Weave Attunement needs changes

Maybe make it so that Weave Attunement only works with items that it drops and not things any other perk (such as Franklin's) drops. I think that's a good compromise.

When WA was released, I was thinking that this combination does not need a nerf because there is a good amount of counterplay:

• Perks: Distortion and Object of Obsession counter this Perk fairly well. The more common Off the Record also counters this Perk well but is a special case.
• You get a notification when you affected by this Perk and can look for the item to pick it up and then place it somewhere on the edge of the map.
• When you have an item, just drop it on the edge of the map. In case of Toolboxes, you always use these on the first generator and it unlikely that a killer could find you - but possible. It removes the option to Flashlight save but Pallets saves are still possible and when you cannot do saves you sit on Generators.
• Do a last second switch in the lobby.
• We also have to keep in mind that the killer has to use two Perkslots to make it work.

However, what makes me think that WA should get a nerf is the fact that it affects other Perks in an unhealthy way. If we look at the Distortion stats from nightlightgg we can see that much more players use this perk since the introduction of WA (Patch 8.0.0). Of cause, Distortion was and is always a top10 perk but the jump from 9.15% to 11.74% (38625 → 52723 is +20.000) is noticeable. I'm also expecting that Distortion will become much more popular due to WA. More players use Distortion means that other aura reading Perks and Add-Ons become less used which means killers will run more slowdown Perks. Of cause, running slowdown is always the most common killer choice but it is a different between running it because it is strong or running it because it is the only viable choice you have. Don't get wrong, in my option Distortion needs a tweak/nerf to make aurareading Perks more viable - nerfing WA won't make Distortion a neverused Perk. But nerfing Distortion without nerfing WA would be a mistake because then - I am pretty sure - Object Of Obsession will take over Distortions place which results in the same situation that aurareading Perks and Add-Ons become unreliable and killers feel like to run slowdown. Another issue is the missing mindgames: When a killer has constantly the information about your location, mindgames on the survivorside are impossible (e.g. you cannot fake a window vault on a TL when the killer has no line of sight because he has the aura information). In the PTB-Feedback I made a point about how healthy mindgames for both sides are and that Iron Will will remove this and turn the game in an unhealthy direction, so why should be okay when Perk removes the ability to mindgame on the other side? Of cause, the item has to be on a tile/loop to remove any possible mindgame on the survivorside but this is easier than you think. I played alot of games with WA+Franklins and was able to hit survivor on a good spot because survivors run during a chase into the map or to a strong tile and then you hit them there and WA will give you a huge value. The survivor is also in this moment unable to pick the item up and later another survivor has the issue that they is affected by WA and unable to do any mindgames. I hope you get the point. Of cause, you could run Object Of Obsession to get the mindgame ability back but I also played some games with OoO against WA users and it felt so akward. We knew the location of the other and nothing happened because no one was able to pull off a mindgame that either gives you an advantage or a move. It feel like the hold hatch situation when the killer was able to grab you when you jump into the hatch. The survivor was standing on the hatch and waited for the killer to hit them to get the hatch while the killer was waiting for the survivor to jump into the hatch. It is hard to explain but it does not feel healthy. Of cause, there are aurareading Perks and Addons that can do similar things but these have either a cooldown or a requierment.

Overall, WA should get a nerf because it leads the game in an unhealthy direction and removes important parts of the game. However, I don't think the developers will really understand it and WA will stick around for the next few months until it has too much usage. Then the developers will nerf it and then two years later they will buff it back.

Now the question is what kind of nerf this Perk can get that makes it less unhealthy but still viable? My suggestion:

• Survivors can now see the aura of the WA item
  • This makes the Perk more manageable for SoloQ and less akward on some places or maps.
• When a survivor is in the range of the WA-item, the aura of the survivor is revealed to the killer for the next 8seconds. If the survivor leaves the range of the 10seconds are over, the affect for this survivor goes on cooldown for the next 30seconds (can be more, its just an example).
  • Adding an individual timer and cooldown enables survivors to do mindgames against the killer after the timer is over. It also makes sure that the survivor is not running from one WA-item into another one. An individual timer is also important to make the Perk more useful. If the perk would go on cooldown when one survivors triggers it, it could become rather useless since a random survivor could trigger it. It should also be possible to add an individuel timer because the Perk game ofoot as a similar feature.

Sorry for my bad english but it is kinda late and I'm not in the mood for a long post.

Well, in any other situation, constant (or near-constant) wallhacks like that would be considered "cheating." But since WA is designed this way by the devs themselves, it's totally fine, right?

Fine, It's not like anyone playing serious will use this perk anyway, who cares when it's dead

People are aways saying "play around it". But provide zero explanation on how to, if your going to defend the perk, at least provide a reasonable comment on how.

I'll do it, the way I play around it is at the very start of the match, drop your item to check if the killer has it, if so, immediately put your item in the corner, since it's the start of the match this is the best time to do this, then go do generators, if there are other items on the ground, move them, even if the teammates needs the item, it's better off being in the corner considering the wallhacks can really hurt the team.

Only use the item when the killer is focused on other stuff, like chases, hooking, and defending generators, plus the right way to distract the killer is to lure him with the aura reading, take your item, and move to a safe space, if the killer comes to you, waste his time as much as possible. If the killer doesn't come, use your item to heal or do other generators. I personally think the perk is fine, but I do understand the frustration, if it were to get changed, it would need to get fully reworked, one it's useless without Franklins, and nerfing it would make it rather niche.

I run perks like COH, and other generator perks like Prove Thyself instead of items sometimes, can be quite nice if the killer is running Weave + Franklins since he has less items to gain his wallhacks from.

Let me know if you want more tips!

this seems high effort to counter the perk imo

best case scenario you spawn edge map and drop your item asap but chances are that when you actually need your item you'll be far from where it is and it's just more time wasted retrieving the item. Plus, you may end up bumping into the killer and dropping your item anyway (franklin's) or he just sees your aura edge map and beelines it to you?

I do get that it's only powerful w/ franklin's but in solo q most will end up dropping their items after a hit near gen, unbeknownst to you, and you'll find yourself getting aura read later; sure, pick the item up and take it edge map but once again, more time pulled from objectives

these 2 perk slots taken up almost guarantee the other 2 will be pop and pain res which are already a painfully boring combo to play against

I did, I was addressing the others in the comments that were saying just play around it, while not providing no explanation on how, sorry for the mixup.

I can confirm, a SWF with someone packing OoO can essentially deny any Killer that can't hide their aura/teleport to avoid the aura-read.

We stopped doing that after 2 games because it was just sad having two Killers DC in one day because the only person they could find was in the main building of Autohaven (which is a borderline infinite against M1 Killers) because everybody else left and hid ages before the Killer ever reached their gens. Poor Oni wasted all regression events on a gen before 3 gens were done…and also because it was annoying getting told rather unsavory terms after each games.

Oh I know, I was just following what @VomitMommy said before.

I think the last time anything substantial was done for SoloQ to try to bridge the gap between them and SWF was around 6.1.0 where they added the chase & action icons next to character portraits. I honestly believe that, barring the arrival of Skull Merchant & a few bumps, the period between 6.1.0 and 7.5.0 was among the most fun ones for both sides before it started to go downhill.

The Perk is fine, even in Combo with Franklin's Demise. It's finally a strong, fun and also fair Perk that isn't a Gen Slowdown Perk. There is a Counter Perk and the Counter Strategy is not that hard to learn. However, i agree with the Highlighted Effect for like 10 Seconds on the dropped Item.

No it's a crutch perk and requires literally zero skill from a killer. If everyone here is as good as they're all stating they are then they don't even need such a crutch perk, now would they? But they all do because everyone is okay with having chronic wallhacks. Give me a break and maybe get good at finding survivors without needing chronic wallhacks. This game literlaly has crows and a snitch horse that tell your where survivors are/have been. So be real and at least admit that you need the training wheels, because this perk isn't healthy the way it is now nor in the way it synergizes with other perks/add-ons.

this entire paragraph could be paraphrase with survivor items. Stop using crutch like red syringe instant -heals. They require 0 skill from survivor. If everyone is as good as they say they are, they don't need crutch items to carry them to victory. Healing mid-chase is unhealthy with the way it synergies with survivor second chance mechanics.

-Weave attunement, the perk. there is my summary of your paragraph.

Been playing since almost dbd release, almost 3k hours, even if sometimes i play games like i am new. 😂

But seriously now, i was thinking more on the people that always say "we should buff/nerf this because of SoloQ". I see that said a lot, the same way sometimes we cannot keep nice things because Nurse or even Blight exist, and that's a shame.

Funny thing tho, i think one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) buffs in DbD history is the in game HUD that tells the information on what are the teammates doing. Now if you say "bruh my teammates still dont read it" then again is your mates mental fault, but i think BHVR actually care about soloQ a lot.

That said, im totally in on making the survivors see each other perks in the lobby at least.