just run.

As a guy who enjoys playing Onryo I say she’s perfectly fine as is and doesn’t need any changes as far as Ik. She’s finally in a healthy spot that doesn’t feel brain dead.

her lack of a chase power is perfectly compensated by having insane map mobility and built in slowdown.

Idk where you got the idea where she’s “map dependent” because her TV’s being next to every generator eliminates any Map rng since she can just teleport to every gen or at least close to a generator if the tv is off. The map rng you have to worry about is loops and to that you just play the game and try to outplay the survivor by cutting around loops and mind gaming all of which is just standard m1 stuff that people apparently don’t like to do. Onryo’s mind gaming is arguably better than most killers cause she can just phase in and out when using her manifestation.

I personally like to use her Teleport movement bonus to cut off survivors and end chases hella quick and it’s fun to come up in front of them suddenly slap them from the massive speed boost and while teleporting I also give survivors condemn and they may or may not need to leave gens regardless slowdown is slowdown and if I catch them with a tape then they will end up having stacks that will eventually lead to a condemn kill if their not careful.

Regardless her teleport is fun and manifestation mind games are fun so perhaps the killer is just not your type or you’re just not being creative enough with how you play.

Her lack of chase, no anti loop is not perfectly compensated by her mobility especially not her slowdown. Average survivors keep the TVs off killing both aspects most importantly your slow down.

Not to mention the survivors have the easiest killer interaction in the game of a whomping 1 second giving her 0 counter play especially since they can do this in chase and still get away. It’s not healthy at all.

Lets not even talk about her addons….

Or her lackluster stealth countered by a lullaby and if that doesn’t catch the survivors attention the Visual Terror Radius will….

I used to main her after she had been buffed, she was solid and competitive. Now she’s trash and unviable unless you’re just playing against bad or low mmr survivors that don’t know what they’re doing. Really hope they aren’t leaving her in this pitiful state or all her reworks were a waste of time.

When we are starting to compare her to Freddy after a few reworks within 7 months time that’s the Devs queue to take this to the drawing board to be corrected.

it has been months with no changes. I have already accepted her current state as final state until new information is given. she is really unfun to play right now.

I was one of the first players to say that this version will not succeed. everyone else just told me that this version was good. healthy direction. I just don't see it.

I also agree with this as well my friend. That was one of my favorite thing about sadako 1.0 is it made people think twice about grabbing a cursed video tape and it should. It’s a cursed object. Therefore more TVs to teleport to more ways to spread condemn.

this could been easily adjusted. lowering cooldown on TV from survivor and killer would reduce downtime TV's being turned off. The tp cooldown should been condemn cooldown in which they did get right on 3.0 but it was on the on wrong version of the killer. The mobility would be untouched, the condemn build-up would work same way. maybe nerf condemn build-up to lesser degree like 0.5 condemn/1 second per tape break if it was unbalanced.

OG sadako wasn't good. it was same problem that current sadako has. There is virtually no counter-play towards spamming televisions because TV spawn near gens and survivor need to do gens to escape. The reason why problem isn't apparent is because tapes & TV's are ultra-broken in favor of survivor. this is very evident when you play Sadako on Elementary Midwich with Videotape copy add-on. It is just TP→TP→TP→TP and everyone condemn in like <3 minutes with 18 meter radius. The mechanic is beyond absurd. The OG sadako did not experience this problem because of 100 second TV cooldown. You had to run iri-tape which reset 4 televisions. Technically the problem was still there but it was based around killer getting hits which was mildly more balanced this version.

2.0 Sadako was genius design. This was because survivor had counter-play tool where they could render the mechanic ineffective and killer had a mechanic to manipulate said counter-play in their favor. Survivor that looped well and held tapes had no trouble defeating her in an average match and survivor that played the m1 game poorly quickly got killed. The mechanic was still a little rough on edges but the overall concept was brilliant. they took a cool concept and deleted it. Indoor maps, it is too strong and in outdoor maps, the killer is worthless vs good teams.

Pig is less accessible in my opinion. She can still do same gameplay as before but it takes more effort. Onryo on other hand is changed. you can't use any of your 1.0 Onryo experience or 2.0 Onryo experience to win. She's m1 killer in normal maps and almost free win in muti-floor indoor maps.

In my opinion one of the biggest issues with her is how the past 2 reworks have punished survivors for not turning off TVs, rather than punishing them for taking a cursed tape and turning them off.

Her release version survivors didn't want to get cursed by watching the video/taking the tape so they'd only do it if they had high condemn or wanted to deny her mobility. This worked out perfectly fine since it allowed Onryo to have good map pressure to make up for her weak chase power.

However the reworks changed that and actively encourage turning off her TVs. The result is that survivors now are strongly rewarded for denying her mobility along side removing her condemn pressure. This means that against good survivor teams she will have weak map pressure with an already weak chase power. And with the latest rework, condemn pressure isn't that strong against a good team that knows how to counter her.

I much prefer her release version where survivors were in the most danger after touching her tapes and getting cursed from it.

Yes those situations help that scenario but it's still so easy to put tapes and hard to punish that I still think she's trash even if it is a "better" scenario.

I put this thread here I made as well to show videos of why she is weak. If anyone has time to see it :)

I stayed up till 3am making these. Not done yet either.

I know this isn’t the most accurate source, but I have noticed a decrease in her pick rate and I don’t blame people.

stats don't show that she is less popular.

She will either be too strong or useless.

how can condemn be too strong when holding the tape disables condemn mechanic?

I don‘t see how you want to balance her second version and remove the problems I said.

I just explained it. her tp mobility will not have a cooldown. instead the cooldown is condemn. This means that you can use your mobility as much as you want. This was something implemented in 3.0 version then it was removed. BVHR implemented change on wrong iteration of the killer.

when survivor grab a tape, the TV turns off for 70 seconds. Reduce cooldown to 30 seconds. 30 second is very short cooldown so much so that survivors taking tapes will barely impact her mobility because TV will turn on so quickly.

The current 3.0 Sadako verges on edge of being too potent in midwich and too weak on most other maps.

I know they have a lot on their play but I really hope that they make some adjustments to her. I feel bad that I have been posting as much as I have on the forms lately but it’s because I’m so passionate about her and I know several people that really enjoyed this killer that had been having issues.

I don’t want other people to suffer like I have.

I was hoping behavior would be be able to see the feedback of videos I created for them to see why she is so weak. Doubtful but I thought it would be helpful