Does Sadako do Anything?

Thank you!

… Im sorry..

I dont know what you want to imply.

But it will! I play her on a daily basis. There is a small indivator that shows that they get condemned. I even play with a friend sometimes and see that I get stacks through spamming.

She has an anti loop ability. Its weak but there.

Yes, she has a lullaby. But this lullaby is, as you said sometimes overshadowed by other sounds. On top of this, you can hide your apporach behind line of sight blockers (if possible) to make survivors guess from which direction you are coming from. This is basics and I dont know if I even have to explain this.

Sadako is a decent killer. I think many just play her wrong and overcommit to chases that take way too much time.

I never called her unplayable bad. As far as comparing to Wesker yeah than we agree she is underwhelming. Most people would put Wesker in A tier. In dbd anything below A tier is generally bad as even B tier requires the survivors to make many mistakes for you to win, regardless of how well you play. Anything that relies on survivors making mistakes I view as underwhelming. To me if a killer doesn’t have an equally “fair” chance of winning against a 4 man sweat squad on coms I view them as bad. Sadako does have some pluses to her, I just feel like you make them sound better than they are. Her “anti loop” in most cases does not work against good players for example. Quietest is also a large stretch as her being around is extremely telegraphed by sound. “Can kill survivors without hooking them”, yeah if they ignore your mechanics. Pigs party hats are gonna kill them too if they just sit on a gen with it ticking down because they don’t know what’s going on. I just feel like a lot of this is making something sound way better on paper than it is in reality. I can tell I’m not going to change your mind though and that’s okay.

You can do well on her in most games, I’m not saying otherwise. What I am saying is that it’s usually because most people are just playing bad on average or don’t understand her mechanics still. Like even though I went on 100 win streak with Pig I’m not under the delusion that Pig is “good”. Wins don’t tell the whole story.

Depending on how well you play her, she can be either pretty weak or pretty good. She scales a lot with your game sense and M1 killer gameplay. So if one of them isn't good, then you won't be able to use her power effectively. But she's definitely not among the weakest killers.

Not when we have Trapper, Freddy and Myers.

I’d rather not passive condemn as that’s being given for free. I’d rather something that rewards skillful play. So destruction of tape on hit again. This only gives me value if I’m able to play well and land a hit. A condemn stack on successful tape destruction to give some danger of just sitting on a tape. Currently there’s no down side.

Also to keep incentivizing hooking instead of slugging I feel Ring Drawing should be base kit. Given the above change just make it on hooks period since they wouldn’t have a tape now.

The TVs being shown to survivors is kind of a double edged sword too. I like that it helps new players find TVs, but it ruins surprise teleports completely where you would’ve caught them off guard.

Most the addons that apply a status effect in a range are too short. Bump them up to 12 meters.

Her purples are all bad.

Iri tape is just awful.

Her passive effects of manifested/demanifested are also so insignificant that you could almost bake all those addons into it at base and give something new to them. This would make the disappearing/reappearing a little more reliable as anti loop.

Disagree.

Someone that remembers my suggestion with the Gideon meat plant. I feel hugged!♥️🐽♥️

I would however go a different route:

Just rework this horrendous map. Its unfun for almost all players.

I consider the Pigs ambush a form of anti loop. Sadako has the post - manifestation invisibility that i consider a form of anti loop. It can situationally lead to hits if executed well. Just like the Pigs ambush. I dont say that she is an anti loop killer, just that she has a form of anti loop, just like most other killers. Sadako is a strategic stealth killer with a secondary ability (condemned).

I cannot tell you that you should or should not play her. Its up to you to play her and find out if you like to play as her or not. For me, she, just like the Pig, is the perfect killer design. Mostly m1 - mindgame - focussed, strategic element, stealth. As you said, you should not commit to chases much as her as her ability to down survivors is pretty weak. Pre dropping or shift w is sadly very effective against her. You mention something funny:

"you're not gonna 100% know when that is happening, it's all down to predicting and game sense at that point."

This is what I do. I know where survivors take tapes and have to deliver them. I know what pathing they usually do and catch them off guard. I know where boxes as Pig are and what pathing survivors will take. I know how long it takes to search a box and can predict their location based on that information. This is why I play these killers. This is her skill cieling. If executed perfectly, you can condemn people really fast. All you need is to know where they are. If you can develop a high level of gamesense, which is admittedly linked to experience and playtime, she can become a force to be reckoned with. I understand that this type of gameplay is not for everyone, but for me its why I still play DBD.

I usually play with ring drawing and bloody fingernails.

Ring drawing rewards me for hooking survivors that I downed when I correctly estimated their location and downed them.

Bloody fingernails helps me in chase to get hits or even downs and gives me more distance back when using projection mid chase to condemn people.

Slugging is by far not the best playstyle on her. Its a mixture of hit and run, strategic hooking and spreading condemn agressively.

I can recommend this build for learners, because it focusses on all the important parts of her kit:

• Stbfl
• Surge
• Hex: face the darkness
• Discordance

I used this build back on OG Sadako and used it now on 3.0 Sadako until it became unecessary and boring.

She can propably not reach the power level of Sadako 2.0 in normal matches, but if you want to literally stomp people, regardless of skill level or swf, with her, send yourself to the gideon meat plant and use my build / strategy. I have not lost a game on that map with her since the rework and not with OG Sadako as well. She is straight up unfair on that map and I already told this to the devs multiple times. The gideon meat plant should just be reworked.

Shes doesnt need to be "salvaged" shes decent but in need of some tweaks. I am glad that I can play her again after the hot mess that was Sadako 2.0. I refused to play her during that time.

Facts. It’s really sad and pittyful. I’ve been trying for months and months for behavior to see this. Sadako is easier than ever to counter.

Directional lullabies from her, auras on all TVs, static visuals for survivors, no punishment for cursed tapes or slowdowns.

It’s awful. You said it perfectly my friend

Agreed 💯 survivors hold her for sure.

Sadako keeps popping up on the forums over and over again by many players including myself all saying she needs help. I hope behavior sees this and will at least write ✍️ us to let us know. I’ve been trying really hard to show them everything I am seeing. 🥺

Also not against that too much. The only issue I percieve there is that does encourage a more goalie video tapes play style and disregarding hooks by trying to rush for condemn, after all you can only lock in half. Why lock in and reset to half when you can slug tapes out of people's hands and go all the way?

I personally would prefer the passive condemn, because it makes the decision to grab a tape a little more meaningful on the survivors part, and it enhances Sadakos slowdown by virtue of the fact it is less profitable to split up and do gens, because 4 separate survivors grabbing tapes is 4 lots of passive condemn build up where as sticking in duos, means it's 2. This naturally means it is easier for Sadako to pressure multiple survivors at once.

I guess it depends how much skill you percieve in the macro of Sadako I suppose. I see her style of play as more of a killer that constantly harasses survivors and keeps constantly asking them questions of how they're gonna spend their time. As I said previously you don't tend to want to commit to downs on Sadako, you want yo keep porting around and making it hard for survivors to stick to gens, to get heals off, to get rid of tapes and condemn. She is similar to Pig in terms of generating slowdown, but unlike Pig who is playing to try and attain slowdown by making the game a permanent 3vs1, Sadako is trying to keep bouncing across the map and engaging as many survivors as possible.

This ofc naturally doesn't perform as well against coordinated swf teams, as you have 4 brains vs.1... but if you're sowing enough chaos, you only need to catch one survivor at a bad time and you can really crank up the pressure.

Either way, I do feel the half global stack route to bring back her original skill expression is a good move.

its about early downs to fuel ring drawing.

in my opinion, radianthero is one of the reasons why Sadako got this rework. that is why i am not seeing any changes on her because he is saying the character is good. virtually only aspect I agree with him is Gideon's meat packing plant and Midwich Elementary school being strong/unfair maps for Sadako to win on. She's like scratch mirror mori myer's where she works well on two maps and under-perform on every other map. In my opinion, this is not healthy position for her. a killer being free win on every other map and killer dominates on 2 maps is opposite of well-balanced.

Compared to most killers she’s one of the weaker ones for early game with all pallets still up.

Tape editing deck improves her early game because it gives survivor a secondary objective to scatter around the map to put tape in. It is only part of her kit that i consider to be good slowdown. It is something a lot of player have said that survivor should have secondary objective at the start of the game, so they cannot just rush gens as soon as they spawn. that is what radianthero is talking about. from my personal experience, ring drawing is lackluster condemn build-up. I find more value from running Video-tape editing copy because +2 extra meters gives more opportunity to TP mid-chase to build condemn stacks if you min-max radius. Bloody finger nails and Iri remote control provide more value as secondary add-on choices over tape editing+ring drawing combination.

Sadako's biggest flaw is that there's no downside whatsoever to grabbing a tape. In fact, if your not actuvely holding a tape as a survivor, its like your throwing that game intentionally

Those 2 free stacks are ignoring a lot.

The literal only difference between running Tape Editing Deck and not for early game, is that running the addon saves the survivors the time of having to pick up the tape first. IE helping them.

The bonus of hooking them with a tape is hoping for a very, very risky play with all pallets up and even if we assume your best case scenario of them messing up and you get that early down with them having a tape to get Ring Drawing value, this is negated by the fact that they are clearing their Condemn stacks faster than if you weren't running the addon since they already had the tape in their hand saving them depositing. So by running that addon over not, even in the better case scenario, you will lose more Condemn stacks on them than you're gaining.

And as I mentioned before this isn't even going into the negative of giving up addon slots for all this, so there's opportunity cost here.

So Tape Editing Deck might as well read by how it plays out, "You will have weaker Condemn build up early game and give up 2 addon slots for this in order to see the survivors auras for 6 seconds on tape delivery".

Also something to note. There's a current bug listed in the Bug Reports section that's pending referencing Ring Drawing applying both its current effect and its old effect. Which if this is accurate, it means people are seeing an artificial value with it currently that isn't intended.

"the proper way to play vs add-on is to just put tape into the TV at start of the game "

Disagree. You ignore it and do gens, except you saved them the time of having to grab a tape first. There's no downside not to holding a tape other than them running Ring Drawing and even then you made it even faster for them to go clear those stacks you give with Ring Drawing. The extra condemn you're gaining at the start from running Editing Deck/Ring Drawing is negated by the quicker rate at which you've allowed them to deliver a tape. You're also even giving up running Remote Control/Fingernail..which is a ton of value lost.

If they ran to drop tapes instantly at start, that would be great. But that's not what happens it reality. The only time you're getting everyone going to drop tapes immediately is against bad players. I care about winning against good players, not bad ones.

Let me put it this way. If you gave me the option of everyone starts with a tape base kit or no one starts with a tape base kit, I would take no one starts with a tape..and you're wasting an addon slot for it. It's a negative. This addon is bait.

Tape editing deck is poor beginner slow down. Even One Pump Willie just said this. It makes no difference at the end of the day. I made a video where just myself shut off 3 TVs alone.

3….out of 7….what can the other 3 survivors do.

RadiantHero could’ve been 1 of the reasons that initiated the rework, but ultimately I feel like that was a team-effort from a lot of people and Onyro mains respectfully in the community.

That I can get behind. Its a really risky addon and ring drawing + bloody fingernails is propably a lot better. I do think however, that it is better than a lot of other addons she has currently.

Of course it was all of us. I tried to help with constructive feedback when I could because I genuinely enjoyed the first version, just like many of us, and wanted it to return.

I definitely think this was a group effort. I think I just pushed people a bit.

I am feeling this my friend :(

I need to breathe 😌❤️