DbD Consultant program

It’s a good idea on paper just so long as the devs don’t only rely on these people in the program

But I think most people can agree overall balance has been better recently and I feel we have this to thank for it. Even things like the upcoming Chucky changes feel like something that this program directly affected in a good way

I would love to know more about this. Seems like a more effective PTB.

Changing this game for the better is why most of us are here. I don't know why this is kept a secret.

Everyday and expected to work at least 2 hours of overtime? Those working hours sound kind of bad.

Funny enough when I heard about this and saw that charm, you were the first person I thought about 😅

Fridge is gonna be piiiiiiiiiiiiissed 🤣

LOL I am so sick I completely misread that. Yeah that actually sounds alright haha.

Can any of us here actually do that? 🤣😂

Looks like they learned from the Twins debacle.

Yeah same, it's the one feature I'm not looking forward to.

It looks like this program has been around for awhile anyway, so I'm hopeful they've gathered a variety of voices in that time. Chances are good since the player base can't seem to decide if the devs are killer or survivor sided on a regular basis 😂 hopefully it's the same on the skilled side of the aisle. As a pretty average player, I'll never be able to compete at high levels and don't aspire to. But I'd like to continue enjoying the game as much as the more skilled folk do.

It's also just occurred to me that this program is likely the source of leaks over the years, which is disappointing. Imagine being given an opportunity like that and breaking trust.

Yeah, I don't mind the program existing but I do feel bad for the Fog Whipersers who want to make a difference and then found out that BHVR already has a group for feedback. Like for years now Otz has been saying he has been msg devs about changes and feedback, the devs according to him have an FW channel in the discord server for this and now they found out all this. I bet few of them feel like all these years their feedback meant nothing at all. Honest I think FW are unoptimized and purely treated. I don't blame Spookyloopz and others for leaving a program where they don't feel like they are under valued. I have thought for a long time now that FWs should just leave the program to make a statement. I know I wouldn't want to be just some mouthpiece or PR person for this game.

Fog Whisperer’s aren’t for balance purposes, they are there to promote the game be a positive representation of the community. They get free access to in game goodies and can give them away as gifts to their viewers encourage engagement.

We also don’t know if any of those Fog Whisperer’s are Consultants either. I don’t think some content creators like Otz would even want to have this be visible considering how much blame he received when STBFL got nerfed.

so this tells me that after years of having someone who is hard of hearing as a consultant, who admits to advocate a lot for accessibility, all that happened is the visual terror radious and absolutely nothing else.

no visual cues for footsteps, generator sounds or any of the sort ever implemented or mentioned to be in the plans.

yeah… people are really overblowing what they have the power to do or affect.

You telling me nothing I already know. I always knew FW program was purely a PR program. That's not really my point here. Im just saying I can fully understand why a few FWs are upset about the whole consultant thing and I sympathize with them. Take spookzloop, he truly cares about the game and he wants to help out so badly but making the whole consultants thing public he felt was a slap in the face to the fog whisper program.

I feel Otz if was a part of it he would tell us. Hens and Tofu both have come out saying their apart of the program and I believe Lilith also have came out last night as one as well. I still think it was a bad move of the devs part for even come out publicly about this program. It has caused more harm than good imo putting this info out there. I think it would been better if the consultant program and ppl apart of it stayed unknown.

I'd be honoured, but I'm fairly certain there's other forum users who'd be vastly better consultants than me. I'm very 'slightly-above-average' when it comes to DbD, so I'm not exactly a good representative of highly skilled players, or lesser skilled players.

I think its the opposite, this is not a good thing.

The problem is that a lot of these top content creators are heavily biased toward survviors. And that isn't a "tin foil hat conspiracy omg survivor main" thing. It makes a lot of sense. If you just go to youtube and you type dbd survivor RIGHT NOW. The first 5 videos you see are:

1. "Buckle up is getting nerfed" and then 20 minutes of someone using Buckle up FTP to bully unsuspecting killers
2. "I created the most evil survivor build" that is a normal compilation of that content creator bullying unsuspecting killers
3. Casual, "short" 2 hour otz video
4. Another classic bully compilation
5. "This survivor build RUIN killers" yet another, lets bully killers compilation.

Most survivor "content" is them bullying bad killer players. It's why that whole conspiracy around "smurfing" came about. I'm not commenting on the smurfing just explaining it. But the point is, survivor content is all about bullying bad killers and killer content is usually tutorials, videos about the new killer, challenge videos that they probably threw 20 games trying to get footage for it, or going AGAINST these bullies.

On the killer side of it, just type in "DBD Killer" into youtube and what do you see?

1. A "What is this cool thing about every killer" video tier list type thing
2. Challenges video like trying to get 5 stacks of pentimento.
3. Overview of the unknown's power/perks/addons
4. Video going against a "TOXIC BULLY SQUAD"
5. Video from a less experienced player showcasing dredge play (evidenced by the fact that the perks they are running are bad, and they don't even have their perks maxed out, showing they likely don't have all the good perks yet)

So, the point is, content creators on both sides of the main spectrum have an incentive for survivors to be, quite frankly, "overpowered". Because their content is either about using that overpoweredness on killers, or by killers beating these survivors despite them being "overpowered".

The discussions that typically go on here would have me believe otherwise, but I appreciate the vote of confidence!

Still, though, Peanits clearly said that players are approached by BHVR, not the other way round.

Consultants do not need to be content creators. While some are, others are not.

There is no application process. We select and invite people who would be a good fit for the program and fill the needs we have in terms of experience with specific aspects of the game.

If there is no application process how do you actually seek out people who are not content creators in some right? I'd imagine most of the consultants either had to be referred to you by an already existing content creator or someone with knowledge of the program.

that is easy to answer… someone on some social media who they see being the type of person they would like to invite to this. so they do.

but without knowing who is in, we can't know. and they won't give out that information, so no real point in asking.

for all we know it could be "nepotism city", but it can also be perfectly fine and the best it could possibly be.

I'm worried about what the consultants define as "encourage unfun gameplay". There are so many people on these forums, that label and demonize pretty much every killer strategy (i.e. camping, tunneling, slugging) as "unfun gameplay" for survivors.

…..but when these same people are asked about what things survivors do, that counts as "unfun gameplay" for the killer, we get told that pretty much everything survivors can do is fine and acceptable. We even have people defending bully squads, because "at least they aren't doing generators". You can even see this in the way certain game terms are defined, where killer strategies like camping and tunneling are super easy for killers to achieve in any game….. but gen rushing is a hyper specific scenario that requires certain perks and certain addons.

I don't understand how BHVR finds enough people, that are truly arguing on behalf of the killer role, that also aren't over exaggerating the game problems. I've been on these forums for a while, and it seems like the majority of the people truly arguing for the killer role, go completely overboard and get permanently banned.

I believe all of the Fog Whisperers are on Steam, and consolers cannot even apply for that program. Are there any plans to open that up to represent all platforms?