Lethal Pursuer is unhealthy for the game in its current state

The drawback is that it makes the early game more manageable but won't help you otherwise like Pop, BBQ, Pain or GE do. Also, like I mentioned before just because you know where the survivors are does not mean you win the match. The killer has still to down and hook you.

My theory is that some players use Distortion because they don't want any interaction with the killer because they are bad at chase and an easy target for the killer. However, at some point the killer will find them, and then they are an easy target because they are a quick down. It's an unhealthy situation because they avoid chases because they are bad at chase but they are bad at chase because they avoid chase experience. That's my explanation why Distortion has a high pick rate but not the same win rate. Now, it's difficult to say if Distortion creates this user behavior or the user had this behavior already and Distortion comes handy. It's similar to the egg-chicken-question. However, this doesn't change the fact that this perk counters LP and can be helpful like avoiding LP because you run Deliverance. There is also the fact that more players use one perk on the survivorside than players using on the killerside.

The statistic only tells us that LP has a high pickrate and reliable win rate but doesn't tell us if this perk was the (or at least one of the) reason for the win. It can still be a different perk, a survivor mistake, or just good killer skills that provided the win. The only way to find it out is to play (for example) 50 games with LP and 50 games without LP and track every match with the same killer and everything to check at the end if LP has a big impact on winning the game/LP makes it easier.

Just take Distortion. What's your problem?

I fail to see the issue. WoO is a perk that completely automates survivor gameplay. That is incredibly dull. You literally play by a manual.

Also, I can't voice my disagreement with one perk? Interesting. I would like the game's results to depend on who actually played better and not who brought perks that automated their gameplay to the point where they basically couldn't lose. Losing against loadouts rather than players is not a great feeling. This is also why I'm fine with most info perks. They don't do anything for the killer or survivor. They help them do things. WoO is an exception because it's not about how you use that information.

Either way, that last sentence is a pretty poor point. I am fine with most perks in this game and I certainly would like to see quite a few perks be buffed or reworked on both sides. That does not mean, that I will complain about pretty much every perk somebody uses against me. I won't rejoice (which should never be the case, as perks are meant to make the game harder for your opponent) but I can live with them.

If you couldn't tell, the part about people that complained about every category of perks was not about you specifically. I explained this because someone else, who seems to have vanished from the forums, brought it up.

Ruin, Undying and Eruption fell out of the meta a long time ago. If we were to talk about the all time most popular slowdown perks, then that would probably be Ruin + Undying (I consider both to be slowdown because Undying is just a decoy for Ruin) and Pop. But I was talking about the ones that were meta at the time. Even then, Pop was nerfed and Ruin got obliterated almost 2 years ago.

I mean comparing a decent time for gens with some of the worst atrocities out their when it came to dragging games for ages is a bit unfair, is it?

Sounds pretty trash... Considering on indoor maps it might just not show survivors at all... And I don't know if it would work well on some outdoor maps... The perk is fine.

And barely anyone runs those Gen speed perks, because most people are too bad at the game to hit hyper focus skill checks...

That the skill checks go faster is hard on most players, even the good ones. I would say there are other perks that give you better value if you are not a good player when it comes to hitting greats...

Deja vu is average at best... Do the match you get like 5 seconds less duration on a gen if you do it for the full duration... It is really not that good.

Because since 7.5.0;

Gen slowdown/regression has been gutted. The last few good ones having been harshly nerfed this update.

Most (good) chase perks have been nerfed (STBFL, Sloppy etc.).

All sources of anti-heal were made obsolete against good Survivors (all Mangled and Hemorrhage sources on a timer, decent Survivors will slam gens until the timer runs out instead of healing quickly out of panic).

Gen kicking (and slowdown in general, including non-regression kick perks) was given a hard-limit which can be weaponized by a decent team (there's whole threads and videos about it).

Survivors are running out of things to complain about (although increased tunnelling & camping, Survivors giving up often and horrible map generation should be given more attention imo) so things that become more common are complained about. The current situation (low perk variety, increased tunnelling and camping) is a direct result of the last few month systematically weakening every other viable options without offering alternatives or incentives to not tunnel (in fact, nerfing Pain Res and Grim Embrace arguably encouraged tunnelling since less slowdown is gained) to compensate, especially for Killers on the weaker end of the spectrum.

Out of everything that's currently happening though, complaining about Lethal Pursuer and aura-reading of all things is surprising.

Gen slowdown/regression has been gutted. The last few good ones having been harshly nerfed this update.

All sources of anti-heal were made obsolete against good Survivors (all Mangled and Hemorrhage sources on a timer, decent Survivors will slam gens until the timer runs out instead of healing quickly out of panic).

This we straight up disagree with but since it doesn't answer the question, moving on.

Survivors are running out of things to complain about (although increased tunnelling & camping, Survivors giving up often and horrible map generation should be given more attention imo) so things that become more common are complained about.

This does, thank you.

Perks can be good without having requirements, there is nothing wrong with that. Not all perks can be S tier, some are completely average, but we also cannot pretend that a perk that saves you maybe 10-15 seconds a game is that superior, it is average/decent and that is OK, but nothing more.

You misunderstood my point. Someone else mentioned people that complain about pretty much every perk their opponent can bring. For those people we really do need a different game mode.

It should be obvious that everyone has their peeves with one perk or another. There is nothing wrong with that. But when it's a majority of all perks, that becomes an issue. At that point, they might want to consider playing a different game.

And everything you said about WoO can be applied to Lethal Pursuer.

No, it can't. Lethal Pursuer works at the start of the match and then it's gone. The secondary effect enhances other aura perks but it still doesn't allow you to play by a manual.

With WoO you see windows and pallets all the time with no further input needed. You can simply play an exciting game of "Run to yellow." and don't really need to think. With Lethal Pursuer and other aura perks that is not the case. If it were, then they'd be active permanently, which would obviously be stupid.

And now suddenly you care about skill rather than perks? Theres an easy fix for that…play perkless.

That has always been something I wished for. For skill to matter more than loadouts. That is partially the case but when you stack enough things in your favor it's increadibly easy to win, no matter which side you play.

As for playing perkless, what does that accomplish? My skill is not rewarded, if I lose anyway, is it? And playing perkless is pretty much a guaranteed loss.

How is that an issue? You are not gonna get a hit if you just use frenzy and run at them from that far away... And then you go into cooldown when you close and have to wait for it to be ready again, that would be a terrible play.

2 things. First off, for a Hillbilly to get an immediate down, that survivor has to mess up monumentally. That means it's more a skill issue than a perk issue. Second, if it's 2-3 killers that are problematic with a perk maybe it's not the perk that is the actual problem. This could easily be fixed, if the 3 of them started with their powers on a cooldown like some other killers do.

Survivors should have bit of time before first chase start.

Why? The killer already has no early game. Why should survivors be rewarded for that even more? Especially since in most situations you have a pretty good idea where survivors spawn anyway, which means Lethal Pursuer makes little difference in that regard. It is however good when you spawn in the middle of the map and can only guess. Because guessing wrong already puts you behind so much, that it's an uphill battle right from the start. All caused by RNG (the killer's spawn is dependent on RNG and the survivor spawns depend on it).

It is not hiding behind bad survivors... Look at the usage rate of hyper focus, that perk would be a huge issue if people were good enough to properly use... But they don't so we need to take perks that trash players can use, because the niche scenario of someone being good enough to use it to its max is just not what happens in the majority of matches. And when we are talking about Gen times in general a small group gets averaged out rather fast.

I mean sure the Gen kick meta was the worst when it comes to Gen times, but then again it was so bad and it still took them ages. It should not have been a thing longer than a few days... Which is why I wouldn't want to take into account such extreme unbalanced scenarios. Same for ruin undying, people in comp didn't cleanse because it wasted too much time looking for the totem, which is kind of ridiculous xD

But sure technically you are probably right on that... I don't know though, Old ruin might have the crown still... As gens could basically stay at x percent all game long if you got unlucky.

No I don't think it is fine just because it does not get used, but it does not become problematic for the majority of players, which is probably why they are not changing the perk.

 I don't expect these killers getting nerfs and it would be unfair to nerf them just because one perk is too good on them. So only option is to nerf the perk or limit is on these killers which I don't think will happen.

Without lethal finding survivors is fine they has chance to hide if they run to killer early it's their fault. Lethal is fine with slow killers but with them it might be just wasting perks slot and corrupt often is better option and decent killer will find survivor quite quickly anyway.

People clearly want to misunderstand when I say survivor need bit of time in start of match. Enough time they can move around maybe go to close gen that's about 10-15s.

A perk should not be nerfed because of “bad luck”.

Survivors shouldn’t be informed who the killer is at all. I’d go so far as to say that there should be no lobby either. Once 4 survivors queue up, killer gets matched and they immediately load in without seeing each other.