Weave Attunement + Franklin's Demise = 0 Fun

As someone who plays both survivor and killer equally I can see the issues on both sides. Yes survivors can either not bring items or simply move them to the corner of the map. The issue with that argument is solo queues or new player experiences. If you do not have the communication to tell each other where items are on the map then the combo can be very powerful. And for new players they are not going to understand that their aura is being revealed because the only way they will know is by the little debuff at the bottom of the screen. Overall I believe "just don't bring items" is a lazy argument in this instance. I doubt most survivors would say "don't like people getting unhooked then just slug." As for killers the statement it takes 2 perk slots is also slightly invalid. Unless you are running 4 slowdowns or 4 aura reading, most builds consist of 1-2 main perks and 1-3 support perks to help your build. You can run 2 slowdowns with this combo and still get great value out of it due to survivors losing their item and getting info from it. So realistically it would be 3 slowdowns and 1 aura reading. The slowdown being moving items and forcing survivors to lose medkits and/or toolboxes. I don't think it is the combo entirely that is the issue but instead the design of Weave on it's own. Even by itself it can still be good for aura reading though admittedly not as strong. So I believe changing how Weave works should be nerfed. Obviously the range is insane so either a range nerf or possibly have franklins work the way it used to. Instead of the item just sitting there depleted, have it disappear once at 0 charges.

The issue I stated with solo queue is the communication on knowing where the dropped items are. Not every player is going to know what to do. And since the range is HUGE it can effect most survivors who are not on coms. They might find it difficult to pinpoint where the dropped item is to then move to somewhere else on the map. That is why I say if there was to be a nerf they should decrease the range or at the very least revert Franklin's back to it's original state.

I saw a Sable yesterday get hit by Franklin's + Weave with full max charges Commodius, I didn't see her item drop, but she ran away with the killer in toe, I only noticed when I saw the Weave Attunement mark as I ran up to the gen.

I grabbed her Commodius, dumped all of it immediately into the gen, but ready to run if I saw Sable's chase marker stop wiggling, picked it up after it was spent then threw it in the corner.

We got a 7-hook, 4-man escape. Was quite a fun and close game that could have easily snowballed into a 2k, or maybe even a 3k, but my Borrowed Tiem came in clutch 😁

Glad to see other killers can understand how problematic the range/constant aura read can be :)

The fact other killers can see the issue with the perk but you cannot provide real feedback and instead insult others :(

This perk combo isn't actually all that unbalanced overall when you look back on stuff like Overbrine and such and, unlike popular beliefs, it DOES have at least 2 counters to it that the survivors can do against it which is either just simply put your item in a part of the map that has a good chance of nobody ever going to like a corner of the map or just use Distortion like everyone did before this combo existed until we see what changes Distortion is gonna be receiving. One counter doesn't need a perk and the other counter does so it's two decently reasonable methods.

Just like DH … or DS … or UB … or a Flashlight from a weird angle. Strangely enough not Head On or Blastmine, this two perks, while doing essentially the same, need more setup and you feel like actually stepping into a trap instead of just getting hit by an unavoidable BS.

I am not making a 1:1 comparison (besides the point that I must have missed the Head On, Blastmine and Unbreakable nerfs), it was just a reminder that stuff for both sides exist that instantly makes you want to hate the game. I am only a 1/3 survivor player, so I don't get any attachment to my items, but I guess that Franklin can really throw a wrench into your game plan, though losing an item is IMHO not comperable to losing all pressure or a chase being extended by another 30+s due to the power of E ^_- Nothing ever sucked as much fun out of the game as DH, with the possible exeption of MFT.

BTW, Franklin GOT nerfed2 times in recent history. For most of its existence a dropped item was on a timer and when the timer expired, the item would get completely consumed by The Entity. Survivor hated this a lot, because it circumvented white wards completely. When limited items got introduced this got changed to charges being lost constantly and limited items being just slapped out of survivors hands, without them being consumed.

Then later, limited items even got placed in the second hand, where they were safe from any slapping. Also, I think it was during the change that brought back the losing of charges, items no longer disappear when they lose all charges.

Thanks for this info dumb, that clears up a lot. And yeah, Franklin is one of this perks that SEEMS strong and really annoying, but its actually not very strong. Its a buff vector for Weave Attunement, and once that is nerfed, Franklins will slink back into mediocracy.

I agree with you but the only issue I have with Blast Mine, or had, was that it lasted too long and the Killer was unfairly punished for doing their objective of simply kicking. It made kicking gens a total liability in games and now with its smaller timer with less gen progression needed, it doesn't have that issue. I would have been fine with it as is though, if it simply showed the mine on the generator or gave the Killer SOME tell so they could avoid the mine and it really WOULD be like stepping into a trap, instead of a tool used to a) annoy the Killer, b) do blind challenges, c) make the Killer second-guess doing basic tasks like kicking generators at all.

Oh well, you are also technically right, but common, you really call that change to UB a nerf? Technically yes, its taking away from its utility, but from a practical standpoints that is bending over backwards to find something. Same with Head On and the idle crows: sure, you could use it "tactically" to annoy the killer and then jump in their face, and that was now taken away, but that is such a niche case, and I would think that anyone can agree that getting idle crows is not an unfair condition for that perk to stop working.

The Blastmine change, I actually forgot about, and thats one I felt severely, as I always was an avid Blastmine user. Yeah, the first change was really uncalled for, with it disappearing after just a short time, that was very frustrating. But right now, with the 3min timer, it is in a very good spot: you can't just mindlessly put it on the gen you are working on for the off-chance that the killer comes in for a last second kick, and not use its applycation for the next gen, but you also don't lose it easily to a killer being in a chase.

When I'm playing surv- I think it's a whole lot more fun than pain res, grim embrace, pop, etc… just drop your item at the start of the match and you'll immediately know if the killer is running it or not. If they are, worst case scenario you're the first chase- which getting chased is the only fun interaction as survivor imo - so more chase for me after I drop my item in the corner of the map lol.

Personally yes I consider it a nerf because I like when perks and items have unique interactions with killer powers. Some of it is thematic (light harming void-walkers like wraith and nurse) or a throwback to things we saw in the film (like Adrenaline and UB waking you up against Freddy). But I can understand that they may seem more like QoL than true nerfs to most people

I only use this combo against flashlight squads. it's perfectly fine as is. Bring flashlights at your own peril.

Franklin's was also nerfed to not drop Killer related items around the time Singularity was released which meant Pinhead/Wesker/Nemesis couldn't go around hitting said items off Survivors' hands. The perk is literally a shadow of its former self.

I feel like a lot of the arguing for Weave Attunement comes down to one simple issue that needs resolving: Most items are fine, they are there to enhance play.

The real reason you would ever run an anti-item build? Toolboxes. It's toolboxes. They're hands down the strongest item in the game… and maybe too strong at that, or rather one specific one is. Commodious, and every iteration on Commodious such as the event toolboxes.

It made Hoarder + Franklins a "meme" build for Nemesis and Wesker though, but build variety is a different issue entirely.

Hitting a healthy Survivor holding the box with old Franklins gave Pinhead the choice of continuing the chase and picking up the box later or picking up the box first for immediate 1v4 pressure via chain hunt. Both are equally viable I feel

I will just leave this here.

what great thanksgiving the day Franklins came, it was a shadow drop to me… didn't know it was coming. pretty sure it was a thanksgiving. 2017 maybe 18, idk. Franklins was a main perk for many matches.