New mori last survivor without mori sucks.

In that situation it's a lost game for you nothing you can do either die on hook or by mori. This version is just the yellow mori basekit the other version were far worse and DID encourage slugging for that 4K. This version the killer gets nothing other than just a mori animation.

Surly by now people can see that slugging is just part of the game and not "toxic" like most survivors make out. I think it's clear the Devs decision to bring in the mori system shows that slugging isn't going anywhere. Some might say it's "unhealthy" but clearly is part of the game so hopefully people will start acknowledging it for what it is... Just a playstyle/tactic and stop blaming killers for doing it accusing them of being toxic.

I don't think the finisher mori is the problem. Slugging is the problem. All they need to do is make is so when a survivor is self healed to 99% then they can crawl and continue to heal for 30-45 seconds at which time a survivor is able to heal themselves back to injured state. Problem solved.

I think at some point something like Basekit Unbreakable (obviously not Unbreakable as the Perk, but a way to pick yourself up after meeting some conditions) needs to be implemented. Because slugging just to waste the time of others is way too much currently and at this point it is not a "strategy" anymore when a Killer decides to slug the whole team at 5 Gens. Because a Killer does not need pressure at this point or at least they have enough pressure after 3 people are slugged to start hooking and actually play the game.

Let alone that letting Survivors bleed out for 4 minutes is not needed anymore. Killers said that this can happen when a Hook was used, now we have Hooks which respawn and it still happens.

And I guess people who play like this and do this to ruin it for the other side, will be responsible for something like Basekit Unbreakable.

When it comes to slugging for the 4K, I always had the opinion that a Hatch Escape should count as a Kill for the Killer. If the Survivor escapes via Hatch, they survive, get the BPs and Emblems, but the Killer should also get their BPs and Emblems like if they killed the last Survivor. Because in the end, a Killer does not lose anything when a Survivor escapes via Hatch, they clearly won the game and IMO it would reduce the amount of slugging for the 4K.

However, as of late I think that most slugging for the 4K is actually done for the ego. Where my solution would not do anything.

Are you saying that killers should have something in their basekit to help them slug? Because I think there is a valid argument that currently survivors don't have a great counter to slugging basekit.

There was a base kit counter trial years ago, survivors could get up from dying state and it was abused so much it was removed. Slugging is no different than being hooked, both have a timer except slugs have more time. There is no basekit to get off the hook unless face camped so why is there so much talk about base kit counter to slugging where survivors can get back up willy nilly. Yes it's boring being slugged but so is being on the hook boring, can't even move on the hook. If anything slug timer should be reduced to faster bleed out if the 4min is too long for survivors. Certainly shouldn't be base kit counter.

The update just came out, people just wanna see the new free mori in action. It'll probably get better.

But there already is something in place, unbreakable perk... Killers have to use up a perk slot to counter the constant flashlight and flash bangs (no real basekit counter for them unless the killer is faceing the wall, which in many maps isn't an option). With the speed that gens fly killers are pretty much forced to use at least one regres perk to stand a chance. I don't see an issue with survivors having to use up a perk slot to counter slugging with unbreakable. They still have 3 other slots to aid them in chases so they don't get downed to begin with which would prevent being slugged.

If that's basekit then basekit to counter slugging is don't get caught. In an open map kissing the wall isn't an option because it's all open. Chasing people off means leaving the survivor in the ground (slugging) which is what survivors find boring and when breaking pallets or vaulting there is no option to look away. Just have to eat the flashlight every time. Like I said no real basekit to counter it, there is only lightborn. So if killers have to use lightborn to counter something that can't be countered otherwise then survivors can bring unbreakable as for as I'm concerned

As somebody who has rarely experienced true "slugging" in the past, that wasn't without reason (it was very rare for me), slugging seems to have become much more frequent since the Mori change. Any trial I made the last 2 (with the exception of one trial) where I died, the Killer has slugged the 3rd and spent ages finding the 4th, or it's been a game of slug tag.

I (ignorantly) assumed Cypress Mori basekit would just give options for the Killer at the end, and they'd play as normal. From my experience the game has become just a time-wasting experience as a Killer goes off searching, and the final survivor ends up hiding, and it's just so dull it's unbelieveable.

I genuinely believed that Moris should stay as they were, but if they had to change anything, Cypress basekit was the way to go. That was a mistake. The devs need to bring the Offering back and remove the basekit, because from a survivor perspective this is unhealthy.

I never anticipated slugging-whining threads changing to target the new Mori basekit, but it actually makes a lot of sense when I see it. It's the perfect scapegoat.

People were making near-daily threads about slugging before, now the Mori-basekit is there to point fingers at, and frankly, that's not fair to the Mori.

People slugged for 4K before, and the ability to finish the last one really wouldn't change anything for these people (including myself). If I feel like sweating for a 4K, I'll slug you, because it's the absolutely most logical move, due to the unreliable nature of hatch RNG. If I have worked hard to kill everybody else, I am definitely not giving you a chance to escape. Mori or no Mori, doesn't change that.

I often let people go, but let's keep in mind, that's not how the game is supposed to be played. The Killer is supposed to be merciless. You aren't supposed to whine this much about being killed as part of playing the role of "Victim" in a video game about Victims and Killers.

the past day

It's a single day, not even 24 hours (at least in EU, it went live only 19 hours ago). You should give it more time, before making the conclusion that it's because of the Mori, and not just you being unfortunate for a day.

Perks are part of the game, they are there to aid the killer, to aid the survivor. Tactical choice of perks to counter likely strategies used by the opponent is part of the skill of the playing the game. Go into a match unprepared and it will be tough. Like I said, flashlights, flash bangs no base kit counter, no choice to take being blinded after every pallet break, every vault, every pick up attempt in an open area. No basekit for countering gen rushing, forced to use regress perks.

If basekit unbreakable is implementated to counter slugging then killers should get basekit counter to flashlight and regres basekit. Based on your explanation, killers shouldn't be forced to run perks as a counter to something they can't do anything against.

Another basekit counter to being slugged is your team. It is 4 v 1 game after all so the 4 should work together... If they don't then that's down to the team, killers shouldn't be punished by making it harder for them because the team can't work together.

I dont see how a basekit end mori could do anythinf to make the game worse. The killers always slugged the last 2 for 4k. If the killer didnt slug the last 2 for the 4k its only because they kinda care about giving the last survivor a chance instead of being seen as "another one of those killers". You wouldnt see slugging any more often than it alredy has been. If they want a 4k badly they will always slug, if they dont they hook 3rd and look for you. Ive played several killer rounds where i just hook 3rd and found hatch, moried the person trying to get out the gate because at the end of the day thats just what ur supposed to do. And bhvr wants to incentivise killing survivors instead of farming or letting them go because its how the game was designed. So being able to mori wont make someone more likely to go "i should slug them" if they dont alredy play like that

And theres nothing wrong with that. If they ever remove hook suicides people will complain they lost their 4% chance to unhook and completely survive lol

At most you have a 1% chance of wiggling out and finding a hatch before going down again. Especially since they now repair hooks, and perks never saved anyone wiggling solo unless they were on a top floor exploit which they now added hooks on all upper floors.