Why do people believe bloodlust should be removed?

If I can find it again, I'll link it

Only if the survivor play poorly as well, as any pallet the killer is forced to break, removes the bloodlust effect.

The killer refusing to break a pallet has nothing to do with survivor gameplay. If a survivor is at a simple car loop, it feels bad being caught because the killer was stubborn. Loops that can be played by both sides become increasingly unsafe depending solely off killer stubbornness until they're BL3.

Yes, which are called such because someone like Freddy who can't hit over a pallet has to break them. Even at BL37, that pallet is getting kicked. That's not a reason for BL spoiling every other pallet that is perfectly playable. A Killer BLing the 2 car pallets outside the preschool shouldn't be a thing.

You can't even BUILD BL at those pallets since it would involve chasing a survivor around them.

Huh, thats a strange take. Breaking a pallet or doing anything that advances your game as a killer specifically CHANCELS bloodlust. If you want to keep bloodlusting to the higher tiers, you HAVE to ring around the rosie without breaking the pallet that would open up said loop.

Bloodlust was necessary back in the day as a band-aid against bad map design. Maps were generally larger and much safer for survivors, for example. Many had one or more infinite loops. Nowadays, maps are definitely to the point that killers do not need Bloodlust to catch survivors. It does fill a function of limiting the longest chases, which makes misplays as killer less costly. This is probably a good thing. However, I think Bloodlust I would be more than sufficient in today's DBD.

But the point is that it breaks bloodlust, so they are actually a strong argument.

People can move from loop to loop, you know? - And even from a loop to a god pallet

Bloodlust is pretty fine as is and serves its purpose.

Bloodlust 1 exists to help give you a leg up when a chase drags on.

Bloodlust 2 exists if you're committing to a losing chase.

Bloodlust 3 exists if you've already lost the chase.

I think it's the mindset that people need to understand, if a killer if getting to Bloodlust 3 to down you then you've already won the chase. It isn't about outrunning the killer, it's about how much time you buy your team and in that scenario you've bought your team A LOT of time. Also, given that a lot of killers these days rely on their powers to help in chase it's very rare that you'll see anything like BL2 or BL3 so you don't need to worry about that.

And as soon as said God pallet is thrown, you either break it or the chase ends. There's no time in that scenario where bloodlust gets built. That's why mentioning God pallets as a reason for bloodlust makes 0 sense. You can't build bloodlust after a godpallet is thrown.

So we have the opinion that BL2 and BL3 should not exist because they for some reason are unfair to survivors who can keep looping / outrunning killer with BL1 ( which if and when happens means BL1 is not enough to catch up, thus by logic BL1 is useless ) and at the same time there's an opinion that BL2 and BL3 only reward bad play, despite the fact that if BL2 or BL3 was reached then it's most likely because BL1 was not enough ( again ).

In other words BL2 and BL3 are the ''fix'' for cases where BL1 does not work. Some people should really decide what they want - BL1 to be so effective that BL2 and BL3 will no longer need to exist or things stay as they are, because apparently BL1 in many cases may not be enough. If you ask when killer may need BL2 or BL3, the most obvious answer is when map RNG decides to make BL1 insufficient.

It may come as revelation to some players, but sometimes tile generation makes certain things a bit too unfair to deal with. Unless a static map system is introduced, this ''archaic band-aid fix'' is still required.

I think it's the mindset that people need to understand, if a killer if getting to Bloodlust 3 to down you then you've already won the chase.

I don't want the bloodlust system to change for very different reasons than what are being discussed, but I feel like there would be howls of outrage if a mechanic was introduced where if a killer got multiple downs in quick succession, all survivors got an boost where they did gens and healing quicker. There's be a ton of 'why am I being penalized for playing well?' posts even when it was pointed out 'you're already winning'.

Actually, we kind of dealt with that during the 8 gen kick change already.

i think bloodlust 1 and 2 shouldn't exist. bloodlust 3 should exist but it should be like fixed amount of time it activates. for example if you didn't hit a survivor for 60 seconds, you get 25% haste bonus. if certain killer are too weak without bloodlust 1, they could buff their base m/s very slightly. like 118% m/s. it is already exists for hag waterlogged shoe, I cannot see harm in other killers acquiring that.

It should only exist on M1 killers with no significant power. No one should need bloodlust to hit someone on killers like Blight, Hillbilly, etc. The higher tiers could be removed altogether.

no i am proposing 60 seconds flat. you don't need to be in the chase for this timer to tick. if you don't hit anyone within 60 seconds. you get bloodlust. bloodlust is 25% haste.

I don't really see that being practical in any way for the killer.

The point is that bloodlust is not suppose to be practical. it is suppose to be impractical and occur very rarely. Like it should occur only if there are infinities or busted setups that spawn such as….. Shack window facing a jungle gym window or 2 T-L walls facing each other which at this point, if the mechanic is triggering, we should be asking whether that setup/loop is balanced or not.

Strangely enough, i think the mechanic would occur very often in dbd survivor vs killer 1vs1's.

I think it’s fine

I dont think i understand your argument?

Chase is going on, killer gets bloodlust after 15 / 25 / 35 seconds, but in reality it takes longer to get, as often when the survivor breaks vision the chase resets.
And Bloodlust resets after the killer is forced to break a pallet, so in an optimal scenaio it takes the killer 35 seconds to get bloodlust again. so thats more than 70 seconds of chase to get bloodlust tier 3 twice. But thats on paper, in reality it takes longer.

On top of that there are often chases where the game takes forever to even register it as a chase, so thats extra time added to the bloodlust chase timer.

Further more, a lot of survivors use "sprint perks" aswell, should they go aswell then?? or is it only unfair when the killers have it??

Not really. Maps are shrinking and tiles are redesigned to be much weaker. Those are the equalizers. You can’t have bloodlust but also small maps but also weak filler tiles. Survivors get to have fun too.

Yes, if the killer had bloodlust... they'd lose it. Bloodlust does not help on God pallets. This is why bringing up godpallets as the reason we need bloodlust makes 0 sense. No amount of bloodlust would help you get a hit once any of these pallets are used.

Bloodlust was meant to counter overly strong WINDOW loops, which have mostly been eliminated at this point. Even THEN though, BL1 could accomplish that. A killer hitting BL3 is just someone who is getting outplayed and is too stubborn to kick the pallet. Not talking about God pallets here because... no one is looping these once they're tossed.

I never claimed that BL was a help on god pallets, you are turning my argument around..

God pallets counter BL, thats a whole other thing

And still there are infinite loops in the game where slow moving killers cant catch up, Autohaven Wreckers main building is a good example, and this is with out any pallets

Again, you are turning my arguments around..

I did not use that as an argument to WHY BL should exist, i only said that "Good pallets counters BL" while i still think BL is needed for the game.

An argument to WHY i think BL should exist, was in the post you just quoted

And still there are infinite loops in the game where slow moving killers cant catch up, Autohaven Wreckers main building is a good example

So you brought up god pallets for 0 reason when asked why BL should exist... thanks... Having a pallet to reset BL does NOT mean BL should exist to begin with.

Strong windows ARE a legit reason for BL, but those have been continuously altered by adding things like doorways directly next to windows. There's only a handful of killers who's power wouldn't help them get a hit on just about every existing window loop in the game, and most of THOSE are because their power is already applied to get a down rather than just a hit (Myers, Ghostface, Plague, Legion). Every other killer would be actively using their power, therefore not gaining bloodlust. What's that leave... Pig? Maybe just tie bloodlust to Pig and remove it from every other killer.

I welcome you to screenshot a windows loop that is unplayable without bloodlust. You mentioned Autohaven, but that's a whole realm and not a map. I don't know what building you're refering to.

Yes... you said "God pallets exist :)" when the topic of the thread is "Should bloodlust be removed". Are you saying you bringing up god pallets was completely random and had nothing to do with the topic?