Please change Sadako back to her first version, but keep the buffs

I'd love this myself. Having survivors actually avoid cursed tapes and be punished would be great. Not having teleport spam be the viable strategy and instead require strategic single target teleports would be great.

However old Ring Drawing can't return, at least not without the nerf to make it not work on slugged survivors. No one really wants the slug condemn strategy to come back. With the QoL buffs she has gotten across the board though she shouldn't really need to rely on such a playstyle anymore to be effective for the average player.

I doubt they will bring old Iri-tape back though, and I am okay with that if they keep the current Iri-tape. However if they did that, they would need to give her a few more condemn buffs so she could have some of the power comparable to old Iri-tape. I think instead of 16m, 18m or 20m condemn range basekit would be important.

Having said all of that, I personally am perfectly fine with the current Onryo we have. I don't trust BHVR to not mess her up again if they tried to rework her so I am content with what we have. Her current state plays fine and is fun while still being pretty strong when played well. We are fairly lucky when compared to the reworks other killers have received, and I'd rather not try our luck again.

Slug condemn will never come back and even as a Sadako main I don't think it should. It supported a type of gameplay that much of the community finds either unfun or toxic, regardless of how we may feel about it.

There are ways of buffing her single TV focused condemn though without the need of slug gameplay or a form of global condemn. An increase to the condemn range from a TV like I mentioned earlier is one option. Also current Ring Drawing basekit would be another great choice, while also restoring the add-on to spread condemn between survivors healing each other but not slugged survivors.

It can absolutely be done without slugging strategies, but I don't expect BHVR to make the required changes and thus would prefer them to just leave her as is at this point.

I respect your opinion as I know there are some Onryo mains who enjoyed her 1st rework and they have a right to voice their opinion. However, I am 100% against the idea of going back to her first rework. It was just unbalanced and by its nature hard to balance. Either it was going to punish soloq and lower MMRs hard, or it would be too easy to counter in high MMR. There was not a good way to save that version of her. The 1st rework also was less fun to play for most of us old Onryo mains due to how it restricted her power. That rework just was not thought out very well and I am very happen they scraped it.

Passive condemn is what I wish for the most. It made Sadako far more scary to go against. 1.0 Sadako with 3.0 buffs needs to return.

I didn't mind the old version either. Literally it was just pick up a tape, now you're immune to building up more condemn. There wasn't any incentive to shut off all the TVs.

The first version with added buffs that came along later would be nice too.

You couldn't tunnel people and smack tapes out of their hands multiple times. If you're tunnelling them, they didn't have time to pick up tapes.

Mindless TP spam also didn't work unless survivors ignored tapes. All you did by spamming TP, against teams that picked up tapes, was turn off your own mobility.

When it comes to problematic addons, I'm mostly thinking of the… Mother's Comb? I think that's what it's called. A green addon that gave you a loud noise notification when someone grabbed a tape, as well as turning TVs yellow when they're inactive. It still does this, and right now it's… fine, it's okay. When hitting someone with a tape applied Condemned, though, it was way too much free information that made Sadako kind of an autopilot killer.

I'm also reasonably sure her Iri Tape was problematic in that version too, but I may be misremembering there.

The thing about her counterplay before is that it had back-and-forth. They could protect themselves from your mobility + the Condemned it brought, but left themselves vulnerable if you ambushed them. They could be safer from being ambushed, but left themselves vulnerable to the mobility + Condemned.

I will say that changing her Condemned from global to just in proximity to an active TV was basically the single good thing about her latest rework, though, so it's the one major thing I'd keep if she ever did get reverted.

the killer lacks ability apply pressure on the team. One of aspect that global condemn did is made all survivors do a secondary objective because of passive on condemn build-up. This gave Sadako map presence and map pressure. that is why slugging wasn't needed in V2.

In Version 1, Sadako lack ability to have map presence and map pressure because of local televisions. This was ok because the killer would slug players. Slugged survivors cannot do generators thus slowing the game down. This version lacks global condemn build-up in regular sized maps and Slug pressure. It has neither of map pressure tools for killer to succeed.

I agree.

there was no attempts to weaken the 1st reworked version. as result, saying something is difficult to balance with 0 attempt to balance it is invalid complaint.

I do think it is unfair to say an add-on is trash without at least giving it a solid chance.

if someone runs around and just turns off TV after TV …, there is basically nothing I can do against it.

Again many repeat this line of thinking when saying it is a bad add-on. While it is certainly not ideal as the debuff adds an extra 14 seconds, you will find that many times survivors never take advantage of this. The reality is that this fear is way overblown. The average survivor does not know all of Onryo's add-ons, and the ones they do know tend to be the popular ones use to help her condemn power.

In my experience the average survivor will not grab tapes unless they have some condemn, or they really don't want you to teleport out of a TV. I was doing the Iri-tape - Ring Drawing condemn challenge the other day and even when I wanted survivors to grab tapes with Iri-tape, more often than not they just refused to do so even if it was the best tactical decision. In general survivors will want to do gens. They will grab a tape the first time but once they realize they are not getting any condemn, they tend to ignore it.

Now when a survivor does go from TV to TV turning them off, it is a problem that you need to shutdown quickly. Given the nature of Iri-tape, if you are paying attention they will only get a few TVs off before you realize what they are doing, and you will know which TVs due to the lack of an aura. This means it is relatively easy to find them and cut them off in order to put a stop to it. Unless basically the whole team is doing this, which I have not had happen yet as survivors would rather work gens, you don't have to worry much.

If you do try the add-on, it is important to keep the survivors too busy to bother with tapes. Keeping up pressure is important and I think you have to play hit an run with the add-on since such a playstyle synergizes well with it. If they try to rush gens while injured, you should be able to snowball. If survivors are too busy trying to make gen progress, do heals or maybe even totems, then they won't bother with doing the hard counter of going from TV to TV. I recommend Nurses Calling as it allows you to interrupt resets in order to keep up the pressure which is probably the biggest threat.

It allowed you to be immediately chase someone and to immediately switch targets, which basically allowed you to chase multiple people at the same time.

I mean hillbilly could already do that with his chainsaw back before he rework and had the overheat mechanic. That did not make him a good killer. Mindlessly pressuring survivor is not time efficient for the killer if the killer does not get decisive downs. Survivor will hop on generators back fairely quickly. Organization is faster for SWF, slightly slower for soloq as dispersion effect is stronger in soloq.

The same way you wish there were attempts to save the second version I feel about the first version. They just scrapped it, but all they needed to do were the buffs they gave her until today without the actual reworked parts.

Well they did not really scrap the kit. rather they were solving problems in original kit design. Here list of 3 problems in my opinion that they were tackling that lead to version 2 Sadako.

1. Tapes are not worth picking up, Picking up the tape created what I will call as "Pig Head-trap problem". The pig head-trap problem is that killer can proxy camp survivors in order to build-up a mori. This problem was compounded by problem #2.
2. Condemn build-up was very slow in version 1. The local condemn televisions promoted staying in 1 area and the map that were bigger with larger gen spread made it less efficient to spread condemn. The absolute strongest form of condemn build-up survivors picking up a tape but due to how the penalty of picking up the tape created Pig head-trap problem. Survivor did not want to pick up a tape. In order for to enforce survivors to pick up a tape, the most optimal way to spread condemn was to have mutiple survivors bunch up with each other. This lead to a particular strategy being effective, one in which survivors dislike playing vs.
3. That strategy is slugging. This strategy revolves around grouping survivor by downing teammates and since a teammate required one player to pick another survivor up, this meant that within 16 meter television, you build up 2x amount of condemn from a single teleport. Not only that, an add-on called Ring Drawing would spread condemn every time the survivor completes any healing action. Picking up survivors from dying state to injured counted as completing a healing action. So now we're at 2.5x condemn build-up that one single teleport would acquire in condemn. survivor hated this strategy very much so and this created an opportunity for BVHR to change these complaints about Sadako's Kit.

So their solution was Sadako version 2. Not to go through ALL changes, I will just highlight how they solved the above 3 problems with the following 3 solutions.

1. Tapes no longer granted condemn build-up. Instead they protected the user from condemn build-up. This eliminated the "Pig head-trap problem". Survivor instead would take 2 condemn stacks upon being hit by Sadako curse M1 attack breaking the tape.
2. Television condemn build-up was changed from 1 to 0.75. Television condemn build-up was made global addressing slow condemn build-up
3. Ring drawing no longer spread condemn upon completing any healing action. instead condition was changed to only spread 1 condemn stack upon completing a healing action from injured to healthy.

These changes promoted more healthy gameplay interaction with the killer power. Sadako would no longer rely on cheese tactics with tapes however tapes were still part of his interest to keep them off survivors hand by winning chases. Condemn being global meant that Sadako was effective in all maps, not just midwich and Gideon. Ring drawing was made weaker to not reward heavy slug play-styles but still provide a beneficial effect to the killer that selected this add-on.

By no means was rework flawless. it still had some rough edges. some rough edges in my opinion were following:

1. Sadako received 10 second cooldown on teleporting. This limited her teleport mobility slightly. It wasn't huge deal however some player took great issue in this change.
2. Survivors were extremely upset in playing against Sadako. They found her kit frustrating and oppressive with the ability to instant kill a survivor with 0 hooks.
3. In order to protected against condemn mechanic of Sadako, survivor had to keep hold of a tape. When Sadako would hit the tape off their hand, they would be tasked to find another television. Survivor had no information or aura where televisions were located. Further more, Sadako could turn off 5/8 televisions by constantly teleportation to them further limiting survivors options of picking up a tape.

Instead of BVHR polishing rough edges of 2.0 Sadako, we get this 3.0 version of Sadako. So obviously speaking, they nerf the heck out of condemn by making TV local from global due Survivor Complaint #2 and the tapes. They also granted survivor 16 meters of aura reading on all television, halve the insert time of the tapes and remove completely remove ring drawing add-on. So what we get is 1.0 Sadako with none of strength of original Sadako because they were allegedly too oppressive and unfun.

So to answer your question after this long explanation, No, the 1.0 had many issues and wasn't easily fixable because of the extend of what they were trying to change/solve. to this day, they still dislike/disapprove of slugging killer, just look twin rework so in that sense. nothing changed. Sadako in original iteration is part of these slugging killers, slugging mori killer to be exact and as such, she remains bad from condemn power perceptive.

if you needed to find someone, you could check all gens very fast. From my survivor perspective this part was far more engaging than it was in version 2 and is v3.

I am not entirely sure what your talking about because it already exists in V3.

they could have just decreased the tape insertion speed to 1,5s.

They already did decrease tape insertion time. It is bigger then 1.5. They decreased it to 1 second.

If she camped the TV you could simply stay condemned until you see a opportunity.

When your fully condemned, Sadako is granted Killer instinct.

If she chased you the condemned didn’t fill up via passive condemned and it‘s not like the ability automatically kills you like with pig.

If your fully condemned, the passive build-up doesn't matter. Your going to be chased until you die.

I never played her for the condemned back then, so I didn‘t really see that as an issue, but it took more skill and was a cooler mechanic that you could work for

BVHR was changing the killer for player that were min-maxing her ability. There shouldn't be much of difference between V1 and V3 If you weren't using the mechanic in the first place.

I don‘t see slugging (except of bleeding out while everyone is downed and watching them) as an issue. There are so many perks, that work against it and even without them, it‘s incredibly risky. Slugging can either win you the match or cost you the match. In my opinion this is balanced. But changing ring drawing to no longer work on slugged survivors like they did, would have solved this too.

BVHR did see this as issue therefore decided to change it.

1.I found the old system fairer, because you couldn‘t just focus one person after another out by distroying their tape multiple times, which they were forced to grab immediately again.

This is what i am talking about with whole Pig head-trap problem. Sadako tunneling condemn was as much of a problem in original version as it was in V2. They didn't change the tunneling problem, they changed how you tunnel condemn. How you tunneled in v1 was slugging people and teleporting onto survivor that just healed off the floor and proxy camping tape holders by interrupting the tape insertion television mechanic. in V2, Tunneling occurred by breaking the tape multiple times onto one survivor and denying the ability for player that lost tape from picking up another tape. Both versions Involved funneling Condemn onto one person through different methods.

.I also started to slug every game since mobility wasn‘t viable/ available anymore in v2

The mobility was available VERY frequently. I did not feel like my mobility was impacted at all. The player the change affected were player that played character badly.

I would not say we got v1 back, because this version is closer to v2 Sadako than to v1 Sadako.

This version is closer V1 without any of the condemn strengths of V1.

Disagree there were enough ways to fix her:

No there weren't. BVHR simply does not agree with her slugging design and does not like V2 design. that is all there is to it. I have accepted this and moved on.